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You have to take into account the rumors of a new codex for chaos being around the corner. The current selection may be from the height of 4e blandhammer but its not likely to last long.

Mandor wrote:

Fishboy wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Great pic. Too bad the DE seem to be getting the shaft in a lot of these rumors. We'll see. If they make skimmers harder to shoot, lose penalties for open-topped, and dark lances are deadlier, then maybe the trade-off is valid.

I am holding out until I see the rules but the rumors have me terrified that my Coven list is hosed.....all that money....sigh.....

Look on the bright side, you can always pick up GK as your next army, they're not that expensive... GW seems to be forcing people to play SM anyway. 40k is not meant for competitive play, apparently. That is, as long as you're playing a Xenos army.

Well if my theory on the lore is true and the Imperium starts to crumble under its own weight, then Space Marines can potentially have wars between themselves. Then GW can kill off all the other races, eldar die out, Tau shut up and just hide, necrons go take a nap, nids just go away, and everyone else goes with them.

From what I'm seeing of the new pychic powers chart I am already furious, if they change the eldar lore I will quit, I almost quit from the necron update, this game to me is cool battles and stories in an interesting universe, but if their going to pull out a "oh but wait he has THIS power too and hes immune to EVERYTHING" then its just not going to fun to me or any of my friends, none of the five of us play any inperium. I don't want to play a game where I'm just an interesting target to be slaughtered and it makes me sad that in this game I have to worry about that. I have been to the skein and seen a terrible flow in the strands of fate.

Sincerely, a concerned farseer

PS thank you for listening to my raging rant/ next ed. theory......kinda

kenzosan wrote:I have little faith in 6th edition if vanilla marines are gonna be stronger in psyker powers than chaos marines. Unless chaos get their own psyker abilites not in the core rulebook, I'm done. Vanilla marines have tons of restrictions on them and yet they have more access to psyker powers than chaos marines who are tied to the damn warp, the source of power for psykers.

How do you think Eldar players feel? They've seen their powers get more irrelevant with almost every codex release since 5th edition. And now almost every marine army and their offspring get access to more psychic powers than they do. At least your CSM codex is (rumored to be) close to launch.

Altruizine wrote:If a Hive Fleet showed up at the same time a Cult was causing chaos they would coordinate.

No they would not. Hormagaunts don't look at a Brood Brother as a friend and ally. They look at him as food.

Genestealer Cults get eaten by the swarm just like everything else.

insaniak wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Major rule splits between tournament/competitive and casual games doesn't sound good for the game to me. I can't think of any other game that has made something like that work well.

Tournaments having a 'no allies' rule isn't really what I would classify as a 'major rules split'...

Many tournaments had such a rule for the entire lifespan of the DH and WH codexes, and all the way through 2nd edition. It wasn't a problem for most players.

It was nice though to have an edition where a tourny could simply list a point total and call it a day instead of back in 3rd edition where they had to either exclude or include specific white dwarf lists, variant and temporary codex armies (like armageddon or 13th crusade), etc. I agree that it's not a major split but the whole situation could have easily been resolved with a few words in the book ("with opponent's permission"). Who knows... maybe there is a line in there with that and the few people that glanced at the book just didn't notice it.

Fetterkey wrote:Allies honestly seem like they are unambiguously good for the game. If they're broken, then TOs won't allow them, so you'll only see them in fun games. If they're not broken, then they'll substantially add to the fun and diversity of the game. Either way, the playerbase wins.

Wait, hold up... two things here cannot work together:

"...unambiguously good for the game..."
"If they're broken, then TOs won't allow them..."

If they're (potentially) broken, then how are they then "unambiguously good"?

Mandor wrote:

kenzosan wrote:I have little faith in 6th edition if vanilla marines are gonna be stronger in psyker powers than chaos marines. Unless chaos get their own psyker abilites not in the core rulebook, I'm done. Vanilla marines have tons of restrictions on them and yet they have more access to psyker powers than chaos marines who are tied to the damn warp, the source of power for psykers.

How do you think Eldar players feel? They've seen their powers get more irrelevant with almost every codex release since 5th edition. And now almost every marine army and their offspring get access to more psychic powers than they do. At least your CSM codex is (rumored to be) close to launch.

I play both, check my sig. I'm just staying there is absolutely no reason for chaos to be worse than vanilla in psyker powers. Eldar may limit themselves because of their past. But why would chaos ever limit their powers. I can explain Eldar, I can't explain Chaos.

Question, if I play allied CSM and used Chaos Daemon allies, Can I, say, have bloodletters as my only troops? Or will I be forced to fulfill the force organization chart from CSM before taking allies?

kenzosan wrote:

Mandor wrote:

kenzosan wrote:I have little faith in 6th edition if vanilla marines are gonna be stronger in psyker powers than chaos marines. Unless chaos get their own psyker abilites not in the core rulebook, I'm done. Vanilla marines have tons of restrictions on them and yet they have more access to psyker powers than chaos marines who are tied to the damn warp, the source of power for psykers.

How do you think Eldar players feel? They've seen their powers get more irrelevant with almost every codex release since 5th edition. And now almost every marine army and their offspring get access to more psychic powers than they do. At least your CSM codex is (rumored to be) close to launch.

I play both, check my sig. I'm just staying there is absolutely no reason for chaos to be worse than vanilla in psyker powers. Eldar may limit themselves because of their past. But why would chaos ever limit their powers. I can explain Eldar, I can't explain Chaos.

That is true, the eldar do intentionally limit themselves, but thats no reason to make them just fodder for space marines and the other armies, which is what I fear.

I DO NOT WISH TO GO THE WAY OF SQUATS!

Phragonist wrote:Question, if I play allied CSM and used Chaos Daemon allies, Can I, say, have bloodletters as my only troops? Or will I be forced to fulfill the force organization chart from CSM before taking allies?

The rumours so far are saying you have to fill your compulsory slots from your own list first.

Exactly what you can take as allies is still unclear.

Cypher's Sword wrote:, none of the five of us play any inperium...

You're doing it wrong.

It's a game for humans, written by humans, who's central characters are humans.

Eldar - Dying Race who likes to prance into hand to hand
Dark Eldar - Dying Race who wears leather and prances into hand to hand
Squats - Dying Race that doesn't even gets mentioned, that's how few of them there are left.
Necrons - Dead Race - Space Marine Tough, but really they are just on borrowed time. No one will really care about them until the next Terminator movie comes out.
Tyranids - Intergalactic Boogeymen. There for target practice, and eating people unfortunate enough not to be space marines.
Chaos Marines - Marine Group that should be getting smaller all the time, and should be gone already reallly, but GW's sculptors love to sculpt bizzare stuff so they keep going.

Genestealer Cults - Should still exist but somehow GW does there damndest to ignore them.

Orks - suppossedly the largest armed population of all the known races in the univerese. Too busy with civil wars to actually be a signicant threat. Somehow evolved to have inferior eyesight and can no longer use ranged weapons as effectively as most races do.

Guys, we will be moving all 6th ed convos over to this thread -

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456706.page

Kroot is pretty good about keeping the title up to date etc, so it will help us avoid duplicates... thanks for your understanding and by all means pick up where you left off!

Cheers guys -