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Roughly 950 all together. If I could go back in time I'd pick an OPAP (actual military gun) or WASR (newer guns are the best bang for your buck) instead because this thing has had some issues. I mean, it eats its rifle food without a hiccup but I had the replace the shepard's hook (firing pin fell out and the BCG locked up http://i.imgur.com/OK8wpxv.jpg ) and the secondary release button for the cover came off (hole next to the stock).
But it runs and runs lubed or dry, and looks sexy as hell, so that's going for it!
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When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: Very nice rifle. You're going to give us the low down on it after a range trip, right?
We have an area on the property to shoot. Landlord used his backhoe to set up a berm for me. It is at the end of a cleared lane about 100m long with woods on 3 sides, one of the 'short' sides comes up towards our horse pastures. If you don't mind either moving the horses (or firing over their heads, but I avoid that) you can actually get about a 500m shot by going up on a small rise that allows you to look down the lane from across the pasture areas.
Hope to get it ready and shoot a few 100 rounds in the next couple of weeks.
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MWHistorian wrote: You'd be surprised with how far you can reach out with slugs in a shotgun. They're quite versatile.
Cheers! I think it'll depend on my ability to match the proper load. Had no problem punching out 5 round groups about half the size of a fist at 25 yards with Federal Truball Foster slugs. Winchester Super X on the other hand was all over the place.
The draw to the shotgun for me is, as you say, a flatter shooting round past the 40 yard effective range of my bow. That said, I'd prefer a rifle in 5.56 or 7.62 as it's basically POA=POI +/- ~3" out to the longest shots I'd take on this property (about 180 yards).
So far, the only issue I've had with the shotgun is in quietly and quickly switching out rounds depending on range. I'd originally tended to walk to my stand with buck loaded (there's the opportunity for some pretty close contact on that property walking in) then swap to slugs but I'm thinking that just sticking with slugs is ideal at all ranges.
I schwacked a deer a few weeks ago with Federal Flight Control 00 buck at 58 yards. It wasn't as clean as I would have liked...even with the shot cup to control the projectiles it was pretty much throwing beach balls at that range. I'll report back when I've had a chance to ballistic test these Truball slugs on something that moves.
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Ooooh Kriss has a new 9mm version of their Vector out.
Justifications
1. I don't have any 9mm weapons.
2. 9mm ammo is cheap and easier to find than .22 for plinking
3. It looks frikkin cool(and has good reviews)
4. Rumblings from the bad guys in DC have me worried. Not that anything will come of it this session or that the nullification states will allow it to happen anyway.
5. Originally wanted the .45 version but the cost of ammo was prohibitive so I never pulled the trigger.
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or Assault Terminators 3xTH/SS, 2xLCs
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Breotan wrote: Anyone know the legality of the CornerShot in the US?
It's just a framework for a pistol but given the bizarro way gun laws are written, I don't know if is legal or not.
The shoulder stock may cause it to be classed as a rifle, like those AR pistols with the cheek weld try to get around. However it could be argued that the barrel itself is still the regular length due to being in the movable part of the gun. Regardless of that though I'm not sure if that overcomes the stock thing.
Ignoring that, how would the regulation be any different from WWI era periscope rifles (which are legal in the US)?
Breotan wrote: Anyone know the legality of the CornerShot in the US?
It's just a framework for a pistol but given the bizarro way gun laws are written, I don't know if is legal or not.
It would be legal and non-NFA due to the overall length being >26 inches - It looks pretty long to me. Once you put a pistol into that framework it is no longer a pistol, legally. If it were less than 26 inches it would be an NFA item due to having a barrel of less than 16" and not being designed to be shot with a single hand.
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It is worth checking, though, as there are some polymer carbine frames for pistols that are too short and cound as a SBR.
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Breotan wrote: Anyone know the legality of the CornerShot in the US?
It's just a framework for a pistol but given the bizarro way gun laws are written, I don't know if is legal or not.
It would be legal and non-NFA due to the overall length being >26 inches - It looks pretty long to me. Once you put a pistol into that framework it is no longer a pistol, legally. If it were less than 26 inches it would be an NFA item due to having a barrel of less than 16" and not being designed to be shot with a single hand.
A SBR ceases to be a SBR if the OAL > 26"? I don't think that's accurate. My AR pistol is longer than 26" and is classified as a "firearm" so it can have a vertical foregrip but definitely not a stock.
A Glock in a Cornershot is the same as a Glock with a stock - SBR all day.
Now if you really wanted to use a Cornershot without the paperwork just take off the stock and replace it with a Sig brace
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I believe barrel length is also a requirement. If the barrel is less than 16", it's an sbr regardless of overall length.
Edit: yeah:
"Short-barreled rifle (SBR) is a legal designation in the United States, referring to a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm with a barrel length of less than 16 inches (40.6 cm) or overall length of less than 26 inches (66.0 cm)." wikipedia
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To add to the 9mm subgun theme that I've found myself on of late...
I'm now ready to fight the Cylons.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
The CX4 is pretty fun and its a tack driver. I just wish I bought the one I had in 9mm rather than 40. I got rid of it because I could only use a 14 round magazine, at least the 9mm make a conversion piece that lets you slap in the 32 round beretta 92 mags. Now I have an Uzi that I built this year and love it!
This years project is going to be either a SBR 9mm AR or a SBR AR57.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts."
That's a hell of a lot of flash hider you've got there!
It's just a cheap shroud covering the barrel to make it look like the BSG gun, not actually a flash hider. The TV ones were SBR'd to MX4 length and had custom "space-looking" muzzle devices fitted, this was the closest I could get to that look.
Ruberu wrote: The CX4 is pretty fun and its a tack driver. I just wish I bought the one I had in 9mm rather than 40. I got rid of it because I could only use a 14 round magazine, at least the 9mm make a conversion piece that lets you slap in the 32 round beretta 92 mags. Now I have an Uzi that I built this year and love it!
This years project is going to be either a SBR 9mm AR or a SBR AR57.
I've got a PX4 in 9mm so that was the obvious choice for me
The 9mm ones are damn hard to find currently, I had to order this one cross-country after a good amount of internet scouring (especially for an NIB one, not a used one). The .40's and .45's are pretty easy to get (despite the .45's being discontinued for nearly 2 years, I don't think anyone wants them...with their 8 round capacity ), but the 9mm guns are almost impossible to find currently. Beretta apparently is putting all CX4/MX4 production toward fulfillment of military contracts currently and hasn't imported any into the US for months and likely won't again until well into 2016 and possibly even 2017.
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New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
I had a PX4 in 40 which is why I ended up getting the CX4 in 40. I really did like them but I ended up selling them both and bought a Sig Sauer M11 instead and I never looked back. At the time I had a Sterling SMG so I really had no attachment to the CX4, then I sold the Sterling to my brother and found myself without a small caliber carbine .
I love SMGs, even if they are semi auto . After I sold my CX4 and my Sterling I found myself missing out on the fun of shooting a small caliber rifle. That's when I bought my Auto Ordnance Thompson. The Thompson is one of the most fun I have ever had shooting a SMG. The sound alone coming from that 45acp out of a rifle is truly hypnotic. Although I love the Thompson and it is on the list of guns I will never sell, it has its problems. First off, the 45acp round is not cheap enough to go out and dump hundreds of round off, granted, with the weight of a Thompson this is a self correcting problem because your arms are too darn tired of holding it after a few drum loads. Second, the magazines... The Thompson and the Sterling both have new stick mags that can be bought for a ridiculous price or you can use old WW2 Sten/Thompson mags for a lot cheaper. Both require some fine tuning to get them to work, a lot less with the new ones, but they still don't work 100% of the time. The Thompson however has one of the best Drum magazines I have ever used. The drum works all the time regardless if its clean or not, but it prices itself out of the market at $300 each and that you need to have a key for it to work. And the last problem is that it NEEDS to be clean. The owners manual tells you to never disassemble the trigger group, however, if you abide by this you will find yourself with a single shot Thompson. The trigger housing is loaded with grease from the factory which mixes with hair, dirt, brass chippings, and carbon which prevents the trigger from resetting after about 1000 rounds. So unlike most of my guns, the Thompson gets fully disassembled after every shooting session and every single piece gets polished clean.
And that's why I built an Uzi. 9mm is a lot cheaper, its a lot lighter, functional magazines are a dime a dozen, and the design is really simple so it is very forgiving if I forget to clean it. Although the Uzi does have a problem as do most military SMGs, firing from a closed bolt... Since SMGs where full auto they were originally designed to fire from an open bolt. To make them semi auto they had to redesign the mechanics of the gun to fire from a closed bolt to prevent the gun from firing in the full auto mode, usually by changing the bolt itself and making a new receiver. This tends to have some quality issues that you cant get around because you have to use an old de-milled full auto kit and piece it together and fit it with the new semi auto parts. I built my Uzi because most of the prebuilt ones are from companies that tend to not fine tune their guns before they ship them out, it keeps them cheap, but not really quality. I spent around $400 more on mine than it would have cost to buy one already built, but I got the satisfaction of building it myself and building it right. It only took me about 8 months of searching and waiting to get all the pieces I needed .
Now I am looking at building an AR9. The bonus to the AR9 is that its a new design and they are not converting old full auto ones. I also like the AR9s because you can build them to use either colt magazines, which they still make new ones, or you can make it to use 9mm Glock mags. Plus the AR9 will uses all the same accessories as an AR-15, so piles of stocks and rails to choose from.
Sorry for the short story, I just really like my toys .
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Ruberu wrote: I had a PX4 in 40 which is why I ended up getting the CX4 in 40. I really did like them but I ended up selling them both and bought a Sig Sauer M11 instead and I never looked back. At the time I had a Sterling SMG so I really had no attachment to the CX4, then I sold the Sterling to my brother and found myself without a small caliber carbine .
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I love SMGs, even if they are semi auto . After I sold my CX4 and my Sterling I found myself missing out on the fun of shooting a small caliber rifle. That's when I bought my Auto Ordnance Thompson. The Thompson is one of the most fun I have ever had shooting a SMG. The sound alone coming from that 45acp out of a rifle is truly hypnotic. Although I love the Thompson and it is on the list of guns I will never sell, it has its problems. First off, the 45acp round is not cheap enough to go out and dump hundreds of round off, granted, with the weight of a Thompson this is a self correcting problem because your arms are too darn tired of holding it after a few drum loads. Second, the magazines... The Thompson and the Sterling both have new stick mags that can be bought for a ridiculous price or you can use old WW2 Sten/Thompson mags for a lot cheaper. Both require some fine tuning to get them to work, a lot less with the new ones, but they still don't work 100% of the time. The Thompson however has one of the best Drum magazines I have ever used. The drum works all the time regardless if its clean or not, but it prices itself out of the market at $300 each and that you need to have a key for it to work. And the last problem is that it NEEDS to be clean. The owners manual tells you to never disassemble the trigger group, however, if you abide by this you will find yourself with a single shot Thompson. The trigger housing is loaded with grease from the factory which mixes with hair, dirt, brass chippings, and carbon which prevents the trigger from resetting after about 1000 rounds. So unlike most of my guns, the Thompson gets fully disassembled after every shooting session and every single piece gets polished clean.
And that's why I built an Uzi. 9mm is a lot cheaper, its a lot lighter, functional magazines are a dime a dozen, and the design is really simple so it is very forgiving if I forget to clean it. Although the Uzi does have a problem as do most military SMGs, firing from a closed bolt... Since SMGs where full auto they were originally designed to fire from an open bolt. To make them semi auto they had to redesign the mechanics of the gun to fire from a closed bolt to prevent the gun from firing in the full auto mode, usually by changing the bolt itself and making a new receiver. This tends to have some quality issues that you cant get around because you have to use an old de-milled full auto kit and piece it together and fit it with the new semi auto parts. I built my Uzi because most of the prebuilt ones are from companies that tend to not fine tune their guns before they ship them out, it keeps them cheap, but not really quality. I spent around $400 more on mine than it would have cost to buy one already built, but I got the satisfaction of building it myself and building it right. It only took me about 8 months of searching and waiting to get all the pieces I needed .
Now I am looking at building an AR9. The bonus to the AR9 is that its a new design and they are not converting old full auto ones. I also like the AR9s because you can build them to use either colt magazines, which they still make new ones, or you can make it to use 9mm Glock mags. Plus the AR9 will uses all the same accessories as an AR-15, so piles of stocks and rails to choose from.
Sorry for the short story, I just really like my toys .
Nice stuff, a thompson would be tons of fun. I've gotten to shoot an open bolt automatic Uzi, but it was a jam-o-matic on that day (stuff kept flying into the chamber thanks to the wind & sand)
I keep hoping one day I'll have the scratch to get into the "for real real" NFA game, even if it's just the minor leagues. I'd love to get a Mac11 with LAGE upper and triple stamp that thing with a folding stock and a suppressor.
But alas...that will be an aspiration for future me. $8-10k on a toy like that is hard to justify when saving up for a property down payment
I still have an AR I need to built out, but it's just a naked upper/lower assembly thus far
CptJake wrote: Santa, besides the HK, a slew of magazines and ammo, magpul folding sights and other goodies brought this:
Spoiler:
There is also a frame that fits on the base to hold paper targets (you take off the gong).
The home range set up just got a bit nicer!
I'm 200% jelly, I'd love to have a home range, alas, being an urbanite, it is not to be :(
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
I also truly wish I had enough property to have a range on; I have to go to a nearby public range which is free, but also does not generally have a range safety officer available so it's probably the most dangerous place I go.
I have a much nicer indoor range available but it's sort of expensive-ish, and also it's only handguns. I really, really like hangduns but I'm not a particularly good shot so I'd prefer rifles with optics, all in all.
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