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Boss Grot Punt wrote:
If we are talking about survival Ghazz survived a bullet to the head and was able to stumble to the medic not lie around complaining and this was while he was still a BOY not a warlord. I havent read the whole forum so someone may have already mentioned this.

I'm trying to avoid shining ghazzy's boots in this forum for anything other than a reference for what eternal warrior entails in game sense. And true Ghazzy was holding his brain and drooling the first time he saw Grotsnik.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH! Better hold your tounge dude, to many ork players consider an endlessly ressing emo-girl who cuts herself blood champion who doesn't just die is pretty stupid too man... and no making things up would be saying Ghazzy lifted off the ground ans screamed till he went super sayan and blew up the planet with his foot. The reference is in our codex, the possibility is there but like THE POSSIBILITY IS THERE THAT KHARN HAS BEEN REVIVED MORE TIMES THAN ONE. Void I swear dude you really need to ease up on your comments they are hostile as hell man. Probability in the possibility of a fluff entry is no different than what a large majority of you people are doing to even determine your Champion's equal...guessing.

So please SFTU if i do the same to make a reference why Kharn shouldn't get Eternal warrior and stay the exact same way he is in rules terms or state it supports why he shouldn't have it Via Fluff as well. If you can't say something nice please don't be a jerk about it I try not to be with you.

It's really weird, that you think I am the one who needs to calm down when you just went on a two post, multi-paragraph rant over what I said.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that I am a big Khorne and Kharn fan. Obviously my Magnus the Red (Tzeentchian Daemon Primarch) and Tzeentch-based status must have tipped you off on this.

I have never said I believe Kharn just gets up and survives fatal injuries due to being "tuff", like you seem to believe.

I will have to ask you to calm down.

Also, yes, you're making a very serious leap and assumption to say that Ghazghkuull took a hit from a Titan weapon. I mean, really, you can't backpedal from the fact that you were using him allegedly doing that as justification for Eternal Warrior (Which I think is really just plot armour, I mean, for example, Calgar is not as tough as a Carnifex. He's just not. But he has EW, they don't.) as just a "possibility", since while "possible", based on current evidence it is not "probable."


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 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
So when i make a similar claim to support a view as why some people have a rule and others don't and they just want to reverse the hat to say "Oh you made that up" when the idea is completely plausible that is infuriating to me.

It isn't plausible.

Calm down.


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Boss Grot Punt wrote:
If we are talking about survival Ghazz survived a bullet to the head and was able to stumble to the medic not lie around complaining and this was while he was still a BOY not a warlord. I havent read the whole forum so someone may have already mentioned this.

That's just a natural trait of Orky biology though.

@ void, Don't ask me to calm down after calling me a liar or "made it up". A story + an conclusion to be drawn from it is no reason to say something that rude. Of course I am upset you just attacked me personally and to top it off you refuse to even apologize

And FYI in apoc, Ghazzy does survive a titan even stomping him to death you might not agree but i actually could see him surviving that, just like I could see Calgar surviving more punishment than a carnifrex due to high density armor and dual power fists. Infact I could see him defeating a carni in close combat being a veteran of the Tyranid invasions I would dare say he might have been forced to have done such a feat... he fought the Swarmlord for Emperor's sake, he lost but he fought and survived.

You are I aren't going to agree on alot, but i don't call you liar or say your fluff is stupid till you insult me personally. please show me the respect i deserve or gracefully ignore my comments if that is too hard for you.

You know who's a pretty good match for Kharn? Darnath Lysander. Good luck killing someone that does not die and have fun getting floored by a str 10 thunder hammer, Kharn. Don't worry, I'm sure Khorne will put your lifeless body back together like he always does provided he can find all the pieces.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
@ void, Don't ask me to calm down after calling me a liar or "made it up". A story + an conclusion to be drawn from it is no reason to say something that rude. Of course I am upset you just attacked me personally and to top it off you refuse to even apologize

And FYI in apoc, Ghazzy does survive a titan even stomping him to death you might not agree but i actually could see him surviving that, just like I could see Calgar surviving more punishment than a carnifrex due to high density armor and dual power fists. Infact I could see him defeating a carni in close combat being a veteran of the Tyranid invasions I would dare say he might have been forced to have done such a feat... he fought the Swarmlord for Emperor's sake, he lost but he fought and survived.

You are I aren't going to agree on alot, but i don't call you liar or say your fluff is stupid till you insult me personally. please show me the respect i deserve or gracefully ignore my comments if that is too hard for you.

I truly don't know why your feelings were hurt, but if I did indeed upset you I apologise. That was not my intention.

Er, Carnifexes have survived Exterminatus. And not a named one like OOE. Just a Carnifex, lol. I think Calgar would beat one in a fight, but that doesn't make him tougher. Also, I could see Ghaz surviving being stepped on by a Titan. Terminator Marines have. Taking a Volcano Cannon to the face is something else entirely.

You created a scenario that had little basis at all and tried to pass it off as evidence. Ergo, you made it up. It is an assumption you have concocted.

Also, I said a codice's fluff is stupid. Did you write that fluff piece BMW? How could I be calling you stupid then? I find Wazdakka's exploit to be stupid. You for some reason took that as a personal attack.

Seriously, calm down.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

I don't hate Kharn at all, I infact really love his role in 40k as a butcher of hundreds of thousands of men. His fluff is under played for his stats and all he seems to do is fight Slaanesh's troops more than loyalists now and days.

So? That's what a lot of Chaos forces get up to, especially those devoted to a particular Power.

Kharn'd death defying list is as written

Angron vs Kharn ...

Angron decides not to kill Kharn. Kharn survives. What's your problem with that?

Istavaan III ...

As I recall he's explicitedly stated to still be moving after being impaled on the dozer blades (how could Loken still have seen him if he was impaled on dozer blades which were presumably facing away from im a second later)?

Battle For Terra ...

Yeah, so a key piece of his background saying that hedied and was brought back to life. The one time he's died. That's stated as fact, from a narrators viewpoint. I don't know why your arguing with it.


Also, is Wazdakkas run in with the Titan even meant to be taken seriously? I always assumed that it wasn't, particularly seeing as how it'd mean Warlord cockpits are poorly protected.

Also, is Wazdakkas run in with the Titan even meant to be taken seriously? I always assumed that it wasn't, particularly seeing as how it'd mean Warlord cockpits are poorly protected.

Nah his waaagh was being decimated by the Warlord Titan, exercising his power of dramatic timing the titan was apporaching near a mountain and from it's cliff drives Off Wazdakka from above crashing through its forcefield and being lit on fire he smashes through the cockpit and kills the operators inside while still ablazed. Pretty hilariously epic piece right there but 100% legit though i agree it sounds like a tall tale but that is how Wazdakka works he is doped up on drugs from painboyz outlawed by even ork kulture.

But the example was about Ghazzy surviving a heavy boot print whcih i think I think is possible since he has next to no real vitals anymore it would be like stomping a dice into the soft dirt it doesn't break it just pushes the die into the ground. I understand more than likely that titan is stomping around bedrock, but that is probably relatively soft to the biggest mega-warboss of the Ork society.

All things considered though it was more about Kharn again, I seriously am not trying to divert attention I am trying to simply say that to me Eternal warrior survives the things in fluff which sound utterly ridiculous and come back wanting more of it! Yarrick and most the others i can think of deserve to have it, Kharn to me... has simply a space marine physiology which makes him dead hard but not able to take something like the deadly thunderhammer to the face without being crushed into bits. Luckily Kharn butchers those kinds of people in a few moments.

@ void

Thank you for your apology, simply put I don't think the story of the Ghazzy's speech to the Imperium would have been posted less it was intended Ghazzy might have had a claim to it's demise personally. It just doesn't fit the Bravado of the Codex (which i understand you aren't a fan of...). regardless I have my beliefs and you will have yours. What i find aggervating though is the fact that you so eagerly dispel the ork Codex as though it is some horribly written thing which i actually enjoy reading. Further more you say it's fluff is not cannon or shouldn't be taken seriously but then you suggest that planet wide cleansing and a carni surviving (which again i actually like but is super unlikely just like your volcano cannon reference) is somehow far more valid and cannon.

Do you see how annoying that is? You realize the difference between these two is almost moot at well correct? Carni has 1 more point of toughness + regen while Ghazy has better armor, strength and immune to instant death. To me the examples are aggravating because you do no show consistency if it isn't in favor your own views. To say Ghazzy' stares down the barrel of a volcanoe cannon and manages to be clipped losing his shoota arm screaming for a moment before howling in pain before he remembers that he can't die on that battlefield he was destined to take down everything in the universe cause gork and mork told him. Now angry as all hell and smelling what's left of his skin cooking he wobbles underneath the behemoth and smashes his klaw into an importan leg bit from the heavily damaged titan causing it's to come crashing down and immobile killing off the tech priests who rush out of every hatch to try and fix the damage.

To me... that is completely something I would see the mighty Ghaz doing and then just getting Mad-Dok Grotsnik to fix his missing arm and get orkimedies to whip him up some new armor for that arm too. It's not likely, just like Kharn has no equal within the Imperium of man. It's all perspective and their is no way to prove any of this in a fantasy sci-fi story. Honestly the fact we've argued this long is frustrating and I am starting to keenly see the futility in our banter back and forth. Gonna give this a final try between you and me if we can't sort it out i will make my visits to dakka a lot less complicated but i really don't want to because normally you are great debater and i like that in people.

I just really don't approve of people saying I am a liar when my references checked out and were reasonable assumptions.

Never mind, the topic has kept going.

I have consistently dropped kharn with Draigo , if that's what your looking for.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Lucius would give Kharn a run for his money, if not outright hand him his ass.

Lelith Hesperax would probably 'eff him up.

A buddy and I dice hammered this question out. Drazahar is the only one who could go glaive to axe with the betrayer.

"The only one I've never betrayed is Khorne." - Kharn

Yes, low strength melee characters are moronic wastes of points. I am... aware, my good sir.

 Arthas367 wrote:

Kharn literally fought his primarch and lived to tell the tale

That is literally not at all what happened. The only reason Kharn lived to tell that tale is because he absolutely refused to fight no matter what Angron did to him. The few dozen first captains and champions (all presumably greater in station than Kharn) tried to put up a good fight and ended up giblets strewn across the carpet. Please don't make up lies.

Angron could have indeed killed Kharn at any time, had he been so inclined.

The "fight" started with Kharn suddenly finding himself pinned to a wall, arm and some ribs broken, Angron having moved and pinned him their faster than Kharn could even perceive.