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I don't feel like Orks did too bad really.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456724.page

Orks also got three perfectly viable fliers, Manz that laugh at powerweapons, Stormboyz getting I10 attacks, less mishaps, and a higher chance to succeed in charging after deep striking, deff rollas no longer being useless against skimmers, and orks being the best at snap-firing. We weren't doing much else in the first place.

So, if the sky is falling, us orks are going to punch it.

matphat wrote:I don't feel like Orks did too bad really.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456724.page

Completely agree with this post. Orks came out pretty well.

Dark Eldar FAQ wrote:
Page 25 Poisoned shooting weapons.
Change the fourth sentence to read "These weapons cannot damage enemy vehicles".

Now, it may be that I'm not a native English speaker, but far as I can tell, the 4th sentence in the DE codex for poisoned shooting weapons already said that... So did they just wanna rub it in that our splinter weapons can't hurt any vehicle? Or do they want us to really take out the sentence that reads, "These weapons cannot damage enemy vehicles" to "These weapons cannot damage enemy vehicles", just so it drills into our head that we can't damage an enemy vehicle with our poisoned shooting weapon?

I'm less upset but more like... amused...

Listen, DE, you can't hurt enemy vehicles in case you were trying to poison them before!

Nope, you can't!

Just when i got used to doing DOA lists...............................................
Epic Fail, GW. Epic Fail.

Jidmah wrote:Orks also got three perfectly viable fliers, Manz that laugh at powerweapons, Stormboyz getting I10 attacks, less mishaps, and a higher chance to succeed in charging after deep striking, deff rollas no longer being useless against skimmers, and orks being the best at snap-firing. We weren't doing much else in the first place.

So, if the sky is falling, us orks are going to punch it.

Well said.

We'll just have to adapt

I've got my rant out. Now to sit down and really go through the ork dex and figure out new ways to beat face...

*puts his mek goggles on*



My DE, however, are still well and truly boned, but they will be prettiest underpowered army on the field

RIP Nids for 6th, looks like new hobby time for me. Whatever.

60mm wrote:RIP Nids for 6th, looks like new hobby time for me. Whatever.

Why exactly are people claiming nids so bad in this edition? I mean I've seen worse for DE at this point!

Haven't gone through all the FAQ stuff yet, but some of this royally sucks, other stuff is expected. What's the point of Daemon Princes being FMCs in the CD book, but just jump MCs in the CSM book-cost shouldn't be an issue-it's pure dumbassery at its worst. Kharne at I1 is also fethed up. The big one-my BT are considering shelving themselves or becoming shooting only. What the hell-AACNMTO grants RAGE now? No more PE? And all for only 50 additional points going from an AMAZING 50 points to a pretty big pile of crap. Can you see the gesture I'm giving you GW? Cuz I'm doing it as hard as I can.

I'll still play that CD/CSM combo I've been drooling over, but my BT hate GW now. Maybe I'll ally them with my CFs for some secondary chapter shooting fun.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

60mm wrote:RIP Nids for 6th, looks like new hobby time for me. Whatever.

Why exactly are people claiming nids so bad in this edition? I mean I've seen worse for DE at this point!

People think that fliers and allies may rule the world?

Zyllos wrote:I thought charging only gives +1S now instead of +1A? So why does Venomthrope, Spore Cloud, remove the +1A from charges?

You're thinking of Furious Charge. Furious Charge isn't a rule mechanic and it isn't on every unit, it only applies towards units with the Furious Charge USR. If your unit does not have Furious Charge you do not get the Furious Charge bonus.

Charges give +1A just like 5E.

Damn so Nemesis weapons are only 3Ap (except for hammer, MAY BE) damn thats good for purifiers but a huge nerf for termies...

Must be nice to be on the GW staff to have about as much consideration for these faqs as a student hammering out a late night term paper. What really makes it sad is that the 8th Fantasy faqs paid a great deal more attention to armies getting transitioned over compared to this.

I know most people probably don't give two feths about IG armies not being able to take non-mandatory HQs as leaders, but I actually enjoyed this rule for Fluff armies and set a nice precedence. I may still ask my gaming group if they will allow me to continue this trend, but such is the way of things I guess.

CaptainJay wrote:I assumed all missile launchers would have access to Flakk Missiles, similar to how previously you could fire Krak/Frag missiles it's just giving you a third option.

(Which is good as otherwise I have no anti-flyer stuff in my army).

This (imo), as you replace the old ML weapon profile with the new one in the rule book. Instead of just having Frag and Krak, the profile now gives the option of Flakk missiles.

On an unrelated note T6 Nurgle bikers!

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

60mm wrote:RIP Nids for 6th, looks like new hobby time for me. Whatever.

Why exactly are people claiming nids so bad in this edition? I mean I've seen worse for DE at this point!

Both were already marginal lists, but Nids much more so, they are armies that if anything needed to be given advantages in these FAQs to get them in line with some of the other stuff out there and they didn't get it.

It's silly to talk about who got it worse, neither army is in a good position right now, and these FAQs show GW really doesn't care that that is the case.

P.S: the supposedly super agile Dark Eldar flyers are less maneuverable than this thing (I really think the DE flyers and the Eldar one to come should have got Vector Dancer)

Goldshield wrote:
Must be nice to be on the GW staff to have about as much consideration for these faqs as a student hammering out a late night term paper. What really makes it sad is that the 8th Fantasy faqs paid a great deal more attention to armies getting transitioned over compared to this.

Actually a better analogy would be a student hammering out a term paper the night before its due only to find out later its been extended. All the faqs that Ive seen have 'last update 15 June 2012' so they could of reread them all and made adjustments.

That would be because they weren't Marines..

GW has a hard-on for marines.

The new flier rules to explain the top-turret a bit though. Lousy for anti-ground shooting arc, but ideal for frying other fliers..

Atleast DE can take an ally to fill to level some of its weaknesses. NIDs are just up a creek.

Colfax wrote:

Goldshield wrote:
Must be nice to be on the GW staff to have about as much consideration for these faqs as a student hammering out a late night term paper. What really makes it sad is that the 8th Fantasy faqs paid a great deal more attention to armies getting transitioned over compared to this.

Actually a better analogy would be a student hammering out a term paper the night before its due only to find out later its been extended. All the faqs that Ive seen have 'last update 15 June 2012' so they could of reread them all and made adjustments.

Ah I see this now... that just makes this a little more sad.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

60mm wrote:RIP Nids for 6th, looks like new hobby time for me. Whatever.

Why exactly are people claiming nids so bad in this edition? I mean I've seen worse for DE at this point!

DE at least have a shooty build, even if it's boring to play.

Nids remain lacking assault greandes, wound allocation makes their charges difficult, their best slots remain crowded, many good, expensive units remain vulnerable to ID with no solution in sight, and their list of CC weapons that can deal with 2+ armor got drastically shorter.

Holy crap...Flash Gitz now ignore cover.
They have suddenly gotten a hell lot cooler ^^

Stupid ass Necrons. This edition had a lot of potential. Every ruling seems to be a big buff for them.

Holy messed up quotes Batman!

Marrak wrote:You're forgetting the gun options for both, and being flyers aren't subject to the "only hit on 6." The harpy has an option for a twin-linked venom cannon, and the flyrant has either the venom cannon or twin linked devourers. The venom cannon can outright pen most vehicles, and the devs can have a decent chance of removing one or two hull points, depending if you take one or two pair. Also, if you're using your flyrant for synapse support, you're not getting the most out of him, but he's fast enough to get someplace to patch holes in enemy lines if your other synapse is taken out.

I'm not forgetting them, they're just not that good. S6 for Devourer is the same str as their Vector Strike, so you're still rolling 6s just to glance. (After using your stellar BS of 3, mind you.) The Heavy Venom Cannon is literally the only weapon I can think of that still gets a penalty to the damage table. Sure, it'll glance (assuming you can hit with your BS3 and no twin link) fairly easily, but the HT/Harpy will run out of wounds before enemy fliers run out of HP it seems. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that our anti-air is probably the worst in the game. (Which is sort of ironic, considering the number of "flying" units we have...)

And I'm aware the Hive Tyrant isn't usually used for main Synapse. My point was when (not if) your other synapse goes down, if your HT is off chasing flyers shooting up your other stuff, they're not plugging that hole. (Although again, that might not really matter much anymore...)

MDizzle wrote:Can someone please explain how lash whips work now?

Lash whips are a set modifier now. According to the FAQ, this comes AFTER all other modifiers. So a Lash Whip against a Force Halberd goes like this:

Halberd boosts GK I to 6.
Lash Whips drop him to 1.

Against something else that sets the initiative of a model (e.g.: a Banshee Mask setting them to I10), you roll of for priority.

TedNugent wrote:I'm not sure about Green Tide. Now not only are you fighting against Dangerous Terrain tests and tripping over models but now you can't multi assault.

You can still multi-assault, you just don't get any charge bonuses for doing so. And both units get to Overwatch fire at you... So you CAN, it's just going to hurt...

Stoffer wrote:Orcs are fine too. No fearless wounds, movement so you're guaranteed assault in turn two and bikes are T5.

Orks are sort of in a middling place, again. Some of the buffs are nice, some of the nerfs are pretty sucky. Overall I don't think we really gained or lost ground; we'll probably still be that oddball middling army that either curb stomps their opponent, or ends up basically tabled by the end of turn 2, maybe turn 3.

Nob bikers though... oh man are people going to hate them even more now... I also might be willing to give MANz a try now. Too bad I can't get them an invulnerable without Grotsnik though; my group doesn't play SCs often and I don't really like him anyway.

Sephyr wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

60mm wrote:RIP Nids for 6th, looks like new hobby time for me. Whatever.

Why exactly are people claiming nids so bad in this edition? I mean I've seen worse for DE at this point!

DE at least have a shooty build, even if it's boring to play.

Nids remain lacking assault greandes, wound allocation makes their charges difficult, their best slots remain crowded, many good, expensive units remain vulnerable to ID with no solution in sight, and their list of CC weapons that can deal with 2+ armor got drastically shorter.

Oh I know all this, but people are making it sound they got even worse.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Holy crap...Flash Gitz now ignore cover.
They have suddenly gotten a hell lot cooler ^^

Flash Gitz are cooler, but unfortunately they're still in the over stacked Heavy Support slot.

Thunderfrog wrote:Stupid ass Necrons. This edition had a lot of potential. Every ruling seems to be a big buff for them.

About time we get back from trash tier.

streamdragon wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Holy crap...Flash Gitz now ignore cover.
They have suddenly gotten a hell lot cooler ^^

Flash Gitz are cooler, but unfortunately they're still in the over stacked Heavy Support slot.

Play 2k points.... you can buy BW for your gitz!

whembly wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Holy crap...Flash Gitz now ignore cover.
They have suddenly gotten a hell lot cooler ^^

Flash Gitz are cooler, but unfortunately they're still in the over stacked Heavy Support slot.

Play 2k points.... you can buy BW for your gitz!

But at 2k points my BW is probably toting 20 shoota boyz! (I didn't think about the double FOC thing. Guess my Komandos suddenly became Gitz... )

First thing, does anyone owning the SM iBook know if it's been updated with the FAQs? This will give us a clue as to whether GW are really embracing the digital frontier.

Secondly, I was just looking forward to playing Tau in the new edition, but no Target lock? That sucks a bit, but worse, no Skyfire/Interceptor for Skyrays?! What the hell? I mean it was only the first anti-aircraft weapon that they created AFAIK.

matphat wrote:I don't feel like Orks did too bad really.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456724.page

Orkz will do okay, but the Orkz I liked playing will not. Shame, really.

On a whole though, these FAQs are really poorly done. A lot of stuff is rushed or doesn't really make sense in context. Really a bad way to handle the launch of a new edition.

Also, Necrons are ridiculous now.