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gorgon wrote:My take on AvX is that it's *very* dumb, but can be fun at the aforementioned "Hulk smash" level. Maybe it's only because of the "Vs" books, but I feel like it's not taking itself as seriously as, say, Siege or Fear Itself did. Both of which of course felt like a ton of buildup for a predictable and flat ending.

Having said that, I've only picked up a few of the books in this latest mega-event. If I'd purchased AvX-related 20 books to this point, it's possible I'd be angry and bitter about it, I dunno. If you think a series revolving around "who would win, [insert Avenger] or [insert mutant] could be fun, it might be worth paging through an issue or two.

I feel like they've done a good job of making me go back and forth about which faction is "right." I'm not sure who I want to "win", though it's not even about that anymore. I think it's a heck of a lot better than Fear Itself. Is there a side you're pulling for?

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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Saw the first Young Justice episode this morning, really liked it.

Young Justice really is the biggest reason I'm keeping Cartoon Network at this point.It really is that good.

Quoted for truth. IMO it's the best cartoon since The Last Airbender ended.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I feel like they've done a good job of making me go back and forth about which faction is "right." I'm not sure who I want to "win", though it's not even about that anymore. I think it's a heck of a lot better than Fear Itself. Is there a side you're pulling for?

It'll be another year until I read it. Why are the fighting anyway? It's not about who gets Wolverine, is it.


Enjoyed the first two issues of Avenging Spider-Man, definetly gonna keep reading it. Is Madueira always doing the art? Because I like his stuff. Though the monsters under the city look a lot like anything from Darksiders.
What's a bit confusing is, that Avenging runs parallel to the regular Spider-Man series. In one he has his Spidey-Sense back, in the other he doesn't. I suppose that is cleared up in Spider-Island


Also read the first 4 issues of Kick-Ass 2, which I enjoyed more than the original. I really had some problems with the first one. I love Romita Jr.'s art, but I don't really enjoy the utterly brutal, yet erely realistic violence I read in a lot of Miller's books. Also, there is this thing, that the comic version of Big Daddy is a dispicable butt-hole. Kick-Ass 2 has more of a feel good vibe to it, at least until Ex-Red Mist shows up.

Never been much of an X-fan, so I guess I'm rooting for them to take a beating.

In some ways, AvX is kind of a mashup of Fear Itself and Civil War. It takes the power-ups and manga-style matchup approach from Fear Itself, and the hero-vs-hero-which-side-are-you-on aspect from Civil War. Which probably points to Marvel being mostly out of ideas at this point, LOL.

I picked up Captain America today for the first time in a little while. I figure I'll pick up the last arc of Brubaker's run. Which was mostly terrific, although I feel like it peaked a few years ago.

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Kanluwen wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Saw the first Young Justice episode this morning, really liked it.

Young Justice really is the biggest reason I'm keeping Cartoon Network at this point.It really is that good.

Quoted for truth. IMO it's the best cartoon since The Last Airbender ended.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I feel like they've done a good job of making me go back and forth about which faction is "right." I'm not sure who I want to "win", though it's not even about that anymore. I think it's a heck of a lot better than Fear Itself. Is there a side you're pulling for?

It'll be another year until I read it. Why are the fighting anyway? It's not about who gets Wolverine, is it.


Enjoyed the first two issues of Avenging Spider-Man, definetly gonna keep reading it. Is Madueira always doing the art? Because I like his stuff. Though the monsters under the city look a lot like anything from Darksiders.
What's a bit confusing is, that Avenging runs parallel to the regular Spider-Man series. In one he has his Spidey-Sense back, in the other he doesn't. I suppose that is cleared up in Spider-Island


Also read the first 4 issues of Kick-Ass 2, which I enjoyed more than the original. I really had some problems with the first one. I love Romita Jr.'s art, but I don't really enjoy the utterly brutal, yet erely realistic violence I read in a lot of Miller's books. Also, there is this thing, that the comic version of Big Daddy is a dispicable butt-hole. Kick-Ass 2 has more of a feel good vibe to it, at least until Ex-Red Mist shows up.

Let's just say it has to do with the return of The Phoenix.
I think Joe Mad does like 3 issues of Avenging Spider-Man then calls it quits. I seem to recall Avenging Spider-Man being way after Spider Island but I could be wrong


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gorgon wrote:Never been much of an X-fan, so I guess I'm rooting for them to take a beating.

In some ways, AvX is kind of a mashup of Fear Itself and Civil War. It takes the power-ups and manga-style matchup approach from Fear Itself, and the hero-vs-hero-which-side-are-you-on aspect from Civil War. Which probably points to Marvel being mostly out of ideas at this point, LOL.

I was going for Avengers at first too but now I don't know. When the question is who would you rather have in charge of the world Scott Summers or Steve Rodgers? Rodgers was my first reaction but now I don't know. I think it's better than Civil War because eventually the Pro-Registration side just became the bad guys so it just devolved into good vs. evil again. Little behind on the story by about 3 weeks right now though so who knows maybe that changed and Satan is part of the X-Men now or something.

Heh, seen three episodes now, is very quickly become a fave. The only mess up is the UK Cartoon network has messed up the scheduling. They are showing them in twos, but back to front.

I missed episode 2, and assumed episode 1 was the first showing. However, today they just had episode 4 followed by episode 3.

Just set up the sky box for the rest of the series, going to tape them and then watch in the right order.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/07/26/top-five-british-comic-characters-off-the-top-of-my-head/

Johnny Red was pretty cool

Read a few Oor Wullie comics when I was a bairn -- Ennis did a whole riff on it in his "highland Laddie" arc which tickled me no end but I can only assume left overseas readers as baffled as they were when/if they picked up that Knight and Squire series

The coolness Knight & Squire themselves helped me through it. IIRC, I had to PM you for some of the references.

yeah, much of it was obscure even for a sadcase like me.

But when you look at the list of characters, most of whom he made up for the book

http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=230226

things are going to get weird.



best villains ever...?


God no, but funny.






Not many series where most of the "action" takes place in a pub.

Cyril and Beryl are very likable characters even if what they do and say doesn't always make a lot of sense to me. Very microcomsic, that.

Congrats to The Walking Dead #100 on being the best selling comic in 15 years. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39858

http://io9.com/5928142/rare-batman-comics-that-everyone-should-read?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Good choices, the Milligan written trilogy -- Dark Knight, Dark City -- is superb, very dark mind, even for a Batman tale -- and well worth checking out.

Looking at that I'd forgotten quite how cool the DC 1Million stuff was.. gonna have to either dig those out ( not happening if I'm honest ) or grab some trades which I'm sure were done at some point or other.

.. Amalgam stuff had its moments too.

.. which leads me nicely to...

Right then chaps : your most underated or deserving of higher praise arcs/characters/series then...

I'll start off with Messner -Loebs run on Dr. Fate which he took and ran with for a good few years, in many ways -- age and nostalgia perhaps -- the era of that series represents something of a golden age in DC comics for me. Oh to be young again.

He came after a very interesting run see here -- http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/08/31/comics-you-should-own-flashback-dr-fate-1-4-1-24/ which dealt with things I don't think a mainstream regular superhero book could touch today.. alas...

-- and totally made it his own. He goes in a different tack but the stories overall are funny, heart warming and just work.... I'm going to have to dig'em up when I'm on vacation in a couple of weeks now. It's only about 16 issues or so IIRC before the series ends...

.. but the ending... especially the bit with .. aahh.. no spoilers I think still brings a smile and a slight tear to my cynical mug to this very day.

Art worked well for me, YMMV of course, but some of the covers especially were great -- #s 35 and 39 especially.

http://misc.thefullwiki.org/Doctor_Fate/Covers

plus... well.... I just think Dr. fate is a cool character, costume works, the mask/helmet is pretty funky and magic in superhero comics is just cool.

Wasn't keen at all on the mercifully short lived "Fate/Jared" era or character .. but I had a mate who loved it and we spent many a happy hour shooting the breeze back and forth and writing rules for the character for our RPGs.

.. good times..

I'd imagine the Dr. fate issues can be picked up quite cheaply, they were certainly cheap as chips a ( fair) few years back when I filled in a few holes in the run.

.. anyway enough from me... I'm sure I'll bore you all some more soon with further haranguings ... I'll even go out on a limb and say there's some Marvel runs/series I want to go on about as well !

I love the Red Rain/Blood Storm/Crimson Mist cycle.



Kelley's Batman (see the cover for Detective 651 on the list red posted) is iconic for me -- and I don't mean in the sense that Dan DiDio uses it. It doesn't stand for Batman generally but rather for Batman in a certain place and time -- my own first brush with the dark age that I have lived through up until the present. The idea that Batman could slip in and out of the darkness is appealing, of course, but what if when he slipped in something grabbed him and wouldn't let go. In the case of vampirism, couldn't let go. How devoted would Batman be to getting back into the light?

In that same ... (no pun intended) vein,I also really liked the short-lived second volume of Ragman from those same years. Pat Broderick's art still amazes me:



Which brings me to my last entry: Doom 2099. I only read this one up through the twenties or so but it cemented my love for the villain by turning him into a hero. Doom has always been noble, IMO. I guess the fallout from Kristoff's identity crises, my earliest brush with comics as something that challenged and puzzled me, must have really seeped into my thoughts because this Doom's identity issues completely fascinated me.

reds8n wrote:Right then chaps : your most underated or deserving of higher praise arcs/characters/series then...

Oh, nice one Red.
Let me think about that for a moment.



Back in the day when I was reading Spider-Man I really enjoyed Identity Crisis



After Spidey was framed for murder, he took on not one, but four new super hero identities, each one highlighting one of his strengths and character traits. Sure, it seemed gimmicky but I was sad when it was over. I really liked Hornet and the others.

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Not many series where most of the "action" takes place in a pub.

Ever read Brubaker's Criminal series? There's a bar called the Undertow where
all the different criminals end up both to plan things and such.

That Ragman series is also a favourite of mine, it's exactly the sort of update and reworking of a character that Giffen does really well and that DC used to be great at.
As it happens you've shown my favourite cover of that series , IIRC that story was the first one where I becae aware of the Jewish Golem myth/story/history ( let's not dive into that kettle of fish yeah ), and I shamelessly lifted from it for many years in roleplaying campaigns and the like.

.... what ? All GMs are essentially show offs ?!

I picked up the Ghost Rider 2099 series for a bit... in fact wasn't the spider-man of that era non Caucasian ? Dont recall there being a big fuss and hullabaloo about that at the time.

.. then again maybe there was, I wasn't online and only really read a couple of comic related magazines.

Think I read the first of the vampire Batman series there..... is Kelley still in the industry ? His covers for Batman were definately iconic and stand out. Might have to check out the other 2 books in the series then.

.. I;d totally forgotten about that storyline in the spiderman series.... Dusk kind of resembles Black Bolt to me. I seem to remember thinking it seemed a bit too much like the REturn of Superman storyline... 4 new identities ?.... but seeing as DC then lifted the "identity crisis" name X years later all's fair I guess.

It is odd how some stories, even if when one is brutally honest, stay with one and can still have an affect even years later. Much of it is just nostalgia one supposes, and it's not just comcis that do this of course. I must confess to an embarrassing enjoyment no no... love even of ( most of ) "The Headless Children" by W.A.S.P. mainly because, I think, that's what I was listening to the first time I read the HH stuff in the then newly released ( and long anticipated) RoC "Lost and the Damned" book.. to this day whenever I read anything about Horus I hear "Thunderhead" from that album.

Kelley Jones and Doug Moench teamed up again for the first time to do another Elseworlds Batman called Haunted Gotham. Late last decade (while Dick was wearing the cowl), Jones drew Gotham After Midnight and then teamed up with Moench again for The Unseen. They were quite coolly received and I haven't read them myself. But ...



You know, looks fething amazing to me! So I will probably pick them up eventually.


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reds8n wrote:in fact wasn't the spider-man of that era non Caucasian ?

Er, you tell me. His name was Miguel O'Hara.

He was 1/2 Latino and 1/2 Irish - and all American, of course!

I think!

I loved identity crisis, but it seems ages ago now.. I think im getting old.

Dusk was my favourite incarnation.

On my underrated list is (this is kinda old, mind you) Giffen's run on Legion of Super-Heroes. I can't understand why no one read that book. I mean, I get that Giffen got a lot of old LSH fans' panties in a twist. But I'm an old LSH fan too, and I was ready for a more adult and darker take on them that didn't involve rocket-shaped clubhouses. I thought Giffen did a great job deconstructing and rebuilding them. *shrug*

A little more recently, John Arcudi's run on Doom Patrol had its moments. There's a huge twist involving Cliff Steele that I don't think I've ever seen done before, at least not in that way.

the 5 year gap legion is my all time favourite run of them, possibly of a series ever.

incidentally..

DCDigiWatch: The Five Years Later Legion of Super Heroes reboot stuff is now available on ComiXology – the first time they’ve been available since the original monthly comics were printed, up to issue 9 and only 99 cents each. It’s almost as if DC are somehow ashamed and don’t want to bring attention to them. Like the final Spirit issue of New Wave. Also, we know that ComiXology released Green Lantern #11 early by mistake last week, until Bleeding Cool pointed it out. But this week, when it is out properly, they aren’t listing it in this week’s releases and you have to search to find it…. an overreaction in the other direction?

Defended it, to the death ( more or less) a few times.

No chance of explaining it to anyone who'd never read the preceding series and the absence of Wildfire did pain me, but I enjoyed every minute of it.


I said I'd do it so...

Byrne' s run on She Hulk was well ahead of its time, no Deadpool without it IMO.

Also the first... ooh... 4 years or so the Volume I of "The New Warriors" was pretty damn good as well. Only spoilt really when -- as they always did back then -- lots of the characters spun off into their own titles and the original writer left. Though Darkhawk and the later additions to the team worked very well indeed, and Bagley's artwork was fine indeed.

.. few too many gatefold, 3d holographic covers perhaps but them was the days.

Yeah, I remember talking about LSH back in the day with an employee at a comics shop. He was of the same mind...great read that hardly anyone's reading. *shrug* Sun Boy was always my fave as a kid, so Dirk's ultimate fate was kind of disturbing. But I still enjoyed the storytelling.

"If we're fortunate enough, if it blows up at the box office, then absolutely I would definitely love to come back and reprise the role and make more of these," Urban said. "I just think there's so much fertile ground to explore in the character and in the world. I would love to see the continuing story and the evolution of these characters and the relationship between Anderson and Dredd. It'll be interesting to find out about the world and Dredd. It'd be really cool to see the Dark Judges. There's so much."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40085

I think "Admirable." might be my new catchphrase.

I was just wondering if one of my favourite comic book characters in recent years is still around in the new 52.

How is Abuse?

He has not yet appeared.

Are there more Batman Beyond comics after Hush Beyond and Industrial Revolution? I can't find anything on Amazon.

No, I don't think the latest stuff has been collected into TPB yet.

But there is more?

Am I the only one who's having more fun reading Earth 2 than JL? I've never been a big JSA fan, but thus far I kinda like it. It's taking a similar path to JL -- more or less unveiling one team member with each issue -- but seems to be better paced so far.

Anung Un Rama wrote:But there is more?

Yep:

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/batman-beyond-unlimited-2012

Gork damnit, I want to read those!


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I didn't know Dustin Nguyen was also a writer.