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Here are the promised pics:

There will be another thin deck on each side, which is going to be the next thing to develop.

and the third is coming! i like your works!

lovley boards...trademark of yours and something i always look forward to in this thread^^

Some improvements, although not everyone is eye catching. Anyway, happy holidays!

Inner texturing done in the "safehouse" in the center of the boat



Secondary decks ready:



Steam wheel done -still drying-:

Cool

the steam wheel is a very nice addition and i probably would have done it absolutly wrong as i would have forgotten about the waterlevel... i probably would have built a full wheel and then later just faepalmed my way through eternity... i do those mistakes all of the time...^^

and merry christmas to ye too... is spain celebrating on the 24st or later on?

Wow, that's very impressive. Steam wheel is cool, are there going to be some huge smokestacks to go along with it?

Are you just modeling these or do you plan on painting them as well? They look fantastic.

Viktor von Domm wrote:the steam wheel is a very nice addition and i probably would have done it absolutly wrong as i would have forgotten about the waterlevel... i probably would have built a full wheel and then later just faepalmed my way through eternity... i do those mistakes all of the time...^^

and merry christmas to ye too... is spain celebrating on the 24st or later on?

Facepalming is a very common activity when creating scenery xD

And yes, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th, so we gather our loved ones for supper, go to our houses to sleep, and on the 25th, we have dinner with the family.

Zefig wrote:Wow, that's very impressive. Steam wheel is cool, are there going to be some huge smokestacks to go along with it?

I was not planning on creating smokestacks. I am reserving that for the dwarven ship.

This ship is loosely (or not so loosely) inspired on this image:


It is much smaller, so I am scaling down the whole concept. It retains the two-mast configuration, but the center "fort" has become an enclosed hut of sorts, and I am considering fitting up to six per side oars on the lower decks. I am not sure of how to make them fit yet, however, since the deck is barely 2cm wide (the width of a warhammer fantasy infantry miniature base) and I don't want them getting into the way of the miniatures.

Any suggestions for that? Maybe I can find help here, as you helped me with the removable mast system.

runmymouth wrote:Are you just modeling these or do you plan on painting them as well? They look fantastic.

Take a look at the rest of the thead. If you are careful, you will notice I have documented the painting process of the two ships I have already finished.

In addition, you can find two videos featuring these ships here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/2500kgm3/videos

well then i hope you have a good and tasty dinner ahead of ye...and from what i have heard... ye spanish are quite capable cooks...and a half^^

as for the oars... in that pic you showed...on the bog ship there are no oars to be seen? are you sure there should be any? i thought the steam wheel would be all for the propulsion... or if the lower decks as you siad should hold some means for propulsion there too i would guess some more wheels...smaller ones now would be a good idea... also you could use a trick...the oars could be from playmobil or lego maybe and thus be much more sturdy than anything selfmade... currently i see no way to make removable ones... i think the pull and tear possibilities on that part of the ship would work against such an idea...my thoughts only...^^

Ooh, yeah, oars are probably going to be a lot more difficult. I'm assuming they come out of those small rectangular portholes on the sides? How do you feel about magnetizing?

that could be an option too... maybe magnetized oars made from sprue parts?`to get that extra bit of sturdiness?

If you're okay with magnetizing, something like this might work:



The one on the left is using the portholes as given. On the right, they're coming out of the walkway, which would completely avoid interference from minis on the walkway, and I think it would still make some sense from a shipbuilder's point of view. Maybe not though, I'm not too studied in that arena.

The structure in black is just to hold magnets, and tilts at an angle to give the oars a tilt into the "water" or what-have-you. Mounting them with magnets makes them removable, and also provides a pivot point so you'll be able to pose the oars to some extent.

Viktor von Domm wrote:well then i hope you have a good and tasty dinner ahead of ye...and from what i have heard... ye spanish are quite capable cooks...and a half^^

as for the oars... in that pic you showed...on the bog ship there are no oars to be seen? are you sure there should be any? i thought the steam wheel would be all for the propulsion... or if the lower decks as you siad should hold some means for propulsion there too i would guess some more wheels...smaller ones now would be a good idea... also you could use a trick...the oars could be from playmobil or lego maybe and thus be much more sturdy than anything selfmade... currently i see no way to make removable ones... i think the pull and tear possibilities on that part of the ship would work against such an idea...my thoughts only...^^

Maybe you're right and I am overdoing this boat. I should keep it more simple.

Zefig wrote:Ooh, yeah, oars are probably going to be a lot more difficult. I'm assuming they come out of those small rectangular portholes on the sides? How do you feel about magnetizing?

I intended to keep them fixed to the main hull, since I am not very good with magnets.

Viktor von Domm wrote:that could be an option too... maybe magnetized oars made from sprue parts?`to get that extra bit of sturdiness?

I was thinking of wodden toothpics, even if it's kind of cheating as the oars would not be made of cardboard, something I sometimes find myself boasting of xD

Zefig wrote:If you're okay with magnetizing, something like this might work:

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The one on the left is using the portholes as given. On the right, they're coming out of the walkway, which would completely avoid interference from minis on the walkway, and I think it would still make some sense from a shipbuilder's point of view. Maybe not though, I'm not too studied in that arena.

The structure in black is just to hold magnets, and tilts at an angle to give the oars a tilt into the "water" or what-have-you. Mounting them with magnets makes them removable, and also provides a pivot point so you'll be able to pose the oars to some extent.

I am not studied in ship-building either. Most times, I get the proportions of the boats and the general disposition... and I just go by rule of cool and ease of construction.

Your diagrams are quite interesting. The first one would be interfering with the miniature path, but your second one is fine. What I had in mind, however, was creating a small seabase glued to the ship where the oars would sink on the water, to make them more sturdy, then create some kind of supporting structure for the oars, so they could be grabbed by miniatures on the lower decks.




But maybe that's way too much work and will make the model busier. Maybe Vik is right, and I should keep it simpler and forget about the oars. In addition, it would be much easier to paint and give a coat of varnish.

What do you think?

What I had in mind, however, was creating a small seabase glued to the ship where the oars would sink on the water, to make them more sturdy, then create some kind of supporting structure for the oars, so they could be grabbed by miniatures on the lower decks.

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i like that idea... a base...kind of.,.. that is the right way to do it... and a work can never be too complicated or too busy... not on that size anyway... the oars i would not leave off if i was you... i think maybe you should go for more like...chineese food sticks...you get those in restaurants...once usable... would be better as they are a bit thicker... you dont want to get too punny looking for them oars... if you want a good looking mdel to everything in your ability to make it happen... and the amount of work you already did and did to others... you just don´t want it done cheapo now...i think that is not your style... your models look expensive... and heck... when you think about it... wood is just densed cardboard^^


vik

As always, looking outstanding!

Sorry about that, thanks for the youtube link. Love the boats and again fanastic work!

I think a base definitely sounds like a good idea, for exactly the reasons you listed.

Finally some progress has been done, even if it is minor. The holidays are an awful time for me to work. I hope to be back to my usual working rate soon (but not yet).

In short, I have assembled a small part of the lower hull. The main hull will be next. And then, detailing should come.

Note I also added a hatch in the rear deck, since this ship has no door to go below decks.

very good looking... and may i say this... begun with making my own tries at generating wooden textures...this time with plasticcard...you have inspired me to do that^^

By the way, I just had a chance to give Mordheim a try, so I rushed something to be able to create a table to play. The only thing which was final on that table was the two ships you have already seen, and they saw a lot of action.

There were three warbands, two pirates and my skaven. Fast rats who try to jump onboard a ship only to miscalculate, collide into the hull, and drown, were hilarious. And one pirate captain fell from 7cm high when he was trying to get off his boat, and hit the floor so hard he was taken out of action and he lost an arm forever. No more two-handed weapons for you, pirate man! Fortunately, pirate warbands have the option to get hook weapons if they lose an arm, like that captain did. He might even consider it a good outcome!

The narrative aspect of Mordheim is great, and it's inexpensive when compared to 40k or Fantasy. It was so much fun, my urge to finish my Space Marine force has decreased, and I can't wait to play a propper campaign with propper scenery.

Some pics of the rushed scenery. I only had the cardboard ships and temple at my home, so we improvised a harbour with the half-done scenery and wodden ship my friends brought:

Yes! Like Necromunda it is MUCH cheaper to play! I'm glad you got the Mordheim bug!

sounds like you had a heap of fun!
if there where still peeps here that play munda or mordheim...i probably would have a running game by now... i like the storyline aspect of that game way better than epic battles...
also my ever tried hame in tabletaop was actually a german adaption of the mordheim game in the universe of the black eye...(german game of pen and paper rpg...)

that small rushed up scene looks lovley... who did that styropor tower? nice detailing already to be seen...


and the flock of ships look very good together!

And now, more progress:

These are really poor quality pics, but I hope you can see one side of the main hull already built



And the second layer of detail for that side waiting to be glued on top of it.



I hope to be showing you that side of the hull mostly finished by the time of the next update.

is that glove for handprotection when cutting? that must be really straining for you all that cutting...i can just imagine how sore your fingers become after so much detailwork...but it was worth it!

Viktor von Domm wrote:is that glove for handprotection when cutting? that must be really straining for you all that cutting...i can just imagine how sore your fingers become after so much detailwork...but it was worth it!

Exactly! After losing my finger skin and having my muscle exposed two times, and having to wait for it to heal again, the leather glove allows me to work without pain, with a minimal loss of control. a worthy tradeoff.

This is impressive work. Keep going.

2500kgm3 wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:is that glove for handprotection when cutting? that must be really straining for you all that cutting...i can just imagine how sore your fingers become after so much detailwork...but it was worth it!

Exactly! After losing my finger skin and having my muscle exposed two times, and having to wait for it to heal again, the leather glove allows me to work without pain, with a minimal loss of control. a worthy tradeoff.

safety always comes first!!!

after all we are really depending on your to chuck out more eyecandy ^^

Maybe you need a softer knife handle?

2500kgm3 wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:is that glove for handprotection when cutting? that must be really straining for you all that cutting...i can just imagine how sore your fingers become after so much detailwork...but it was worth it!

Exactly! After losing my finger skin and having my muscle exposed two times, and having to wait for it to heal again, the leather glove allows me to work without pain, with a minimal loss of control. a worthy tradeoff.

I used to wrap my fingertips in duct tape after my third or fourth accidental cut to the bone ... I am used to modeling at that scale in wood, which has been easier to utilize once I completed my steam box.

Just a question, but what sort of 'cardboard' is that? Where do you get your materials from?