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the reason to carry dreadnoughts is several fold.

1) greater accuracy. the Dred can be delivered without scattering.

2) you can assault after arriving. a Dred with a 20" assault range is terrifying for many armies. the Dred also has a squad of infantry backing him up too.

Grey Templar wrote:

2) you can assault after arriving. a Dred with a 20" assault range is terrifying for many armies. the Dred also has a squad of infantry backing him up too.

Err, I need to reread the StormRaven rules. I didn't know the Dread could still assault if the Raven moved > 12"....err now I'm thinking about it, can it move and assault too? I don't have my rulebook here at work.

stormraven moves 12"

Disembark 2" from Base

Assault 6"

the Stormraven has the Assault Vehicle rule.

Grey Templar wrote:stormraven moves 12"

Disembark 2" from Base

Assault 6"

the Stormraven has the Assault Vehicle rule.

Oh yeah, for some reason I wasn't getting that in my head. Actually more than 20 isn't, considering the size of a Dreads base? I'll have to play around with that when my Ravens arrive.

Was in GW today, they had a sign saying it could be fielded as Heavy Support in any SM army.

It's a matter of time... likely weeks lol

stormraven moves 12"

Disembark 2" from Base

Assault 6"

But it cant.
The dread moves up fron the rear of the vehicle and not the front where the infantry disembark from.
So either you move 12 forward then rotate the thing 180 to get the dread the assault range and let the infantry lag behind or you let the infantry get the 20 assault range but let the dread lag behind.

Pyriel- wrote:

stormraven moves 12"

Disembark 2" from Base

Assault 6"

But it cant.
The dread moves up fron the rear of the vehicle and not the front where the infantry disembark from.
So either you move 12 forward then rotate the thing 180 to get the dread the assault range and let the infantry lag behind or you let the infantry get the 20 assault range but let the dread lag behind.

Actually I'm home now and they cleared this up in the book;

"For the purposes of claiming/contesting objectives and embarking/disembarking from a Stormraven, measure to and from it's base"

Ah, thats good to hear.

Mind you, you want to lower that craft as much as possible. Valkyries and the like are valued with the oddly low points value that they have because they tend to completely lack the option of cover.

Can you just do that? I mean say cut the stand height in half? or is there a 'must be this tall to take this ride' rule?

Presumably you have to make to with the standard stem in tournaments. But it makes the old Imperial Shortbus one heck of a target.

Thanks for the pics mate. Now I definitely know I won't be getting that model.

No offense to you, I was just hoping it was a case of bad paint / photos on GWs part (As with other models). However I now know it looks like complete gak no matter who makes it / photographs it. (Again no personal offense meant I just think GW made a really y model.

Having just built a SR, I've noticed something interesting. On the wing piece, directly above the engines, there are 4 small 'tabs' (for lack of better word) - it looks like they could be there as a guide for an 'expansion' kit, ala Ork Battlewagon. Could tis be for the GK Psycannons?

UltraPrime wrote:Having just built a SR, I've noticed something interesting. On the wing piece, directly above the engines, there are 4 small 'tabs' (for lack of better word) - it looks like they could be there as a guide for an 'expansion' kit, ala Ork Battlewagon. Could tis be for the GK Psycannons?

are you talking about the area where the bloodstrike missles go?

warboss wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:Having just built a SR, I've noticed something interesting. On the wing piece, directly above the engines, there are 4 small 'tabs' (for lack of better word) - it looks like they could be there as a guide for an 'expansion' kit, ala Ork Battlewagon. Could tis be for the GK Psycannons?

are you talking about the area where the bloodstrike missles go?

Here. And there are similar 'tabs' around cockpit.

Edit - not seeing pic myself, here is direct link - http://flic.kr/p/9fTeNe

I think those 'tabs' are just a feature common on imperial vehicles

lunarman wrote:I think those 'tabs' are just a feature common on imperial vehicles

Nah, they're common feature on Space Marine vehicles.

niallkissick wrote:Was in GW today, they had a sign saying it could be fielded as Heavy Support in any SM army.

probably house rules, methinks...

Pyriel- wrote:

stormraven moves 12"

Disembark 2" from Base

Assault 6"

But it cant.
The dread moves up fron the rear of the vehicle and not the front where the infantry disembark from.
So either you move 12 forward then rotate the thing 180 to get the dread the assault range and let the infantry lag behind or you let the infantry get the 20 assault range but let the dread lag behind.

or turn 90 degrees, and get both in 20" assault range...
the ultimate BA tank hunter:
dread w/ MM and DCCW (HF to get rear armour- you never know)
stormraven w/ TL MM and TL LC
honour guard w/ meltaguns and TH's
captain w/ combi-melta and PF
libby w/ sanguine sword and blood lance
honour guard w/meltaguns and TH's

ouch.

A GW shop having a sign saying any SM army can take it sounds a bit like trying to drum up sales and not being very honest about it.

I still think GW missed the mark. Sure, there are Marine players who will buy it so they can play a 'counts as' Blood Angels army. But, I firmly believe if the latest WD came out and allowed all Marine armies to use this army as, say a Heavy Support choice, then a LOT more Marine players would be out buying at least 1 immediately, possibly more as they play it in the months to come. Additionally, every player who starts any type of Marine army would have another option for there army. Basically, sales won't be as good as they could have been immediately as well as the long term.

I get my Raven today. Excited to start the building process. Thanks for the tutorial!

Still waiting for mine.

When disembarking, just measure from the base. Codex rules. It doesn't have access doors/points like other transports. So those six termies and dread are right up there in front.

Yeh, i thought it was a sales ploy by the store to drum up more sales! i have been building mine bit by bit all weekend!! cant bear to put the top turret on it!!! may have to plasticard up the hole, and mount the LC/PC/AC elsewhere

niallkissick wrote:Yeh, i thought it was a sales ploy by the store to drum up more sales! i have been building mine bit by bit all weekend!! cant bear to put the top turret on it!!! may have to plasticard up the hole, and mount the LC/PC/AC elsewhere

put a RB turret on it. If you want it to turn, plasticard it so it fits. I'm gonna be cutting up a razorback mount and gluing it in place of the stormraven mount.

i urge everyone to see the storm raven in person before hammering it .i saw it in my local gw they had done one up as a crimson fists and one as a grey knight flyer.the model looked a lot better than i thought from the pics.

Sarigar wrote:A GW shop having a sign saying any SM army can take it sounds a bit like trying to drum up sales and not being very honest about it.

I still think GW missed the mark. Sure, there are Marine players who will buy it so they can play a 'counts as' Blood Angels army. But, I firmly believe if the latest WD came out and allowed all Marine armies to use this army as, say a Heavy Support choice, then a LOT more Marine players would be out buying at least 1 immediately, possibly more as they play it in the months to come. Additionally, every player who starts any type of Marine army would have another option for there army. Basically, sales won't be as good as they could have been immediately as well as the long term.

There is absolutely no way whatsoever, period, that this will stay a BA\GK only vehicle, any more then the Land Raider Crusader stayed a Black Templar only vehicle. I suspect it will be open to all marine chapters within, at most, one year, and probably within 6 months.


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Nurglitch wrote:Mind you, you want to lower that craft as much as possible. Valkyries and the like are valued with the oddly low points value that they have because they tend to completely lack the option of cover.

How would doing this not be considered the very definition of "modeling for advantage"? I sure wouldn't allow it, tournament or not.

Ouze wrote:

Sarigar wrote:A GW shop having a sign saying any SM army can take it sounds a bit like trying to drum up sales and not being very honest about it.

I still think GW missed the mark. Sure, there are Marine players who will buy it so they can play a 'counts as' Blood Angels army. But, I firmly believe if the latest WD came out and allowed all Marine armies to use this army as, say a Heavy Support choice, then a LOT more Marine players would be out buying at least 1 immediately, possibly more as they play it in the months to come. Additionally, every player who starts any type of Marine army would have another option for there army. Basically, sales won't be as good as they could have been immediately as well as the long term.

There is absolutely no way whatsoever, period, that this will stay a BA\GK only vehicle, any more then the Land Raider Crusader stayed a Black Templar only vehicle. I suspect it will be open to all marine chapters within, at most, one year, and probably within 6 months.

I hope it'll be GK & BA exclusive at least until 6th ed.
OT- anyone got any ideas about when 6th ed. will hit us?

Keep forgetting to say this since the first glimpes of the SR were floating around. The SR really looks like a gunship I saw on another game. Was something like starcraft but not 100% sure. Was on a youtube music fan vid and saw about 1.5 seconds of it, yeah I know vague as hell right.

But keep thinking GW may of ripped it off another company, one of those they take to the cleaners.

On a non rant subject, got mine yesterday and very cool. Saw it built in shop during the week. Someone else said it but wait till you see it in your hands before you really hate it. Agreed the turret is so out of place but nothing a RB turret won't fix.

Mine will be for my BT army, I already got the green light to use it in friendly games. But you never know, as the baal pred is still BA only as far as I'm aware.

Ouze wrote:There is absolutely no way whatsoever, period, that this will stay a BA\GK only vehicle, any more then the Land Raider Crusader stayed a Black Templar only vehicle. I suspect it will be open to all marine chapters within, at most, one year, and probably within 6 months.

I believe the same thing, but right now it isn't available to all chapters, so putting up such a sign at one store is just odd and smells like false advertising.