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Can the rules just come out already? That way all the rumors and hating will stop.

timd wrote:Can't really see that as the cover of the new rulebook, but if it is, what are we going to call it? The big puke green rulebook (BPGR)?

I'd go with the BYDARPh

(Big Yellow Dark Angels Recruitment Pamphlet)

mmmmm moving wall of fire with Guardsmen using frfsrf 10 men putting out 27 (30 if we get to give the sgt a lasgun) shots at 24" and can always wound on a 6..

Dr. Delorean wrote:@pretre: The link 'twas posted naught one page ago, dear sir.

Really? No way! Or I posted it so you didn't have to click the link.

Ok, almost back on topic...

There was mention of a "special edition" or "collectors' edition" of the rulebook.

However, I could have been mistaken on that, so...
(it could have just been the starter?)

1 - Has there been a special edition of the rulebook before?
2 - If yes, what was "special" about it?

thanks!~

Leather cover I think, with fancy effects. Might have had a 40K book in a metal case at one point, not 100%

They have also had a copy of the book, any new counters etc with a themed Bag for the last three releases (at least the last three anyays, I am 100% certain on 8th fantasy and 4th and 5th 40K, not so sure on 7th fantasy.)

Formosa wrote:

pretre wrote:

Nice photoshop looking cover, it does look badass to be fair, but as i said it looks photoshoped, hope its real as i love DA

That doesn't look photoshopped to me. It's heavily artifacted and could be shopped but it doesn't have any obvious signs of being altered.

Previous special editions were bound in leather, sold in metal ammo crate cases and sold in special cardboard slip sleeves.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Formosa wrote:

pretre wrote:

Nice photoshop looking cover, it does look badass to be fair, but as i said it looks photoshoped, hope its real as i love DA

That doesn't look photoshopped to me. It's heavily artifacted and could be shopped but it doesn't have any obvious signs of being altered.

its the warhammer 40k logo that looks wonky so it looked photoshopped to me

Mezmaron wrote:Strength vs Toughness chart changed to be like fantasy, so everything can be wounded on a 6.

My MC's are really going to enjoy those Lasguns...

S3 already wounds t6 on a 6+. As far as t7 goes, you can make 2 or 3 armor saves a turn, it's going to be ok.

tetrisphreak wrote:S3 already wounds t6 on a 6+. As far as t7 goes, you can make 2 or 3 armor saves a turn, it's going to be ok.

Yeah, I sounded quite pessimistic, my bad...but there's always that chance

Also, does this mean that S1 could wound T10? Isn't that a bit silly?

Always the slight change that you hit a monster in the eyeball I guess.

TheSneak109 wrote:

Mezmaron wrote:Strength vs Toughness chart changed to be like fantasy, so everything can be wounded on a 6.

My MC's are really going to enjoy those Lasguns...

I don't really understand the point of this change, it just makes the efficacy of high toughness as a defensive measure truly less effective. It could open up the gates for more ubiquitous T8 or above though which could be cool.

Maybe it forces you to play tactically with high toughness creatures? Just because you are T7 doesn't mean that you can just march across the table in the open.

Formosa wrote:its the warhammer 40k logo that looks wonky so it looked photoshopped to me

It looks wonky because of the angled lines in the image behind it.

d-usa wrote:Maybe it forces you to play tactically with high toughness creatures? Just because you are T7 doesn't mean that you can just march across the table in the open.

That would imply that that has ever been the case. Which it hasn't. Most MCs can be easily brought down in a single turn of shooting and if you're not ignoring st4 at least than the immunity to low strength fire is effectively meaningless anyway.

ShumaGorath wrote:

TheSneak109 wrote:

Mezmaron wrote:Strength vs Toughness chart changed to be like fantasy, so everything can be wounded on a 6.

My MC's are really going to enjoy those Lasguns...

I don't really understand the point of this change, it just makes the efficacy of high toughness as a defensive measure truly less effective. It could open up the gates for more ubiquitous T8 or above though which could be cool.

It seems to be more of a philosophical change than anything else. It ensures that a unit won't get locked in combat with something it can *never* hurt.

Although this is more clear-cut in WHFB, where everything has the same attributes on their statline. 40K's vehicles complicate it (walkers, specifically, since you can't be locked down by anything else). But who knows, maybe they'll say a 6 always glances a walker, or do something else to make them a less hopeless encounter for improperly-equipped infantry.

This would likely have more effect in melee than in shooting. a wraithlord would no longer be immortal in melee with Kroot or Guardsman.

I saw a meltdown at a tourni where one of the players charged a wraithlord with his full kroot squad only to discover the pain of his decision later.

As far as the play for fun/WAAC/tournament player argument that occupied the prior page, i have to say that you can play however you want. Just make sure your opponent is on the same page as you. Playing a fluffy army against a honed tourni list is no fun at all. And in answer to someones post about how no one enters a match with the hopes of loosing. Not true. There are less experienced players at my local club that i have seriously dumbed my army down when i faced them. I started off with the intent that they would have the best chance of winning possible. They still usually lost because they made some wonky decisions or one or two critical rolls didnt go their way. But what was most important to me was that they had fun and that i did too. i always meter my list so that it balances well with the level/style of play that i expect my foe to bring. that is all.

I don't play to win. I play to have fun. If I loose, no big deal. It's not life altering if I don't win with plastic toy soldiers.

Davor wrote:I don't play to win. I play to have fun.

You been paying attention at all? These two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they're not even dependant on one another. You do play to win, because you don't play to lose or to draw.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Davor wrote:I don't play to win. I play to have fun.

You been paying attention at all? These two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they're not even dependant on one another. You do play to win, because you don't play to lose or to draw.

Oh but I do. When I play agasint my son, I don't play to win or tie lots of time.

ShumaGorath wrote:

TheSneak109 wrote:

Mezmaron wrote:Strength vs Toughness chart changed to be like fantasy, so everything can be wounded on a 6.

My MC's are really going to enjoy those Lasguns...

I don't really understand the point of this change, it just makes the efficacy of high toughness as a defensive measure truly less effective. It could open up the gates for more ubiquitous T8 or above though which could be cool.

How many models in the game are even affected by this? If I recall correctly, the only toughness 8 model is the Wraithlord, and the only toughness 7 model is the C'tan Shard. Neither of those are commonly fielded, at least in my experience, so this change wouldn't exactly shake up the game much.

Dark eldar pain engines (both types) are toughness 7 as well.

See that change I won't mind, will give my Guardsmen with lasguns something more than Harsh language to use against the Talos.

d-usa wrote:Always the slight change that you hit a monster in the eyeball I guess.

Yea but GW uses base 6 for their system so a 16% chance to wound t4 through t10 with str 1 is laughable. Surely the odds would vary as you move up the chart.

Red Corsair wrote:

d-usa wrote:Always the slight change that you hit a monster in the eyeball I guess.

Yea but GW uses base 6 for their system so a 16% chance to wound t4 through t10 with str 1 is laughable. Surely the odds would vary as you move up the chart.

Maybe they'll use the same system they use for 7+ to hit in WHFB, one can hope.

Red Corsair wrote:

d-usa wrote:Always the slight change that you hit a monster in the eyeball I guess.

Yea but GW uses base 6 for their system so a 16% chance to wound t4 through t10 with str 1 is laughable. Surely the odds would vary as you move up the chart.

Myabe 6th ed will use a D20 system?

D6 systems have inherant weaknesses and that is a good example of one

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:See that change I won't mind, will give my Guardsmen with lasguns something more than Harsh language to use against the Talos.

I concur. I love seeing IG "flashlights" take down the big gribblies.

Hey in second they used every die under the sun even sustained fire


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Grimtuff wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:

d-usa wrote:Always the slight change that you hit a monster in the eyeball I guess.

Yea but GW uses base 6 for their system so a 16% chance to wound t4 through t10 with str 1 is laughable. Surely the odds would vary as you move up the chart.

Maybe they'll use the same system they use for 7+ to hit in WHFB, one can hope.

+1 this would be exceptable