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mrwittwer wrote:
reidy1113 wrote:Eldar:
Allow Fire Prism Squadrons
Reduce the cost of EVERYTHING (only slightly but IMO Guardians are not worth 8 points per model - 6 would be fair considering they are similar to Tyranid Termies which are cheaper)
Avatar with Feel No Pain and Immune to Instant Death and Higher Initiative
Increase ALL VEHICLES Balistic Skill by 1 (except for Wave Serpents and possibly War Walkers)
Shining Spear Lance weapons with slightly larger range (12" would be nice )
Make Fire Prism armour 13 at front and 11 at back
Wraithlords with Balistic Skill 5 and a 4+ Invunrible Save
Autarch and Exarchs with Higher Strength and Toughness
Phoenix Lords with more wounds


All of these changes would make eldar extremely overpowered. BS5 and 4++ on wraithlord would need to make him 200 points base. Making everything better and cheaper never fixes anything. Just makes one army rediculously overpowered.


unless.........
YOU MAKE ALL THE ARMIES THAT WAY
problem solved

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reidy1113 wrote:Eldar:
Higher Initiative for Guardians (if Eldar are supposedly quick and agile why do Guardians have an average Initiative of 4 even if they're on Jetbikes as well?)
Allow Fire Prism Squadrons
Reduce the cost of EVERYTHING (only slightly but IMO Guardians are not worth 8 points per model - 6 would be fair considering they are similar to Tyranid Termies which are cheaper)
Have a Warp Spider and Shining Spear Phoenix Lord
Avatar with Feel No Pain and Immune to Instant Death and Higher Initiative
Increase ALL VEHICLES Balistic Skill by 1 (except for Wave Serpents and possibly War Walkers)
Shining Spear Lance weapons with slightly larger range (12" would be nice )
Striking Scorpions with Fleet of Foot
Make Fire Prism armour 13 at front and 11 at back
Wraithlords with Balistic Skill 5 and a 4+ Invunrible Save
Autarch and Exarchs with Higher Strength and Toughness
Warlocks with Leadership 10
Phoenix Lords with more wounds

Yes it's a long but it is what should happen IMO. Obviously none of these will happen to be honest but Eldar need these upgrades. I could have thought of more if I had the time.





Just to adress each point specificly.
1. They are still "civilians" in the Eldar sense. Basic troops in the game sense. Now 5 I probably wouldn't make them OP, but is there really a need for it?
2. I'd love to take 9 prisms thanks! (Incredibly OP if they did this without increasing costs exponentially)
3. This seems to come up a lot. I honestly think only some units are overcosted for what they do, not all.
4. Woohoo! Two more units no one would field!
5. FnP: No. Immune to Instant Death: Yes. But with toughness 6 the only things instant deathing him will be weapons that... cause instant death. And isn't his I 6? That's pretty high.
6. The only one I would raise by 1 is actually the war walker. But in a technological sense most vehicles in this game should never miss so...
7. Shining Spears are already too expensive to field without basing an entire army around them.
8. Scorps are in heavy aspect armor. Nothing in it can fleet. (Spiders, reapers, etc.)
9. People always seem to forget that range is a fire prism's best defense. Also why would it be a higher AV if it is on the exact same chassis as a serpent and falcon?
10. BS: eh... fluff wise they are probably not the most accurate things in the universe but I would also enjoy it at 5. 4++: it would be nice to have some kind of ++ save, but as was previously mentioned, do we really want them to be 200 pts base?
11. They are still Eldar.
12. Yes
13. Once again, it would make an already overpriced, underused unit (or group of units rather) even more expensive.

Just my two cents about these as an Eldar player.

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I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

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I'd personally like to see an upgrade to medics. So that if the PCS takes a Medic the whole platoon gets FNP, but increases the cost of a medic to perhaps 50-60pts.
Or give the medic an area of effect of 6"


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mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.


I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

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CrazyThang wrote:
mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.


I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.

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Eldar Own wrote:
CrazyThang wrote:
mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.


I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.


Bringing up WS... I would love to run swordlords, but the 2 attacks just seem to be a slap in the face... even with rerolls...

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CrazyThang wrote:
Eldar Own wrote:
CrazyThang wrote:
mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.


I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.


Bringing up WS... I would love to run swordlords, but the 2 attacks just seem to be a slap in the face... even with rerolls...

I totally agree!! It's probably my biggest problem with the eldar codex. I think that wraitguard should be brought up to 2 attacks and wraithlords up to at least 3, if not 4.

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Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':

Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3

Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.

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Eldar Own wrote:
CrazyThang wrote:
Eldar Own wrote:
CrazyThang wrote:
mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.


I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.


Bringing up WS... I would love to run swordlords, but the 2 attacks just seem to be a slap in the face... even with rerolls...

I totally agree!! It's probably my biggest problem with the eldar codex. I think that wraitguard should be brought up to 2 attacks and wraithlords up to at least 3, if not 4.


I was actually thinking about this yesterday in an interesting way. Considering wraithsight and the (fairly limited) descriptions of 'lords, I am starting to find it hard to imagine them dueling with ballerina-like grace. I kinda just imagine them plodding along, stopping in front of an enemy, swinging in a huge arc with their sword, and moving on. I mean it's cool to imagine them doing cool stuff (such as that oh so awsome "Stalking Wraithlord") but in all reality they are contructs controlled by ghosts that occasionally go dumb. *Sigh* Logic

BUT I don't read any black library or older codices or anything so please tell me I'm wrong

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Dark Eldar:

Just looking at existing models and wargear.
Squadrons for Talos and Ravagers
I would like the webway portal to come into play on turn 1 like a drop pod (deep strike, stop at terrain) instead of someone having to carry it and place it.
game size requirements stripped from special characters.
Mandrakes to have the ability to get a sergeant that can buy wargear.
soul seeker ammunition become cheap and available to basic warriors (2-3 point upgrade).
scourges to have a dual fire weapon that allows them a heavy choice and an assault choice.
Hellions to have their hellglaive be an assault weapon instead of a rapid fire, as they're a hit and run unit.
Raiders able to move 12" and still allow units on board to shoot. (they can shoot if they get off, why can't they shoot if they stay on).
CC attacks for raiders and ravagers.

For new stuff, I'd like an expansion on the psychological warfare the DE can already do with horrorfexes and other special equipment.
Weapons along the lines of guns that inflict penalties on ld tests for this shooting turn.
maybe a weapon that doesn't pin, but makes models fall back d6 inches if they fail a ld test, but they regroup after moving.
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CrazyThang wrote:I was actually thinking about this yesterday in an interesting way. Considering wraithsight and the (fairly limited) descriptions of 'lords, I am starting to find it hard to imagine them dueling with ballerina-like grace. I kinda just imagine them plodding along, stopping in front of an enemy, swinging in a huge arc with their sword, and moving on. I mean it's cool to imagine them doing cool stuff (such as that oh so awsome "Stalking Wraithlord") but in all reality they are contructs controlled by ghosts that occasionally go dumb. *Sigh* Logic

Well the wraithlords do what they did best when the spirit inside them was alive. So if it was a CC fighter it would do CC stuff, same goes for shooty. I can see what you mean about them not being graceful and acrobatic, im not sure if they are, however a super-cool image popps into my head of a wraitlord dodging lascannon shots matrix style!

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Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':

Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3

Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.

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Eldar Own wrote:
CrazyThang wrote:I was actually thinking about this yesterday in an interesting way. Considering wraithsight and the (fairly limited) descriptions of 'lords, I am starting to find it hard to imagine them dueling with ballerina-like grace. I kinda just imagine them plodding along, stopping in front of an enemy, swinging in a huge arc with their sword, and moving on. I mean it's cool to imagine them doing cool stuff (such as that oh so awsome "Stalking Wraithlord") but in all reality they are contructs controlled by ghosts that occasionally go dumb. *Sigh* Logic

Well the wraithlords do what they did best when the spirit inside them was alive. So if it was a CC fighter it would do CC stuff, same goes for shooty. I can see what you mean about them not being graceful and acrobatic, im not sure if they are, however a super-cool image popps into my head of a wraitlord dodging lascannon shots matrix style!


Now I want to see said image. Sounds awsome!

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Eldar Own wrote:
I totally agree!! It's probably my biggest problem with the eldar codex. I think that wraitguard should be brought up to 2 attacks and wraithlords up to at least 3, if not 4.


Wraithlords with 3 or 4 attacks? What about dreadnoughts they only have 2 attacks and they don't have the luxury of re-rolling missed attacks.
Another change they should do is either change the fluff to match the miniatures or change the miniatures to match the fluff. Dreadnoughts are not nearly tall enough and orks don't seem broad or tall enough

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eldarbgamer13 wrote:tau- them not being commies


i resent that remark, they are not commies, they are a:

Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society
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Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.

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shas'o vera wrote:
eldarbgamer13 wrote:tau- them not being commies


i resent that remark, they are not commies, they are a:

Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society
ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies presiding over Meritocratic Councils

You copypaste'd that from somewhere else, didn't you?

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Luke_Prowler wrote:
shas'o vera wrote:
eldarbgamer13 wrote:tau- them not being commies


i resent that remark, they are not commies, they are a:

Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society
ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies presiding over Meritocratic Councils

You copypaste'd that from somewhere else, didn't you?


well, yes, but that is besides the point, they are not commies, you ignorant child

Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.

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yes they are, it says that if an ethereal had the mind he could make another tau kill himself gladly. and there must be some corruption in the ethereal heirarchy

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eldarbgamer13 wrote:yes they are, it says that if an ethereal had the mind he could make another tau kill himself gladly. and there must be some corruption in the ethereal heirarchy


thats not communsium, thats mind control, just like the emporer

Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.

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well everyone knows that the imp. is full of commies. as are the tau, `cause the other caste members besides the high command just take orders for the 'Greater Good' supposedly

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eldarbgamer13 wrote:well everyone knows that the imp. is full of commies. as are the tau, `cause the other caste members besides the high command just take orders for the 'Greater Good' supposedly


yes, just like other goverments, like democracy for example

Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.

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Joetaco wrote:
Eldar Own wrote:
I totally agree!! It's probably my biggest problem with the eldar codex. I think that wraitguard should be brought up to 2 attacks and wraithlords up to at least 3, if not 4.


Wraithlords with 3 or 4 attacks? What about dreadnoughts they only have 2 attacks and they don't have the luxury of re-rolling missed attacks.
Another change they should do is either change the fluff to match the miniatures or change the miniatures to match the fluff. Dreadnoughts are not nearly tall enough and orks don't seem broad or tall enough

Dreads can buy extra CCWs to add attacks on, wraithlords can't. Though i do agree with the fact that some minis do not match their background.

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Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':

Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3

Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.

Eldar armies of various sizes W-D-L 26-6-3

 
   
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I would like to see the Witch Hunter's rhino dropped to 35 points and the Immolator dropped to 50 points and Repentia get something like FNP the rest besides the inquisition parts is fine.

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thunderingjove wrote:For the Flash Gits to make sense.


No way that's my favorite part!

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For Eldar make phoenix lords make their aspect troops, because otherwise their point cost is just silly.

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