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Always been a much bigger fan of diversity than assimilation. Nothing wrong with white girls but a man likes some diversity.

Frazzled wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's why I'm a big fan of immigration, more foreign chicks.

Our strength is our diversity!

Sure, keep the men out, let only the women in. I can TOTALLY agree with that

Frazzled wrote:yea then his hawt model wife would kick your Irish keister Custer!



Never mess with a French chick. They are only two steps away from a Mexican chick.

She's Italian.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Frazzled wrote:yea then his hawt model wife would kick your Irish keister Custer!



Never mess with a French chick. They are only two steps away from a Mexican chick.

She's Italian.

Thats doubly dangerous. Thats only one step removed from a Mexican lass. Plus she's probably really good with a stiletto or failing that, meat cleaver.

I cant believe this thread is still going and my gay thread got locked, it was just about to get interesting as i had just admitted i would be willing to spank a man off for a large sum of money!

On topic... Id rather be wearing a Burkha whilst carrying out my paid work!

France has had problems for some time

Media accounts of the riots that spread across France in the fall of 2005 lay the blame squarely on a racist society that has marginalized the children and grandchildren of North African immigrants.

The violence flared again two years later in neighbourhoods outside Paris, following the deaths of two teens who were killed in a crash with a police patrol car in November 2007.

While there is no denying that racism is a factor in these incidents, we need to dig deeper if we are to understand the violence, immigration experts believe.

"There are many other factors involved," Jeffrey Reitz, a University of Toronto sociology professor who studies ethnicity and immigration, told CBC News Online in the wake of the 2005 riots. "It's not the immigrants, but their children, who are a very different group of people."

Reitz said that, in general, when immigrants compare their situation in their adopted country to the life they left behind, they usually find things are better, even if they are discriminated against. And if things don't improve, they often have the option of returning home.

"The second generation can't go back as easily and have been told in school they should be treated equally. When it doesn't happen, there's disappointment," Reitz said.

Canada's ambassador to France, Claude Laverdure, agreed. "There's a deep frustration of being seen as immigrants for young people who were born in France," Laverdure told CBC Newsworld two years ago.

Bloodshed in the suburbs

And so conditions were ripe for violence in France's immigrant suburbs when two teenagers of African origin were accidentally electrocuted in October 2005 while hiding from police. Police said they weren't chasing the teens, but anger erupted into chaos in several Paris suburbs heavily populated by immigrants and their children.

The trouble later spread to other regions throughout the country and the riots quickly deteriorated into France's worst civil unrest in decades, claiming at least one life. The violence ebbed and the headlines stopped, but the tensions beneath French society continue to simmer. On a normal night in 2007, police estimate about 100 cars are set ablaze across France.

Then, in November 2007, two teens were killed in a crash with a police patrol car in the Paris suburb of Villiers-le-Bel.

Youth took to the streets, throwing Molotov cocktails, setting police barricades on fire and, in a disturbing escalation of the violence, injuring dozens of police officers with gunfire.

So the 2nd generation can have issues if everything isn't roses? Thats a pathetic joke and a copout. You don't see massive riots daily in the US and Canada by 2nd generation immigrants (ok maybe after a game of Basketball or Hockey...).

Maybe if they went cossack on the rioters it would stop?

I like this the best:

On a normal night in 2007, police estimate about 100 cars are set ablaze across France.

Thousands of people would be dead here, as the turkeys were shot by car owners, thus solving the problem. You don't feth with a man's car.

The second generation muslims feel discriminated against.

The average white french person feels intimidated by muslim youths rioting.

Poor comunication is the root cause of the problem

I'm not entirely sure that the riots in France were really down to race relations and not more because of external circumstances. There was a lot of ill feeling amongst the youth because of the death of the two youngsters and this was hyped and increased by anti-establishment groups and general disaffection.

I'm not trying to claim that France doesn't have deep lying race divisions, just that the riots were more an outburst of anti authority feeling over the deaths of those two kids rather than anything race specific. Greece saw something similar recently when a teenager was killed (accidentally I believe) by police and it sparked a wave of riots.

loki old fart wrote:The second generation muslims feel discriminated against.

The average white french person feels intimidated by muslim youths rioting.

Poor comunication is the root cause of the problem

Sorry I don't see where communication is the problem here.

Frazzled wrote:So the 2nd generation can have issues if everything isn't roses? Thats a pathetic joke and a copout. You don't see massive riots daily in the US and Canada by 2nd generation immigrants (ok maybe after a game of Basketball or Hockey...).

Maybe if they went cossack on the rioters it would stop?

I like this the best:

On a normal night in 2007, police estimate about 100 cars are set ablaze across France.

Thousands of people would be dead here, as the turkeys were shot by car owners, thus solving the problem. You don't feth with a man's car.

The problem in France (and Britain too) is that the second generation have noticed there are lots less jobs for people who made the mistake of not being born with white skin.

US car production would be greatly improved if about 100 cars got set alight on a normal night.

Kilkrazy wrote:

The problem in France (and Britain too) is that the second generation have noticed there are lots less jobs for people who made the mistake of not being born with white skin.

US car production would be greatly improved if about 100 cars got set alight on a normal night.

There's not a lot of jobs if your white either

Probably really suck if you're plaid.

aka_tizz wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's why I'm a big fan of immigration, more foreign chicks.

Our strength is our diversity!

Sure, keep the men out, let only the women in. I can TOTALLY agree with that

You had me at 'hello'.

Wrexasaur wrote:Sorry mate, but you appear to be wrong about that. I thought it was actually pretty clear what was intended, though there is obvious room for interpretation.

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=151891504

Ah, fair enough. Thanks for the correction, I was wrong to assume it was a complete ban.


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Hasdrubal wrote:This topic, of course, is then heralded by politicians for political reasons, of course, but the root cause of the problem is cultural.

Disclaimer: I am not stating any position on the Burqa or Niqab nor am I saying that the concept of laicity and its implications are right or wrong. I am only presenting key facts that the discussion hasn't touched on so far.

Thanks for that, I've had the laicity explained to me before but never as clearly as you put it across. Cheers.

I'm left wondering how it relates to the idea of banning the burka in train stations but not in parks, though. Surely it is as offensive in one as it is in the other?

sebster wrote:
I'm left wondering how it relates to the idea of banning the burka in train stations but not in parks, though. Surely it is as offensive in one as it is in the other?

It is; however, in a faux-security context, the guise under which this ban is being introduced, a train station is more of a security threat and logical target for terrorists dressed in burkas. If France flat out banned burkas everywhere then they would leave themselves wide open to accusations of racism (more so than they are if the ban is done as a matter of 'security').

Frazzled wrote:So the 2nd generation can have issues if everything isn't roses? Thats a pathetic joke and a copout. You don't see massive riots daily in the US and Canada by 2nd generation immigrants (ok maybe after a game of Basketball or Hockey...).

The experience of being a Muslim in France is quite different to being an immigrant elsewhere. In addition to the racism Government policy put large numbers of refugees in the same areas and didn't do much to help them get jobs. The result was ghettos with high unemployment, which in turn led to resentment.

Empchild wrote:Shuma do you ever actually convey a real point or just banter people? I am curious you now goback on my ignore list until you can be a legitimate part of the conversation.

he gets free ride for his trolling.

But certain people have always gotten a free pass around here.


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sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:So the 2nd generation can have issues if everything isn't roses? Thats a pathetic joke and a copout. You don't see massive riots daily in the US and Canada by 2nd generation immigrants (ok maybe after a game of Basketball or Hockey...).

The experience of being a Muslim in France is quite different to being an immigrant elsewhere. In addition to the racism Government policy put large numbers of refugees in the same areas and didn't do much to help them get jobs. The result was ghettos with high unemployment, which in turn led to resentment.

the minor fact that those people have made no attempt in integrate themselves into French society and have instead rioted and howled when France doesn't become the dark age cesspool that they want has -nothing- to do with it right? If they want "home" so bad, they should have stayed home.

Good point. You don't go in a foreign country and demand to be treated as a citizen of that country, especially if you demand it via sticks and stones

Emperors Faithful wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's why I'm a big fan of immigration, more foreign chicks.

Our strength is our diversity!

Sure, keep the men out, let only the women in. I can TOTALLY agree with that

You had me at 'hello'.

This is an immigration policy I can get behind.


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sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:So the 2nd generation can have issues if everything isn't roses? Thats a pathetic joke and a copout. You don't see massive riots daily in the US and Canada by 2nd generation immigrants (ok maybe after a game of Basketball or Hockey...).

The experience of being a Muslim in France is quite different to being an immigrant elsewhere. In addition to the racism Government policy put large numbers of refugees in the same areas and didn't do much to help them get jobs. The result was ghettos with high unemployment, which in turn led to resentment.

Translation-US policy through the early 20s. My point still stands.

Frazzled wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's why I'm a big fan of immigration, more foreign chicks.

Our strength is our diversity!

Sure, keep the men out, let only the women in. I can TOTALLY agree with that

You had me at 'hello'.

This is an immigration policy I can get behind.

All we need to do is get some club bouncers and station them at all the border crossings, ports, and airports. I think we need to move on this idea, now. I'm calling my congressmen.

Tyyr wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's why I'm a big fan of immigration, more foreign chicks.

Our strength is our diversity!

Sure, keep the men out, let only the women in. I can TOTALLY agree with that

You had me at 'hello'.

This is an immigration policy I can get behind.

All we need to do is get some club bouncers and station them at all the border crossings, ports, and airports. I think we need to move on this idea, now. I'm calling my congressmen.

i will gladly increase the national debt in support of this idea. She Who Must Be Obeyed may have a lesser opinion of the idea.

Tyyr wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's why I'm a big fan of immigration, more foreign chicks.

Our strength is our diversity!

Sure, keep the men out, let only the women in. I can TOTALLY agree with that

You had me at 'hello'.

This is an immigration policy I can get behind.

All we need to do is get some club bouncers and station them at all the border crossings, ports, and airports. I think we need to move on this idea, now. I'm calling my congressmen.

You need to inform them to let me in. I wouldn't like to be left out upon landing on JFK/LAX/w/e airport I'd land on. Especially after some 18 hours flight

You've got a 50/50 chance.

I'll sit and cry if i'm not allowed to enter. Hell, after all it was my idea.
Oh, and i promise to bring 5 girls. 90/60/90 and totally AWESOME!!!

The girls are fine, your whiny crying ass will probably be shot.

Ok, i plus with 5 bottles of Jack. And the promise to make it the best party EVER!!!

aka_tizz wrote:Good point. You don't go in a foreign country and demand to be treated as a citizen of that country, especially if you demand it via sticks and stones

What about if you were born there and you are a citizen?

Kilkrazy wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:Good point. You don't go in a foreign country and demand to be treated as a citizen of that country, especially if you demand it via sticks and stones

What about if you were born there and you are a citizen?

then you do time honored Amurican tradition and sue the bas rds?

1 lawyer is worth 100 burned cars. Plus they have an aversion to sunlight, thus keeping the streets clear, but I digress...

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:Good point. You don't go in a foreign country and demand to be treated as a citizen of that country, especially if you demand it via sticks and stones

What about if you were born there and you are a citizen?

then you do time honored Amurican tradition and sue the bas rds?

Yep, and you even have a very reasonable chance of winning

Update: it definitely wouldn't be more stupid than this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20827350/
I think actually nothing is