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 Kirasu wrote:
Time is pretty meaningless in 40k as most of the races in the universe are functionally immortal (Bit of a problem, GW?)

Marines, Eldar, Orks, Necrons, Nids and Demons just exist until they are killed.

Necrons and Daemons are functionally immortal. Orks probably are, but we lack any sort of evidence one way or the other.

Eldar live for between 1000 and 2000 years unless you're a powerful psyker like Eldrad, in which case the Horus Heresy will sandwich you into a story from 10k years ago because they wanted a known Eldar character.

Marines we reckon are anything between 400 and ~1200 for a natural lifespan. It's specifically stated that the Blood Angels are known for a long lifespan, which sort of rules out Marines being functionally immortal, and the oldest known Marine outside of a Dread is Dante at ~1100.

I'd doubt individual Tyranids are functionally immortal, although that's just a hunch. It would take resources to make them immortal. Resources that would be better placed just churning out more Gaunts which only life for maximum as long as it takes to consume a world. There might be benefit in some advanced vanguard organisms being immortal, but not for your run-of-the-mill gribblies.

 angelofvengeance wrote:


If a psyker looks at them, the witch sight reveals their souls to be some sort of terrifying creature (a la Dorian Grey).

Now that I love the idea of

Depending on how the Dark Eldar soul-siphoning thing works, it's either that their existing souls become twisted and warped...or that as their souls are drained away they replace it with the fragments of soul from their victims resulting in some sort of chimaeric soul-amalgam of all their victims.

Cool!

Chaos Marines are extremely long lived. Multiple novels mention them remembering the last 10,000 years and all the details in between.

 nintura wrote:
Chaos Marines are extremely long lived. Multiple novels mention them remembering the last 10,000 years and all the details in between.

I don't think it's a matter of them being old (though I don't doubt a lot of them genuinely ARE old). Time has no meaning in the Warp. What could be a year in real space, might be 500yrs in warp space.

Again, you didnt read Multiple books such as Storm of Iron talk about how some of the captains remember the entire 10,000 years. In detail.

Can't wait for story leaks. I know this is a ways off but still interested.

 nintura wrote:
Again, you didnt read Multiple books such as Storm of Iron talk about how some of the captains remember the entire 10,000 years. In detail.

Which doesn't refute what he was saying. They can experience 10K years but only age a year. The warp is a strange place filled with Draigos and dust.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Again, you didnt read Multiple books such as Storm of Iron talk about how some of the captains remember the entire 10,000 years. In detail.

Which doesn't refute what he was saying. They can experience 10K years but only age a year. The warp is a strange place filled with Draigos and dust.

This.

What's weirder is that there's no reason for the warp to affect time and the aging process for each individual as a whole.

Some Chaos marines may have bits of them that are 10 uears old, and other bits that are 150.

The warp's weird...

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Again, you didnt read Multiple books such as Storm of Iron talk about how some of the captains remember the entire 10,000 years. In detail.

Which doesn't refute what he was saying. They can experience 10K years but only age a year. The warp is a strange place filled with Draigos and dust.

This.

What's weirder is that there's no reason for the warp to affect time and the aging process for each individual as a whole.

Some Chaos marines may have bits of them that are 10 uears old, and other bits that are 150.

The warp's weird...

Poor Saggadon irritates his mates whenever he dawns his robes on the command deck, dragging those 10K year old marbles he has. Tragic really that was the one spot the warp decided to age in real time

This might be weirdly desperate but when will release copies be issued (so we can get a look at Ynnari rules?)

Will it be this weekend with the Pre-Orders?

I feel a KDK inspired assault-focused foot alldar army could be cool but it could also be terrible and I just need to know.

 nintura wrote:
Again, you didnt read Multiple books such as Storm of Iron talk about how some of the captains remember the entire 10,000 years. In detail.

Yes and you apparently didn't read about Iron Warriors Warsmith Dantioch who was a loyalist astartes who was affected by a Hrud weapon field that aged him thousands of years in seconds and turned almost instantly into an old infirm man who needed to be put into a dreadnought to survive. BL fluff is variable from book to book and author to author so there is no need to be snotty when pointing out one example of it.

 warboss wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Again, you didnt read Multiple books such as Storm of Iron talk about how some of the captains remember the entire 10,000 years. In detail.

Yes and you apparently didn't read about Iron Warriors Warsmith Dantioch who was a loyalist astartes who was affected by a Hrud weapon field that aged him thousands of years in seconds and turned almost instantly into an old infirm man who needed to be put into a dreadnought to survive. BL fluff is variable from book to book and author to author so there is no need to be snotty when pointing out one example of it.

Its the reason why I hate when people speculate from BL novels and lore rather then sticking to GW fluff. Much of the fluff from BL is ignored by the codex writers.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

I'd doubt individual Tyranids are functionally immortal, although that's just a hunch. It would take resources to make them immortal. Resources that would be better placed just churning out more Gaunts which only life for maximum as long as it takes to consume a world. There might be benefit in some advanced vanguard organisms being immortal, but not for your run-of-the-mill gribblies.

They aren't immortal at least in the sense that if they lose invasion they are killed, if they win they get eaten and returned to biomass to be generated new(evolved to better version likely) tyranids for the next invasion.

Sucks to be a tyranid Even if you win you are going to be killed

 Red Corsair wrote:

Its the reason why I hate when people speculate from BL novels and lore rather then sticking to GW fluff. Much of the fluff from BL is ignored by the codex writers.

Yeah I hold it as a sort of meta-headcanon that all BL books are narrated to you by a steaming-drunk guy who stumbles up to you at a bar. Might be true, might be b*llocks. No way to tell

'Ya shee, at tha end da Shalamander Ssshaplain jumpsh out of da atmoshfeer and cutsh the cruisher in half wiv iz axsh'

'Yes raving drunkard. That makes absolute sense. Can you please go and talk to someone else now, your stench is curdling my pint'

tneva82 wrote:
They aren't immortal at least in the sense that if they lose invasion they are killed, if they win they get eaten and returned to biomass to be generated new(evolved to better version likely) tyranids for the next invasion.

Sucks to be a tyranid Even if you win you are going to be killed

Yep definitely sucks to be a Tyranid. Probably slightly more than not being a Tyranid even!

That's why I don't think that they're biologically immortal. What would be the point if most of your organisms only really last a year or two max? It'd be a waste of resources, and if there's anything the Tyranids hate it's waste...

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
That's why I don't think that they're biologically immortal. What would be the point if most of your organisms only really last a year or two max? It'd be a waste of resources, and if there's anything the Tyranids hate it's waste...

Good point. Hard to imagine when they would need be to be biologically immortal. Presumably hive mind would know when they would be close to dying out of old age so could just consume it and create new one thus avoiding the one drawback of not being immortal would have for tyranids. Suddenly dying out of old age in middle of combat Unlikely any tyranid would be non-stop fighting like that for long enough so kinda small drawback...

/tg
next month more gathering storm

The hive ships might be immortal, at least the big ones.

tneva82 wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
That's why I don't think that they're biologically immortal. What would be the point if most of your organisms only really last a year or two max? It'd be a waste of resources, and if there's anything the Tyranids hate it's waste...

Good point. Hard to imagine when they would need be to be biologically immortal. Presumably hive mind would know when they would be close to dying out of old age so could just consume it and create new one thus avoiding the one drawback of not being immortal would have for tyranids. Suddenly dying out of old age in middle of combat Unlikely any tyranid would be non-stop fighting like that for long enough so kinda small drawback...

Genestealers appear to be functionally immortal, going on Cults.

If a Brood make planetfall, only the first to infect grows into a Patriarch. The others? They're typically still around generations later when the Cult rises up.

But it's dangerous to draw paralells between 'Stealers and other Tyranid Organisms. They're all so highly evolved, what stands true for one by no means applies to the others!

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/01/probably-some-eldars-birthday-expert-states/

so Biel Tan possibly was destroyed to kick start Ynead?

Eldar coming out everywhere doesn't mean much because of warp gates.

and of cause it was Biel Tan - their rune means "Rebirth of Ancient Days"

Biel Tan is fractured - not destroyed.

I kinda wish the Ynnari or whatever were in Biel-Tann colors. It would make sense since Ynnead first formed there.

Now if I get Visarch, I want to paint him in Biel-Tann colors. That or Ulthwe. Can't decide.

guru wrote:
/tg
next month more gathering storm

Well of course, it'll be at least 4 months as they are just doing End Times 40k. Even got the Elves coming together just like in WFB!

 Kirasu wrote:

guru wrote:
/tg
next month more gathering storm

Well of course, it'll be at least 4 months as they are just doing End Times 40k. Even got the Elves coming together just like in WFB!

Do we really need to get back to this again? To begin with, Eldar are getting even more fractured with a fifth faction popping in.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I kinda wish the Ynnari or whatever were in Biel-Tann colors. It would make sense since Ynnead first formed there.

Now if I get Visarch, I want to paint him in Biel-Tann colors. That or Ulthwe. Can't decide.

If you think about it, the Ynnari are in the reverse of Beil-Tan colors, which is appropriate. Black & Red are the contrasting colors to White & Green after all.
This may have been deliberate, but may also just be a happy coincidence.

Lord Kragan wrote:
To begin with, Eldar are getting even more fractured with a fifth faction popping in.

Sixth faction actually. Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Corsairs, Harlequins, Exodite and now Ynnari

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Seventh! Chaos Eldar! :p

 Galef wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I kinda wish the Ynnari or whatever were in Biel-Tann colors. It would make sense since Ynnead first formed there.

Now if I get Visarch, I want to paint him in Biel-Tann colors. That or Ulthwe. Can't decide.

If you think about it, the Ynnari are in the reverse of Beil-Tan colors, which is appropriate. Black & Red are the contrasting colors to White & Green after all.
This may have been deliberate, but may also just be a happy coincidence.

That is a very good point!

Ragnar69 wrote:
The hive ships might be immortal, at least the big ones.

Now that's a good point. I'd wager that they are, seeing as they've made the trip from one galaxy to the next

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Biel Tan is fractured - not destroyed.

Spoiler:

Essentially, their spirit stone thing cracks, releasing the souls it held, which is the catalyst for Ynnead to coalesce into consciousness.

Following that, the Craftworld ceases to be - the various and sundry ships is was always comprised of (think organised space hulk) become independent vessels once more.

So Biel Tan as a Craftworld seems gone from what we know, but Biel Tan as a culture very much survives

Yeah I was pretty pissed when I first heard of it, but seeing as it's more of a fracture than an outright destruction it opens up some really cool ideas for Biel Tan

I imagine them now as something close to the Quarian Migrant Fleet from Mass Effect, plying the void endlessly looking for a new home. Except instead of Quarians you've got belligerent warlike xenophobic space-elves!

Could even do some cool fluff things with them trying to find an old abandoned/destroyed Craftworld, fighting off the daemons/Orks/whatever is currently inhabiting it and reforging Biel Tan plenty of cool ideas for campaigns

Vorian wrote:
Seventh! Chaos Eldar! :p

Hell yeah might be skub to some people, but I'm firmly of the opinion that if done right they can be really cool

Needs to have more imagination than 'oh yeah, these eldar just decided to worship Slaanesh all of a sudden...and Slaanesh doesn't consume them instantly because...errr...look how cool these models look with Daemonette heads!'

Yeah, one of the reasons I am very glad it was Biel-Tan is because the thing they as famous for is Aspect Warriors which have the least ties to their Craftworld.
It would have been much more difficult to "export" the Black Gaurdians of Ulthwe, the Wildriders of Saim-Hann, or the Wraithhosts of Iyanden for example
It is much easier for surviving Aspect Warriors to pick up and move to a different Craftworld. or even better, become mercenaries for any Eldar sub-faction. It makes DE taking an Aspect Host make more sense. They are just Biel-Tan refugees working with a Raiding party.

I also like the Rune thing that RFHolloway brought up about Biel-Tan's rune meaning "Rebirth of Ancient Days". Biel-Tan has always been about reclaiming the Aeldari birth-right.

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Well, there are already Chaos Eldar, namely the Crone World Eldar.

 Malika2 wrote:
Well, there are already Chaos Eldar, namely the Crone World Eldar.

Yup, they are already existing in universe. Meant to be incredibly powerful.

Of course they haven't been mentioned in decades, but let's not let that get in the way of pedantry!