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played at a tourney today and brought my horrible chaos list of 2008

the first game pretty much turned me off from playing the rest

was called cheesy by the first opponent for my 32 chaos termi list.
his list was 3 falcon love fest um yeah

then he told me i was cheating for my termis were on the original 25 mm base.
to say the least he was a toolbox

This isn't really a battle report. It would fit better in discussions.

I think I would rather face 3 falcons than 32 termies. Imagine how your opponent felt about you Skipper.

Darrian

32 termies?!?!?! That's par for the course for me. Then again, I play deathwing

ok full battle report 1750

my list
khorne lord in terminator armour with demon weapon and combi melta
tzeentch lord terminator with deamon weapon
10 terminator with 2 heavy flamers 2 combi flamers and 8 power fist 1 lc 1 power wepon
10 terminators with 2 reapers 2 combi flamers 1 combi melta 2 chainfiist 1 lc 4 fists 3 power weapons
10 terminators with two reapers 2 combi meltas 3 fists
5 man chaos space marines
5 man chao space marines

his list
2 autacrhs kitted the same jet bikes laser lance manbi blaster reaper laucher
3 fully kitted out falcons with scatter laser
6 dire avengers
6 dive avengers
6 fire dragons
3 guardian jet bikes
2 squads of 10 warp spiders
misions was hold the center with most expensive point unit.
table area terrian rocks mast were 8 x 10 ovals
deployement
he find all his suff out of site, behind area terrian.
i placed my two units behind the area terrian a well.

he gave me first turn
i didn't move
his turn
moved up all his stuff.
turn 2
2 squads of terminators show up one landed near the center. one landed poor and lost seven.
wipe out 1 unit of warp spiders. glanced a falcon 4 times with the reapers stuned it and blew off the pulse laser
his turn two
moved up the 2 falcons and unloaded the dire avengers moved up the second warp spiders moved up autarchs
center termi squad took all the fire and saved about 40 saves with 5 inv. lost 4 guys they broke into the lava.
turn three the last termi squad shows up and the tzeentch lord
1st squad rallied
the lord took a wound when he fired his demon weapon
the new arrived termi squad shoot a a falcons back side using the combi flamers to roast a squad of dire avengers hanging out the back door. blew off the pulse laser and stunned it
the other squad killed seven warp spiders
the little squad reaped the guardian jetbikes.

his turn 3
packed up the dive avengers and flew off
focus the remaning warpspiders and fire dragons autarchs and falcon on the squad that arrived last turn. he wiped them out with the shooting and 2 autachs charge.

turn 4
move up far termi squad to shoot at falcon
the other one had no targets due to power difficult terrian move
the csm squad kills 2 fire dragons
tzeentch lord gets two shots on autarchs he made the saves

his turn four
he wipes out the csm squad that shoot the fire dragons
he breaks the other squad which fall back into the falcon.
he shots up the squad of termis in center bring down to two
autarchs charge tzeentch lord and kill him.

my turn five
khorne lord shows up
fails to hurt falcon by combi melta his ass
lose one termi in lava flame falcon and dire avengers wiping them out
charge falcon faliled to hit.
the far termis fail to down a falcon
his turn 5
kills khorne lord moves falcons to center.
turn 6
the lone termiator armed with heavy flamer has no targets
other squads fails to take down center falcon

he wins he has center

Whats to gripe about, that's like chedder saying is worse than swiss (cheese that is). Tell him to grow up a little as it appears the 3 Falcon cookie cutter net list won once again.

Neither list is very fluffy. They are both a little cheesy.

I'm not sure the chaos list isn't fluffy. 10 Termies are a tough nut to crack, but they don't have ATSKF or fearless, nor do they have assault cannons. My point being there are ways to properly counter that many terminators.

The eldar list is a swordwind list, with aspects and transports. Is it fluffy? I don't know. I do know that there's not a lot most armies can do about three loaded falcons, which is why while I think the terminator list is unbalanced and tough, the tri-falcon list is broken. Chaos also gets points for not being a cookie cutter "I saw this on the interweb" list.

snorkle wrote:Neither list is very fluffy. They are both a little cheesy.

I apologise for this profusely but what the heck do cheesey and fluffy actually mean ?!?

Cheesy means that it beat my army
Fluffy means that I beat it with my army.

skyth wrote:Cheesy means that it beat my army
Fluffy means that I beat it with my army.

Lol

Oh well, I guess that makes my gaming buddy a dairy farmer

cheesy: maxing out on the best thing in the army list . Things things usually have rules that break other rules and make the game not really fun. that being said nothing is really wrong with cheesy just it isn't a way to make friends

fluffy: if you magiclly transported to a 40k battlefield what really would be there.
again with millions of skirmed going on at any time in this universe any thing could be seen on the field.

skkipper wrote:cheesy: maxing out on the best thing in the army list . Things things usually have rules that break other rules and make the game not really fun. that being said nothing is really wrong with cheesy just it isn't a way to make friends

fluffy: if you magiclly transported to a 40k battlefield what really would be there.
again with millions of skirmed going on at any time in this universe any thing could be seen on the field.

Aha, thanks Skkipper.

That means my friend is not a cow milker afterall but more of a fluffy bunny :0 I'll let him know.

Thanks, I'm way behind on the Warhammer speak (it's been years !)

A trifalcon eldar player told you you were cheesey for using 32 termies? Hi-larious!
What a gakker. Hope you paddle him next time!

But...did you kiss his trash for calling you cheesy?

Or did he win, and then have the balls to call your army cheesy?

Calling cheese is the siren call of the loser in my book.

32 termies is cool.

- G

I'm with Stelek and GBF.

What kind of 'poon' says the pot is blacker than the kettle?

Yeah. A pretty weak statement to make, especially since you lost...lol. Your list isn't cheesy. My only complaint about your list is that Tzeentch would never ally with Khorne unless there was a black crusade, since that is pretty much the only time chaos sets aside their rivalries and band together....in your list though that's a stretch...lol...but cheesy it is not.

Capt K

i don't see anything about khorne hating tzeentch in the new codex.

skkipper: So, what is your opinion regarding Deep Striking 10 Terminator strong units with a smaller footprint than the current Terminator models that use a significantly larger base?

I know what the rulebook says specifically about this and you could have bought your Termies back when they were supplied with smaller bases. By RAW, I'm not debating it, more like a Sportsmanship issue.

Regarding either army, claiming cheese is typically sour grapes.

Actually if you buy Imperial terminators they come with both 25 and 40 mm bases, so you can use either and it is totally legal. I have a bunch of old DW termies and I will be damned if I am going to re-base all of them to make a constant complainer be quite.


"My only complaint about your list is that Tzeentch would never ally with Khorne..."

Wow that is so passe!

- G

I find deepstriking better on the larger bases. yeah you are a much bigger foot print but with the icons you can negate some of the nasty scatter and you can get your flamers 1.5" closer then if on smaller bases.

Um, maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I thought Khorne hated Slaanesh, and Tzeentch hated Nurgle.

So Tzeentch and Khorne is fine, fluffwise.

It doesn't really matter now that Chaos is like a box of crayons that you mix and match. Oh well maybe they will do the Legion codices.

- G

A termi-heavy list isn't cheating at all. It seems like an uphill battle to me, especially against Mech Eldar (3 Falcons or no).

At least your opponent wasn't using Harlies in the Falcons.

Where was the tourney? And would you mind PMing me the toolbox's name so that if I face him in any Seattle-area tourneys I can know to take the gloves off early on?

KiMonarrez wrote:Um, maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I thought Khorne hated Slaanesh, and Tzeentch hated Nurgle.

So Tzeentch and Khorne is fine, fluffwise.

like so many have mentioned under the new dex everybody gets along oh so well but for the true fluff fans it was always khorne and nurgle, tzeentch and slaanesh. any other combo was a no no.

Khornes hates all magic, this is why he wouldnt team up with tzeentch.

yes but funny enough a tzeentch lord is non magical.

Perhaps I should start a different thread on this, but the question on termie base size interests me. Seems the larger base makes deepstriking within 1" more likely, but it also makes plasma cannons and other small templates 1+ partials instead of 5 or 6 fulls when hitting a DS formation. Do any of you pick a base size according to these or other gameplay factors?

Khorne see the use of psychic powers as weak and cowardly, thus hates tzeentch. Khorne despises all psykers....why do you think they made the collar of khorne?

Capt K

KiMonarrez wrote:Um, maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I thought Khorne hated Slaanesh, and Tzeentch hated Nurgle.

So Tzeentch and Khorne is fine, fluffwise.

So you'll forget all the lovely fluff that has been written previously? Nice attitude...lol.

Capt K

skkipper wrote:i don't see anything about khorne hating tzeentch in the new codex.