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I'd honestly like larger scale battles than dawn of war 2. For me I enjoyed the first one a lot better than the second. I would also love to see tau included in this one as well as grey knights. Maybe with the story you could have your own customizable hero and colors. Maybe an empire at war sort of map. What do you guys want to see?

Necrons. I think they'd do awesome as a DOW Army since their update.

I agree completely. Having necrons would be pretty badass. Imagine having a necron vs imperium space battle. It's quite feasible to include space battles in an expansion

A 4x type game would be kind of cool.

It should have a wide variety of scales of maps from whole galaxies to areas in a city.
It should have a wide variety of scales of battles from fleets in space down to contests between characters.
It should have a wide variety of scales of resource management.

You'd be able to move fleets from galaxy to galaxy and have huge scale space battles. In each galaxy there would be a number of planets you could conquer/occupy. In order conquer/occupy a planet you'd traverse a world map with different locations and in each location you could have a variety of battles ranging from ones consisting of huge armies or small skirmishes. Areas conquered or structures built would provide some sort of resource. There could be some sort of 'population' management for areas conquered.

They should have stuff you see in Sins of a Solar Empire (space battles; galaxy/planet stuff), Civilization (Areas to conquer; resource/population management), Rome: Total War or something turn-based(large scale battles), Dawn of War I or something turn-based(smaller scale battles), Dawn of War II or something turn based (small skirmishes between parties.), Sanctum (tower defense type games where you hold what you just recently conquered), and Super Mario Brothers (collect 100 skulls and get a 1up!).

It should pretty much play like some elaborate homebrew campaign that someone is doing with their league, club, store, or friends.

I second the larger scale battles thing, but I'd like to see much larger scale. A Company of Space Marines in action, a battallion of IG, etc... Something on the scale of the Total War series.

Id like to see Space Marines in DoW3

I'd like a larger scale, and a less repetitive experience than I had with DoWII (turn flank, repeat). I'd actually like to see some of the stuff from CoH, like the command lines, but more like they were in the Blitzkrieg Mod (doubt I'll get that).

A return of Last Stand would also be nice. It's the only thing I use DoWII for anymore.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Id like to see Space Marines in DoW3

Your living in the clouds bro Some of us just dream for too much

A few things I would like to see:

-Properly sized squads (like dow I) 5 to 10 tactical marines, 15 to 30 hormagaunts, 10 to 20 boyz.

-Company sized battles.

-Every army (BA, BT, GK, 'crons e.c.t)

-Actual characters (Marneus Calgar, Commander Dante, Ghazgull Thakra, Abbadon e.c.t.)

-A larger campain map.

Several things I would want to see:


-- NOT having special characters from tabletop. feth that. They're spread throughout the timeline anyway. It's far better for Relic to come up with their own characters that actually suit the story instead of using GW's own unoriginal clichestorm of characters. Thankfully, Relic isn't likely to do this.

-- NOT having "company-sized battles", as that indicates way too much focus on Space Marines. feth that. Yes, I'm being petty. I'd like a focus on Guard instead, as if that's ever gonna happen. Or hell, how about a xenos-focused game? I wouldn't mind following Eldar, Orks, Necrons, or hell even Tau through a dedicated, full-length campaign.

-- NOT having every goddamned battle be a huge fething scale. feth that. Having it occasionally would be nice, but having every freaking battle be the same boring giant war like Dark Crusade would actually make it have LESS variety of gameplay than Dawn of War 2, which had both giant battles AND small scale surgical strikes and skirmishes.


What I WOULD like to see are more armies than the standard four-- space borings, space orks, space elves, and space bugs (or space borings with spikes on their shoulders) to start off with. But I doubt we'll get that :/

 Melissia wrote:
Several things I would want to see:


-- NOT having special characters from tabletop. feth that. They're spread throughout the timeline anyway. It's far better for Relic to come up with their own characters that actually suit the story instead of using GW's own unoriginal clichestorm of characters. Thankfully, Relic isn't likely to do this.

-- NOT having "company-sized battles", as that indicates way too much focus on Space Marines. feth that. Yes, I'm being petty. I'd like a focus on Guard instead, as if that's ever gonna happen. Or hell, how about a xenos-focused game? I wouldn't mind following Eldar, Orks, Necrons, or hell even Tau through a dedicated, full-length campaign.

-- NOT having every goddamned battle be a huge fething scale. feth that. Having it occasionally would be nice, but having every freaking battle be the same boring giant war like Dark Crusade would actually make it have LESS variety of gameplay than Dawn of War 2, which had both giant battles AND small scale surgical strikes and skirmishes.


What I WOULD like to see are more armies than the standard four-- space borings, space orks, space elves, and space bugs (or space borings with spikes on their shoulders) to start off with. But I doubt we'll get that :/

I agree. I would like to see proper squad sizes for once in the series as Blood guard26 said.

At least 5 factions and at most 9.

Missions are story focused like Chaos Rising, Winter Assault, DoW 1 instead of the others were several levels were just kill the enemy on this map for no reason but to take land / get wargear

A game realistic as Close Combat 2-5 would be great.

Large scale 40k strategy (Master of Orion 2/Star Wars Rebellion style) would be epic.

Realistic... 40k?

Uhm, you should start saying things that aren't random crap pushed together as if they make any sense.

More sync kills. That's what made me fall in love with DoW in the first place. Besides the walking coffins and superhumans covered in armor several feet thick.

Maybe they could nix the Space Marines altogether or maybe make them just an elite unit (kind of like how Spartans are a special unit in Halo Wars). It would kind of cool if the focus was on more of the Imperium in general like the Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, Inquisition, or Ecclesiarchy. Space Marines or Sisters of Battle could be like a limited elite type of unit.

 djphranq wrote:
Maybe they could nix the Space Marines altogether or maybe make them just an elite unit (kind of like how Spartans are a special unit in Halo Wars). It would kind of cool if the focus was on more of the Imperium in general like the Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, Inquisition, or Ecclesiarchy. Space Marines or Sisters of Battle could be like a limited elite type of unit.

I like the idea a lot. But what about all the diverse units of SM? and how would chaos work? Daemons and CSM combined but they wouldn't have a backbone of an army like IG

But at the same time that could diversify different playstyles between each forces

A shift back to the Command and Conquer style system of the first game with the massive battles back in. Company of Heroes has its place. But if you look at the detail and animations on games like Shogun with literally hundreds of execution and interactive fighting animations on screen then the fighting really isn't what it could be. They reduced the scale in DoW2 but didn't add any greater detail, interesting kill animations or make the sort of leaps you'd expect after so long.

Also, as I hinted above. Better and more awesome kill animations and interactive fighting. Not just a few stock ones and make them more common. Fighting in the 41st millenium should be spectacular and over the top.

I really hope that they make a more concise and exciting story than what they had in DoW 2. It was sooo bad and is another case of them shrinking the scale but not making the game better for it. Either do what they did in Dark Crusade and make some really good scenarios and interactions between the generals. A tale of your general vs the world. Or, make it focus on one faction and have a body of characters that have their own CGI cutscene storyline which unfolds as you fight through the campaign. A bit like in Starcraft and other strategy games. But make it good.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
But if you look at the detail and animations on games like Shogun

Seriously, you're using Total War as your example of good in-game animations.

What a crock.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Either do what they did in Dark Crusade

Throne on Earth, no, I hope they avoid Dark Crusade / Soulstorm style "every mission is a skirmish" like the plague. They were the worst games in the DoW franchise by far as far as campaigns go.

Seriously, you're using Total War as your example of good in-game animations.

Have you ever zoomed in? They're actually surprisingly cinematic considering the scale (not that I think that's a good direction for DoW).

I'd actually like a story based campaign as well as an option for a meta-campaign. Meta-campaigns are easy to code in comparison, and two or three guys could throw one together with little work.

 Melissia wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
But if you look at the detail and animations on games like Shogun

Seriously, you're using Total War as your example of good in-game animations.

What a crock.

I hate to see what type of machine I'd need to handle your idea of "good" in-game animations.

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 Melissia wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
But if you look at the detail and animations on games like Shogun

Seriously, you're using Total War as your example of good in-game animations.

What a crock.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Either do what they did in Dark Crusade

Throne on Earth, no, I hope they avoid Dark Crusade / Soulstorm style "every mission is a skirmish" like the plague. They were the worst games in the DoW franchise by far as far as campaigns go.

All the ones from Empire onwards really enhanced the animations for when you're fighting. When you rout an enemy line you'll have dozens of guys writhing in pain on the ground. Units killed and shot by arrows go down very differently to those killed in mellee. They actually have sword duels with eachother and interact with eachother by ramming spears and swords through their opponents bodies. The only lack of realism is no blood and if you buy the Blood Pack DLC then it adds in full anime style decapitations, limb severing, and blood spray . When you consider fights of thousands of soldiers happening on screen thats quite an impressive achievement. Dawn of War 2 having your force commander do that one occasional animation where he leaps onto the enemy and chainsaws him gets really old. I've always liked to consider DoW and TW series to be rivals ever since DoW1 came out at the same time as RTW.

You didn't play for the skirmishs you played for the interesting HQ missions which were special scenarios with dialogue. I felt these were much better done in terms of how good the missions were and the dialogue than in Soulstorm. In Soulstorm they just felt tedious and annoying whilst in DC it was really cool having to fight your way into a Necron base, drop off the bomb and get out. It was also good to upgrade your commander and get their take on trying to sieze all of these HQs. Especially the little spats you get between the generals. ie the Chaos Lord listening to the Guard generals speech and mocking it. The Imperial factions talking of who is in the right. The Eldar taunting how the Blood Ravens don't worship the Emperor in this temple they sieze. That was largely absent in Soulstorm and for me it lacked a lot of the charm Dark Crusade had. Plus that game was glitchy and laggy as hell on my old PC. DC ran smoother than anything.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
All the ones from Empire onwards really enhanced the animations for when you're fighting.

And yet, it's still inferior to DoW2.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
You didn't play for the skirmishs you played for the interesting HQ missions

The skirmishes were 90% of the game. Just because you have a bad memory doesn't counter this fact.

Chaos Rising and Retribution were both thousands of times better than Dark Crusade in that regard.

With how fun Last Stand is/was to play I'd want them to focus on making that a better type of game mode.

Perhaps have maps that the players need to traverse, better enemy AI, more enemies, more wargear, more commanders etc.

A PvP system somewhat similar to last stand might be nice too.

I'm not bothered about it being competitive just fun.

CoH 2 is expanding its scale so its quite likely that DoW 3 will as well.

DoW 2's combat animatiosn were nothing to write home about.

I want the game to be more like the Engine it was originally based on(CoH) so a more dynamic cover and vehicle damage system. And bigger maps(so all the individual soldiers will be smaller)

I want there to be space battles.

I want the Campaign to be customizable. So you can take your own chapter/IG regiment/Waaagh/Craftworld for a spin of Galactic conquest.

 Melissia wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
All the ones from Empire onwards really enhanced the animations for when you're fighting.

And yet, it's still inferior to DoW2.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
You didn't play for the skirmishs you played for the interesting HQ missions

The skirmishes were 90% of the game. Just because you have a bad memory doesn't counter this fact.

Chaos Rising and Retribution were both thousands of times better than Dark Crusade in that regard.

While I do agree about the annoyance of the skrimishes. The HQ missions in Dark Crusade (Soulstorm's was ... okay) were very good. because of that character banter. I consider Winter Assault and Chaos Rising to be the best in the series (if you ignore their short length) but that doesnt mean those HQ missions werent good.


Ya I wasnt playing for the skrimishes, I play for the next HQ mission to listen to the character banter. I particulllarly like the Humans dialogue to each other.

I want all selections from the codex's of each race they use instead of a snippet like they usually do...

And flyers... storm talons and dakka jets, yes please...

I'd be interested in a DoW III. What would I want from it? Campaignwise, I think a crossover between DoW I (scope, gameplay) and Final Liberation (content) would be neat. You'd have a huge map with sectors to fight over, and depending on the zone you'd have different cutscenes and objectives. I don't mind the classic skirmishes too much, provided the maps offer a sufficient degree of variety. I'm a bit torn on whether unit reinforcement (aside from drop troops readied beforehand) and building construction (aside from turrets and obstacles) should be possible during combat (a la C&C) or just on the tactical map (a la Total War). The latter would undoubtedly increase the strategic part a little, in that you'd have to keep supply routes in mind, or even retreat from a battle you cannot win to save the troops.

I think I could also grow accustomed to the small-groups style of CoH, but given how it lends itself only to the more powerful armies, some thought would have to be given on what to do with the ones that deal more in quantity rather than quality. Trying to simulate Imperial Guard with a 30 man cap is bound to fail, but if the campaign/mission is tailored to this - for example by telling the story of a single platoon that somehow ended up behind enemy lines, or is all that is left from its entire regiment, or a squad of Storm Troopers with some uberimportant mission - it could work. Just ... don't try to sell these boys as a full army.

Bottom line: My own preferences gravitate heavily towards "updated DoW I" versus "CoH meets Chaos Gate with additional RPG elements".

Advanced multiplayer options would be cool, too. Like dynamic worldwide campaigns where people would team up and fight over territories a la the tabletop's own Armageddon 3 or Eye of Terror campaigns. Complete with lobby, planning forum, and special equipment for the army leader to be gained from fighting in the big war.

Also, SoB, Tau and Dark Eldar plx. The more armies the merrier, but unfortunately only the first DoW really covered just about all the possibilities. For some armies, the developer could even offer DLCs with alternate models using the same rules as the basic army (thus covering various Marine Chapters, IG regiments, individual Chaos Gods, etc).

Dawn of war 1 with amazing graphics.

 Lynata wrote:
Bottom line: My own preferences gravitate heavily towards "updated DoW I" versus "CoH meets Chaos Gate with additional RPG elements".

This annoys me. If it's nothing more than DoW1 with updated graphics, it's gonna brow chunks more than starcrapped 2 did.

"I want the same game as before!" Well, go play the game you had before then?