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Saw these on the Ogre Stronghold the other day. My 3500 pt ogre army will more than likely just be acquiring the army book and I will sculpt the rest.

kenshin620 wrote:

Mantle wrote:.... ride a big scary monster in to battle.... that eats leaves....

Herbivores tend to be much larger though than carnivores though, and tend to be just as scary!

Dont you mean...



OR-

Far too many tusks and horns for my taste, but I'm not complainiing, tusks and horns are amongst the easiest things to replace/remove/modify.

And great to see GW are finally releasing thunderwolves, even if they look more like thundercats Seriously, they look no sillier than the one official thunderwolf model, and I'm sure someone will quickly work out a way to plonk a marine on top of one... Hmm, and maybe some third party manufacturers will make wolfy resin replacement heads too.

Well, not what I expected, at all.

I'd have to see the face of the mamoth type thing for propper asessment, but the only bad thing here is the way the ogre aree mounted on the sabre-tooth cats things (which look fine to me), they look like the are floating... the rest though is a great new look for OK. The Stonehorn esp is fanastic... like nothing we've seen before.

FTL

i was expecting a lot more then these pictures...very disappointing, i mean WTF is with all those tusks, the models are so busy *sighs*

I was expecting something nice for a new starting army but i suppose the dwarfs or chaos could work..

Looking at the cavalry some more, I think it's a mix breedeof sabertusks and rhinox. Looking at the body build and the feet, it's very rhinoxish, but the head is clearly sabertuskian. Could it be that ogre's are experimenting with crossbreeding?

ChaosxVoid wrote:i was expecting a lot more then these pictures...very disappointing, i mean WTF is with all those tusks, the models are so busy *sighs*

Tusks are the new skulllz

Kroothawk wrote:

ChaosxVoid wrote:i was expecting a lot more then these pictures...very disappointing, i mean WTF is with all those tusks, the models are so busy *sighs*

Tusks are the new skulllz

If people wern't complaining over the too many tusks/too busy models they would instead be complaining that they models were too bland.
Just be happy there is as many new models as there are. You can always take off the details, it is easier to take detail off and change things than it is to add detail.
Some people just can't be pleased.

ceorron wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

ChaosxVoid wrote:i was expecting a lot more then these pictures...very disappointing, i mean WTF is with all those tusks, the models are so busy *sighs*

Tusks are the new skulllz

If people wern't complaining over the too many tusks/too busy models they would instead be complaining that they models were too bland.
Just be happy there is as many new models as there are. You can always take off the details, it is easier to take detail off and change things than it is to add detail.
Some people just can't be pleased.

Some people even complain about other people expressing diferent tastes on a subject, go figure that out... I guess its the human nature hey?

I would like to complain about people who complain about other people who complain!

Surtur wrote:I would like to complain about people who complain about other people who complain!

You cant because thats just to much complaining and that would break the order of the universe, tsk tsk.

I don't mind the Tuskz much, yes they are plenty and everywhere but they can be used to make imposing nice terrain pieces for example... as for Skullz I thing every GW collector has a big bitz box of those.

I think the models look well sculpted, they seem a nice step over the Ogres' previous release. There are some strange design choices but no more than any normal warhammer fantasy release. If you're complaining about too many tusks or how they're infeasable there are soooooo many established things that make about as much sense. If you can suspend disbelief for a steam tanks and magic...this doesn't seem bad at all.

I'm surprised at all the negativity about these, though... I think they're pretty freaking good overall? Especially that first one... don't tell me ogre players aren't going to plop that thing down as a centerpiece and be thrilled with it?

It's also nice that they're getting new different/weird units, because the army is so 1-dimensional as is...

That said, as I posted earlier I think Navarro's point about the big 2-use monster for each fantasy army is a bit of a bummer, but ogres really can use it. However, unless the points-cost of them are quite reasonable, I'm not sure how effective they'll be...

The only model I think is silly is the sabretooth cat riders... they remind me of the savage orc board riders where they're perched on top in an unrealistic fashion. But still, I have to think that ogre players must be thrilled to have these units, and can convert accordingly?

ceorron wrote:

If people wern't complaining over the too many tusks/too busy models they would instead be complaining that they models were too bland.
Just be happy there is as many new models as there are. You can always take off the details, it is easier to take detail off and change things than it is to add detail.
Some people just can't be pleased.

There is a difference between lots of well composed detail and a disorganised array of detail
The various parts don't make up a pleasing whole.
Leaving things off is a good suggestion if they are not necessary for gameplay or taste, but for my taste the mammoth has bits of skin missing and some sort of weird fisease, probably due to malnutrition.
That also contributes to making the detailing too fussy.

FWIW, this is not complaining but an aesthetic judgement and an expression of personal taste.
In the same way that many seem to like these beasties and are rightfully able express their delight.
Both views are valid on a discussion forum.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Again, there's a very very strong WoW graphics look to the whole lot. Which is a shame as GW had a great aesthetic to it before this 'jagged extreme' look started having a major influence.

Exactly what I was thinking, it reminds me a lot of WoW's style...and I really don't want WHF or 40k turning into that. Not a fan of those unnatural-looking jagged-ass horns/tusks. I don't mind stuff being a little over-the-top now and then but this is too much for me.

Don't really understand the catbears, either. Why not rhinox cavalry? Isn't that one of the things Ogre players have been wanting/expecting this whole time? Is that the only reason, just so they can say "Boo, guess you didn't see that one coming huh?!"...the big monster will sell because people will no doubt find ways to "fix" it, these things I see people avoiding altogether though.

Maybe if the guys on the cats aren't already attached to the chairs you could forget the chair and move them down the body a bit in to a more riding pose.

RiTides wrote:I'm surprised at all the negativity about these, though... I think they're pretty freaking good overall? Especially that first one... don't tell me ogre players aren't going to plop that thing down as a centerpiece and be thrilled with it?

I would like to buy it, but I probably won't. It'd be too much work assembling it and painting it just to watch it die on the first turn to cannon.

I know I keep harping on this but it just beggars the imagination why they keep making these monsters and none of them will survive a fight vs. empire or dwarfs past the first turn of shooting. Unless they're 200 pts each, then maybe they'd be worth it and take the place of my poor slave giant that usually serves as my cannon attractant for the first turn.

NAVARRO wrote:

Surtur wrote:I would like to complain about people who complain about other people who complain!

You cant because thats just to much complaining and that would break the order of the universe, tsk tsk.

I don't mind the Tuskz much, yes they are plenty and everywhere but they can be used to make imposing nice terrain pieces for example... as for Skullz I thing every GW collector has a big bitz box of those.

lol guys. There is already too much complaining in this forum and that was kinda my original complaint.

Wow. The new kits are intimidating to say the least, albeit a little on the cluttered side.

Can't wait till more details are released.

Shawn G. (SoI)

Anung Un Rama wrote:I don't quite understand this one:



Does it have two set of tusks?

If some clever folks in the resin bits businesses want to start sketching up now, I'd suggest heads like this:

Oh yes! A Mammoth head would be awesome!

Not for my Ogre army, because they're pirates, but it would still be really cool.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Oh yes! A Mammoth head would be awesome!

Not for my Ogre army, because they're pirates, but it would still be really cool.

You'd be wantin a giant crab then matey... Or a vicious walrus... Arrrgh!

Anung Un Rama wrote:Oh yes! A Mammoth head would be awesome!

Not for my Ogre army, because they're pirates, but it would still be really cool.

Oh, I think a Mammoth with an eyepatch and tricorn hat could look really wicked.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Oh yes! A Mammoth head would be awesome!

Not for my Ogre army, because they're pirates, but it would still be really cool.

Oh, I think a Mammoth with an eyepatch and tricorn hat could look really wicked.

Needs some more hair:

That is incredibly awesome.

I understand why people might think these are OTT, but IMO Ogres were badly in need of some style. More fat guys riding nondescript furry beasts weren't going to move the needle. Plus, Ogres are probably the army most deserving of OTT large monsters.

Yeah, I agree, but I would have liked more Neolithic like they'd gone for with the beasties to that point. The monsters they got here are ok, I like that stonehorn thing, but the fat sabretusks and the pinheaded not-mammoth could really have been done better with some style rather than stylised.

Consider how much better ogres riding these would have looked:

I think the high hopes I (and others) had for Rhinox and Mammoth pieces is part of why some of us don't like the new monsters. We've seen and liked what Forgeworld has already made, but then GW puts out something else. Not only is the look of the monsters quite different (is part of its actual face turning to stone?), the monsters seem to violate some of the 'fantasy rules' we've generally expected with Warhammer.

Most Warhammer monsters seem to fit into three categories (this is, of course, a gross generalization, but bear with me).

There are Warhammer analogues of 'real' mythological creatures, such as dragons, cockatrices, hydras, etc. These creatures help keep the Warhammer world familiar to us as a fantasy analogue of Germany and the surrounding areas. While they might be different in appearance, these monsters spring from a cultural background that we already know about. Even some of the 'exotic' monsters, like the Yhetee, still spring from actual mythology.

There are daemons. While demons are clearly a part of actual, real world mythology, the Warhammer daemons embody both that mythology, and the warping effects of Chaos which is more distinctive to the Warhammer world.

Then, the Lizardmen (and previously, the Ogres) introduced prehistoric creatures (from the real world) as fantasy creatures in Warhammer. Dinosaurs became the Lizardmen monsters, and Woolly Rhinos, Mammoths, and saber tooth tigers all came over and were mentioned, if not actually appearing, in the Ogre Kingdoms.

I'm here excluding the Skaven, which are both a product of Chaos, and a long-established part of Warhammer, and constructs, such as the Tomb Kings constructs and Abominations. Constructs are effectively, 'one-offs' and can pop up anywhere.


Now, we are seeing Ogre Kingdoms monsters which aren't clearly prehistoric monsters (no prehistoric animals had stone body parts) and which don't seem to have a clear reason for having a strong Chaotic element. Even if I liked the sculpts, which I don't, I still think that they 'weaken the brand'.

Skaven had ramshackle constructs and surgically altered beasts.
Elves have dragons (and other stuff, depending on the flavor of elf).
Lizardmen had dinosaurs.
Tomb Kings have constructs.
Vampire Counts have skeletal beasties.
Ogre Kingdoms had prehistoric mammals.

Now, both they and their gnoblars seem to have a lot of ramshackle constructions. They seem to have prehistoric beasties which are altered by Chaos (or something) as well as having armor plates hammered on.


Maybe if they had "filled out" the line with Rhinox riders and Mammoths and saber tooths and cave bears and THEN introduced other stuff, I wouldn't have minded, but it just seems not to fit. I'm also just amazed. I thought the rhinos riders were ridiculously popular (and every OK player I know who didn't have them made that decision due to cost, not to desire). Yet, no Rhinox? Instead, we get riding cats? I thought that having the ponderous, chubby ogres on ponderous, chunky mounts would make more sense than mounting them on lean, barrel chested felines.

Eh. Enough people seem to like them, though, so it's clearly just a matter of opinion.

I'm suprised there are no new Rhinox models. FW having them doesn't mean GW is prevented from making them. After all, we saw the Drop Pod and Valkry ported over. I guess it's possible Rhinox models will make an appearance in a subsequent wave and that these pictures are just for the first batch. Have to wait and see, I guess.