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 Galdos wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:

 Galdos wrote:
Oh god that would be awsome.

Though GW wouldnt let you do that.

I would buy that game if it was Tau only just to answer that. (Whatever helps farsight, hurts the Tau, which makes the Imperium in me happy)

Why wouldn't they? The canon ending would simply have the young and anonymous Tau Commander joining Farsight (which would be the ending I would aim for if this game became reality).

EDIT: WHATEVER HAPPENS, DON'T LET EA MAKE THE GAME!

I meant the finding the reason why he is doing it statement

Jeers and boos...perhaps if it coincides with the release of a new Tau codex, it might happen. Good publicity.

 Brother SRM wrote:
They're portrayed as being kind of on the edge to make them somewhat interesting and different from other chapters. It also lets things like the morality system get implemented and have an effect on the story. I like it. The Dawn of War series belongs to the Blood Ravens, and whether or not we get campaigns for everyone or just Space Marines, I hope they remain the Marine chapter for the campaign. I actually like their story.

And Gabriel Angelos? More like Gabriel Angelowns.

Except if the "different" chapter becomes the "generic", then the goalposts have just shifted. Meh.

I just don't see the point in having a good and evil in the game...and having the good borderline evil. Thank the God-Emperor for the Imperial Guard

What I want in Dawn Of War 3? I want a decent campagin and a multiplayer that rewards tactical thinking instead of what we have in the current version of DoW 2. I would also like to see a limit on how many of a certain unti type one can build/ train. It would cut back spam and force players to take strategy into acount and not just who can churn out the most Tac squads with plasma guns or mobs of Ork Nobs

 Trondheim wrote:
What I want in Dawn Of War 3? I want a decent campagin and a multiplayer that rewards tactical thinking instead of what we have in the current version of DoW 2. I would also like to see a limit on how many of a certain unti type one can build/ train. It would cut back spam and force players to take strategy into acount and not just who can churn out the most Tac squads with plasma guns or mobs of Ork Nobs

I can only assume you're an Operational Art of War III player. Fancy a game?

You want tactical thinking and yet you don't want it to be like DoW2, which involves a lot of tactical thinking?

Vague nonsense and little more.

Considering you were bashing on DOW1 for being derpy and arcadish that's pretty rich.

Unless your definition of bash is "saying it isn't the greatest game ever", I wouldn't say I've bashed it at all.

Not that you give a damn, you're just making gak up anyway.

I just insalled and played DOW1... it's awesome; I can finally build Defilers! I was getting a bit bored with DOW2 due to not having many units, or having much tactical value apart from shoot/ assault and then run away and rely on luck in many cases. It seems like DOW2 was built for the Skirmish crowds even though 40k is about epic scale battles, which IMO is the reason why it got boring for me pretty quick and doesn't work as a game.

What I'd like to see in DOW3 is a change back to the DOW1 style, with bigger army builds, more units and better looking maps. They really don't need to make the graphics any better; you are going to be zoomed out most of the time so it doesn't really matter if you cannot see the wrinkles on a space marine's face or the plaque on an Ork Boy's teeth. Also lower graphics would be a godsend to theaverage joe who has a mid-range computing device and help cut down on lagging in online multiplayer.

 MetalOxide wrote:
I just insalled and played DOW1... it's awesome; I can finally build Defilers! I was getting a bit bored with DOW2 due to not having many units, or having much tactical value apart from shoot/ assault and then run away and rely on luck in many cases. It seems like DOW2 was built for the Skirmish crowds even though 40k is about epic scale battles, which IMO is the reason why it got boring for me pretty quick and doesn't work as a game.

Sums up my thoughts exactly.

They really need to bring back large battles from DoW 1 into DoW 3...
If I enjoyed something it's storming with 50+ Guardsmen, 2 Leman Russes and a Baneblade while covering from two Basilisks.

I don't ask much, they cna even leave DoW 2 graphic. Just add little more races ( like Lynata said it could be done via expansions ) and larger army's.

But what I am more interested with is this "customize your own army" option.

Testify wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:
What I want in Dawn Of War 3? I want a decent campagin and a multiplayer that rewards tactical thinking instead of what we have in the current version of DoW 2. I would also like to see a limit on how many of a certain unti type one can build/ train. It would cut back spam and force players to take strategy into acount and not just who can churn out the most Tac squads with plasma guns or mobs of Ork Nobs

I can only assume you're an Operational Art of War III player. Fancy a game?

I must admidt I have never heard of that game, but will make a point to check it out. Thank you for the tip and yes perhaps one day I will fancy a game

Melissia wrote:You want tactical thinking and yet you don't want it to be like DoW2, which involves a lot of tactical thinking?

Vague nonsense and little more.

Since the web is a free place you are of chourse free to regard the game in that way. But knowing how you think about other people who dont agree with you I do not wish to get into a debate with you.

 Trondheim wrote:
But knowing how you think about other people who dont agree with you

You don't know, making this statement pointless.

Regardless, rather than talking about me, let's stay on topic.

DoW2 was very much a tactical game. Position, facing, actual cover, suppression fire, etc all are greatly more important than in many older games, such as DoW1 (and, before the inevitable "you just hate dow1" complaints come in, I would also say that, DoW1 has them be much more important than other older games such as Command and Conquer and the 'Craft series). In fact, I would go so far as to say that the game is made or broken on tactical decisions more than strategic ones, making it a very tactics-focused game. A more strategic game would be something like RUSE or Wargame: European Escalation-- the long term matters more in those games than in DoW2. But I digress, the point is, your statement about DoW2 not being tactical is so wrong that it's as if you're not even talking about the same game.

I don't mind DoW3 being tactical, but I think many people on this forum would prefer it to find a better balance between DoW2's focus on tactics and a more long-term strategic approach. It can be argued that DoW1 had that balance, which is why many people still love it to this day (I like it, I just happen to like DoW2 more).

 Melissia wrote:

I don't mind DoW3 being tactical, but I think many people on this forum would prefer it to find a better balance between DoW2's focus on tactics and a more long-term strategic approach. It can be argued that DoW1 had that balance, which is why many people still love it to this day (I like it, I just happen to like DoW2 more).

I am "many people" in this case. I just would prefer DoW2's gameplay over DoW1's A-move and swarm tactics (with a little selective targeting) and I like using positioning, facing, terrain, and so on. You can shoot through most of the terrain in DoW1 for chrissakes. I love me some Dawn of War 1 (I'm thinking of replaying the games actually) but I just dig DoW2's art direction and gameplay so much more. I can see the appeal of DoW1's massive battles though, even if they come at the cost of tactics most of the time. It makes for better spectacle, which is what a lot of people seem to want. I still think there's a happy medium to be found.

If you want a tactical game, try Hearts of Iron 3:



or the Operation Art of War:



Or somesuch.

There's a big difference between "I want to play a game where unit positioning, facing, and terrain matter" and "turn based grognard historical boardgame but on a computer" dude.

I dunno if I could call that tactical. Too large scale and not enough focus on actual unit tactics.

Brother SRM wrote:There's a big difference between "I want to play a game where unit positioning, facing, and terrain matter" and "turn based grognard historical boardgame but on a computer" dude.

...did you like Fallout Tactics by any chance?

Melissia wrote:I dunno if I could call that tactical. Too large scale and not enough focus on actual unit tactics.

That's true they're strategic more than tactical.

Not saying they're bad mind you.

Although my experiences with Hearts of Iron has been anything but good (mostly because every time I do my friends try to bug me to install some buggy software or other to play multiplayer with them)....

I only play Darkest Hour anyway, HOI3 is gak. Waaay too complex.

 Testify wrote:
I only play Darkest Hour anyway, HOI3 is gak. Waaay too complex.

Agreed, there were so many features in 2 that they mad worse in 3.

What we need is a second series. One that does the squad based dow2 style stuff, and then a larger scale RTS style - bigger than dow1, because that wasn't large enough scale for me to really get into.
Need Supreme Commander to have a baby with 40k. But with space battles.

I'm really intrigued by DOW2's "heroic" RTS now, and will probably
play it once I'm off my XCOM kick.

What I'd like to see would be a game that comprised of building
massive battle forces and positioning them correctly on a map.
Epic the way it was meant to be played kind of thing.

 djphranq wrote:

You'd be able to move fleets from galaxy to galaxy and have huge scale space battles. In each galaxy there would be a number of planets you could conquer/occupy.

Um, theres only one known galaxy in the 40K universe. am i the only one who noticed this?

Well First I want to see if it even comes out...
Ever.

 malfred wrote:

What I'd like to see would be a game that comprised of building
massive battle forces and positioning them correctly on a map.
Epic the way it was meant to be played kind of thing.

Hearts of Iron, but in space.

After the sale of Relic some DoW 3 info surfaced. It is rumoured to have begun development (but only just) and its scale was liked to 40K Apocalypse. That could be nothing more than heresay and even if true may well be scrapped/rethought,although the DoW3 domain name was transfered over to Sega as part of the sale.

Varguard Erekh wrote:

 djphranq wrote:

You'd be able to move fleets from galaxy to galaxy and have huge scale space battles. In each galaxy there would be a number of planets you could conquer/occupy.

Um, theres only one known galaxy in the 40K universe. am i the only one who noticed this?

Maybe he meant Solar system?


However his suggestion would make a gakky Dawn of War 3

A good 40k game but considering DoW has always been about land battles this looks like its unfaithful to the previous games.
It would make a great game but not a Dawn of War game

 Galdos wrote:

Varguard Erekh wrote:

 djphranq wrote:

You'd be able to move fleets from galaxy to galaxy and have huge scale space battles. In each galaxy there would be a number of planets you could conquer/occupy.

Um, theres only one known galaxy in the 40K universe. am i the only one who noticed this?

Maybe he meant Solar system?


However his suggestion would make a gakky Dawn of War 3

A good 40k game but considering DoW has always been about land battles this looks like its unfaithful to the previous games.
It would make a great game but not a Dawn of War game

Wait just a second there! IMO, that sounds somewhat cool. that was one of the things i liked about EaW. Well, that and the cinematic camera lol

 MetalOxide wrote:
I just insalled and played DOW1... it's awesome; I can finally build Defilers! I was getting a bit bored with DOW2 due to not having many units, or having much tactical value apart from shoot/ assault and then run away and rely on luck in many cases. It seems like DOW2 was built for the Skirmish crowds even though 40k is about epic scale battles, which IMO is the reason why it got boring for me pretty quick and doesn't work as a game.

What I'd like to see in DOW3 is a change back to the DOW1 style, with bigger army builds, more units and better looking maps. They really don't need to make the graphics any better; you are going to be zoomed out most of the time so it doesn't really matter if you cannot see the wrinkles on a space marine's face or the plaque on an Ork Boy's teeth. Also lower graphics would be a godsend to theaverage joe who has a mid-range computing device and help cut down on lagging in online multiplayer.

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I personally play a modded soulstorm at the moment, the graphics aren't as good but for me it's so much more fun because it's large scale.it would be amazing to combine the epic dawn of war 2 with soulstorm to create an aweome large scale warzone!

Have any of you ever played Star Wars: Empire at War?
If you haven't, basically the campaign was galatic, like soulstorm. You would requisition fleets (Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, X-wings, Crusiers etc) and use them to fight space battles and destroy the enemy fleet above their planet. Sometimes a space station. Once you had control of the space of that system, you could launch a ground invasion. You would send in the ground troops you had trained (AT-AT, Stormtroopers, Rebel Soldier, etc) and fight whatever forces the enemy had on the planet in one rts battle. You could only have a certain amount of your army on the field at once, an amount determined by the amount of points you had. etc etc once you win you earn more money and you buy more troops in the campaign map. you get the idea. galactic domination.

DoWIII could have the epic space battles between space marines and Necrons, then the humongous invasions of a hive fleet on an imperial garrison. Add in the unit style of Total War and you will have a very interesting game