Da Butcha wrote:(no prehistoric animals had stone body parts)

and which don't seem to have a clear reason for having a strong Chaotic element. Even if I liked the sculpts, which I don't, I still think that they 'weaken the brand'.

Skaven had ramshackle constructs and surgically altered beasts.
Elves have dragons (and other stuff, depending on the flavor of elf).
Lizardmen had dinosaurs.
Tomb Kings have constructs.
Vampire Counts have skeletal beasties.
Ogre Kingdoms had prehistoric mammals.

Now, both they and their gnoblars seem to have a lot of ramshackle constructions. They seem to have prehistoric beasties which are altered by Chaos (or something) as well as having armor plates hammered on.

Maybe if they had "filled out" the line with Rhinox riders and Mammoths and saber tooths and cave bears and THEN introduced other stuff, I wouldn't have minded, but it just seems not to fit. I'm also just amazed. I thought the rhinos riders were ridiculously popular (and every OK player I know who didn't have them made that decision due to cost, not to desire). Yet, no Rhinox? Instead, we get riding cats? I thought that having the ponderous, chubby ogres on ponderous, chunky mounts would make more sense than mounting them on lean, barrel chested felines.

Eh. Enough people seem to like them, though, so it's clearly just a matter of opinion.

OK ,few answers to few questions to the best of my knowledge:

There is no special character called Jared and Golfang/Golfgang (not sure how you spell him?) will NOT be a n unit upgrade. That is of course not confirmed, but so far my source had been really spot on.
As for magic- all i managed to find is that ogres have 3 augment spells, direct damage spell, hex spell and magic missile spell . Signature spell is also an augment.
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I dont know the points exactly but I have been told scrappy went downa bit, nothing too major but more than just "cosmetic" change.
Big gribblies SLIGHTLY north... (if I remember correctly) and cannon well south of the given value. Hope that helps.
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I imagine it might be the same thing like with Arachnarok spiders- sure, there is a way to fit 3 of them in your army and initially lots of people were going "wow, I am taking three!!!" but then actually you realise they take too many points and you are usually sticking with one. I imagine it might be the same case here. Although personally having cannon that can move and fire and can handle itsle fin CC meaning puny skirmishers/warmachine hunters will not have an easy job of killing it makes it almost an obligatory choice in my books ha ha!

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW, guess most posters can agree on the following:
1.) High quality release

Kroothawk wrote:1.) Maybe the old Rhinox cavalry has the same rules as the new Thundercat cavalry ... or could at least be used "counting as".

2.) Maybe the "new" WD will include rules for Rhinox cavalry.

Da Butcha wrote:I think the high hopes I (and others) had for Rhinox and Mammoth pieces is part of why some of us don't like the new monsters. We've seen and liked what Forgeworld has already made, but then GW puts out something else. Not only is the look of the monsters quite different (is part of its actual face turning to stone?), the monsters seem to violate some of the 'fantasy rules' we've generally expected with Warhammer.

Most Warhammer monsters seem to fit into three categories (this is, of course, a gross generalization, but bear with me).

There are Warhammer analogues of 'real' mythological creatures, such as dragons, cockatrices, hydras, etc. These creatures help keep the Warhammer world familiar to us as a fantasy analogue of Germany and the surrounding areas. While they might be different in appearance, these monsters spring from a cultural background that we already know about. Even some of the 'exotic' monsters, like the Yhetee, still spring from actual mythology.

There are daemons. While demons are clearly a part of actual, real world mythology, the Warhammer daemons embody both that mythology, and the warping effects of Chaos which is more distinctive to the Warhammer world.

Then, the Lizardmen (and previously, the Ogres) introduced prehistoric creatures (from the real world) as fantasy creatures in Warhammer. Dinosaurs became the Lizardmen monsters, and Woolly Rhinos, Mammoths, and saber tooth tigers all came over and were mentioned, if not actually appearing, in the Ogre Kingdoms.

I'm here excluding the Skaven, which are both a product of Chaos, and a long-established part of Warhammer, and constructs, such as the Tomb Kings constructs and Abominations. Constructs are effectively, 'one-offs' and can pop up anywhere.


Now, we are seeing Ogre Kingdoms monsters which aren't clearly prehistoric monsters (no prehistoric animals had stone body parts) and which don't seem to have a clear reason for having a strong Chaotic element. Even if I liked the sculpts, which I don't, I still think that they 'weaken the brand'.

Skaven had ramshackle constructs and surgically altered beasts.
Elves have dragons (and other stuff, depending on the flavor of elf).
Lizardmen had dinosaurs.
Tomb Kings have constructs.
Vampire Counts have skeletal beasties.
Ogre Kingdoms had prehistoric mammals.

Now, both they and their gnoblars seem to have a lot of ramshackle constructions. They seem to have prehistoric beasties which are altered by Chaos (or something) as well as having armor plates hammered on.


Maybe if they had "filled out" the line with Rhinox riders and Mammoths and saber tooths and cave bears and THEN introduced other stuff, I wouldn't have minded, but it just seems not to fit. I'm also just amazed. I thought the rhinos riders were ridiculously popular (and every OK player I know who didn't have them made that decision due to cost, not to desire). Yet, no Rhinox? Instead, we get riding cats? I thought that having the ponderous, chubby ogres on ponderous, chunky mounts would make more sense than mounting them on lean, barrel chested felines.

Eh. Enough people seem to like them, though, so it's clearly just a matter of opinion.

lord_blackfang wrote:Is this really an issue? Is anyone actually afraid that his opponents will not let him field FW Rhinox riders as Cat Riders?

I'd bank on them making these new models like this because it doubles, not just as a calvary unit but as a beast unit (sabretusk unit). Two units with one stone. People that love their Rhinox riders can just counts-as and maybe buy the kitties for a different unit. At least that's the only logic I can get out of it

chaos0xomega wrote:I just don't understand why they couldn't give us rules for rhinox riders (with minis to come later) and then rules for a gnoblar fast cav sabertusk unit like so many people hoped for. It certainly would make more sense than ogres on cats, wouldn't it

RiTides wrote:You can get the metal baby rhinox from the scraplauncher secondhand, and it fits nicely on a smaller base... but yes, the forgeworld rhinox are "full grown" I believe, and come on chariot bases... i.e. they're gigantic!