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Melissia wrote: Can it be non-Marines, too? Phoenix Lords, particularly powerful Warbosses, Assassinorum operatives, probably some hive tyrants or other for the 'nids.
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Rysaer wrote: Kharn has no equal. He is the blood gods finest champion
Which means he's good at screaming at any rate. I'm sure we can find someone who can make him scream more.
Khorne isn't just about rage/screaming though, if you listen to the 'Chosen of Khorne' audiobook and various other books (Liber chaotica: Khorne), Khorne is also about the living embodiment of battle, bloodlust and honour. Khorne tends to favour those who fight with honour. He doesn't grant his boon to those who let others do their fighting for them. Kharn only fights those who can fight back, especially those who fight well.
Kharn, screaming aside, is a brutal and efficient warrior with the blood gods favour and probably well more than 10,000 years of experience in battle, brutal fighting and killing, I think it'd be hard task to find anybody else with this level of skill, experience and ability.
Honor... Khorne... are you serious? tha...that is the most...redicu...you can't be serious right?
that is like saying the Unibomber is as honorable as Musashi... They both killed many men whats the difference... honor is the difference.
Khorne's tennats are murder...there is no honor in his will he doesn't accept challenges because he wants to fight one on one he is furious someone challenged him nothing more. Why is it I am educating Chaos on it's own gods!?
No, really, Khorne IS the Chaos God of honour. More specificly, martial honour. That's only a part of him, but it's there. Just look at Duke Venalitor in Hammer of Daemons for an example.
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Why are people hashing out tabletop rules in the background forum? Amongst other things, the OP's after fluff examples, not tabletop.
In modern 40K, I struggle to think of any loyalist Space Marine that could defeat Kharn.
Honorable mentions would go to Blackmane, Crowe/Draigo, Helbrecht and a few other Chapter Masters and the Feast of Blades dude however.
Vasarto was probably correct with Bjorn, but a Dreadnought's kinda cheating!
However, the portrayal of Xarl *no spoilers* may suggest that particularly skilled opponents (such as those mentioned above) could be an equal to a heresy-era opponent, but I expect Kharn is superior to Xarl and has the backing of Khorne, so no, I doubt any modern Marine could really match him.
Melissia wrote: Can it be non-Marines, too? Phoenix Lords, particularly powerful Warbosses, Assassinorum operatives, probably some hive tyrants or other for the 'nids.
He's specifically asking for a loyalist example.
I'm aware.
He did specifically refer to Space Marines though.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
I know, but my care-o-meter fails to register anything
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I'm currently in a battle with Kharn and Calgar, i've done some pre rolls to see, next turn i get the charge on Calgar, and on average i cause 6 wounds, i attack first, Calgar has 4 wounds i believe and has a 5+ invulnerable save. After averaging out the rolls, Calgar leader of Ultramarines never gets to strike back. Mephiston seems like a good challenge ;P
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Rysaer wrote: Kharn has no equal. He is the blood gods finest champion
Which means he's good at screaming at any rate. I'm sure we can find someone who can make him scream more.
Khorne isn't just about rage/screaming though, if you listen to the 'Chosen of Khorne' audiobook and various other books (Liber chaotica: Khorne), Khorne is also about the living embodiment of battle, bloodlust and honour. Khorne tends to favour those who fight with honour. He doesn't grant his boon to those who let others do their fighting for them. Kharn only fights those who can fight back, especially those who fight well.
Kharn, screaming aside, is a brutal and efficient warrior with the blood gods favour and probably well more than 10,000 years of experience in battle, brutal fighting and killing, I think it'd be hard task to find anybody else with this level of skill, experience and ability.
Honor... Khorne... are you serious? tha...that is the most...redicu...you can't be serious right?
that is like saying the Unibomber is as honorable as Musashi... They both killed many men whats the difference... honor is the difference.
Khorne's tennats are murder...there is no honor in his will he doesn't accept challenges because he wants to fight one on one he is furious someone challenged him nothing more. Why is it I am educating Chaos on it's own gods!?
No, really, Khorne IS the Chaos God of honour. More specificly, martial honour. That's only a part of him, but it's there. Just look at Duke Venalitor in Hammer of Daemons for an example.
I'm sorry, the words Chaos god and honour to not compute in my envisionings of them. If this was done in a black library book it wouldn't be the first time an author has mad me sigh and want my money back. There is a difference between throwing someone their weapon you are about to kill, kill them and then listen to them when they plead for you not to harm their family.
I'd like to ask for a reference but knowing Black Library I'm sure it's there to make the fanboyz squeal. Suffice to say if you listen to the basic quotes
"Blood for the Blood god." "Skulls for the Skull throne" "Let the Galaxy Burn!" "Burn maim kill!" these quotes are the most basic and fundamental quotes of Khorne the mindless ranting of killers and people who place the glorious death of others as the only way to appease their god. It is suppose to be an analogy for the corruptible seduction of killing the enemies of one's gods in the name of their gods and how it looks to others. When you see marching Jihadist you are filled with that fear these people want to kill you for no other reason their their beliefs, the same for the reverse it true when you think of how mortifying it must has been for muslims to hear the resonanting chant of "GOD WILLS IT" from Crusaders .
Khorne isn't honorable in my eyes, he is merely a loveable and honest killer who wants to fap to split blood and finish his session inside their skulls while listening to death metal.
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Frecklesonfire wrote: I'm currently in a battle with Kharn and Calgar, i've done some pre rolls to see, next turn i get the charge on Calgar, and on average i cause 6 wounds, i attack first, Calgar has 4 wounds i believe and has a 5+ invulnerable save. After averaging out the rolls, Calgar leader of Ultramarines never gets to strike back. Mephiston seems like a good challenge ;P
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Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Khorne has always been honourable but the interwebz justs runs with with the "Kill Main Burn" stuff
and ...ya know the previous codexes and main story arcs and...should i even bother continuing? Because I think I am wasting my time and you've convinced yourselves your not orks with more rage
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This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means slaughtering his comrades-in-arms right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
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Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Khorne has always been honourable but the interwebz justs runs with with the "Kill Main Burn" stuff
and ...ya know the previous codexes and main story arcs and...should i even bother continuing? Because I think I am wasting my time and you've convinced yourselves your not orks with more rage
Each of the chaos gods has a "Positive" emotion, Tzeenech is the god of Hope etc
BlaxicanX wrote:This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means having to slaughter worthy allies right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
He's called the betrayer because his fellow marines refused to fight ie they acted dishonourably (In Kharn's eyes) and he performed some battlefield discipline, he did Betray his Legion but not his God
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Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Khorne has always been honourable but the interwebz justs runs with with the "Kill Main Burn" stuff
and ...ya know the previous codexes and main story arcs and...should i even bother continuing? Because I think I am wasting my time and you've convinced yourselves your not orks with more rage
Each of the chaos gods has a "Positive" emotion, Tzeenech is the god of Hope etc
BlaxicanX wrote:This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means having to slaughter worthy allies right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
He's called the betrayer because his fellow marines refused to fight ie they acted dishonourably (In Kharn's eyes) and he performed some battlefield discipline, he did Betray his Legion but not his God
No, Tzeenech is scheming and planning, hope is the literal antithesis of planning. Perhaps it is what they "disguise themselves as" but this isn't them.
Please give references cause this is downright wrong until i see something.
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BlaxicanX wrote: This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means slaughtering his comrades-in-arms right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
Not really, Kharn is the betrayer because in a battle on a deathworld, his fellow world eaters displayed cowardice in the face of sub freezing tempature that only might have killed them and returned to their shelters rather then continue the attack. Kharn tried to urge them forward and when they ignored him he picked up a heavy flamer and his other weapons, and slew both his enemies and his cowardly allies (cowardice isnt honorable), after which he was known as the "betrayer", which isnt really correct as his fellow warriors had betrayed Khorne by not continuing the fight, while Kharn has always remained Loyal.
BlaxicanX wrote: This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means slaughtering his comrades-in-arms right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
Not really, Kharn is the betrayer because in a battle on a deathworld, his fellow world eaters displayed cowardice in the face of sub freezing tempature that only might have killed them and returned to their shelters rather then continue the attack. Kharn tried to urge them forward and when they ignored him he picked up a heavy flamer and his other weapons, and slew both his enemies and his cowardly allies (cowardice isnt honorable), after which he was known as the "betrayer", which isnt really correct as his fellow warriors had betrayed Khorne by not continuing the fight, while Kharn has always remained Loyal.
At the Battle of Skalathrax, between the Emperor's Children and the World Eaters, Khârn became both legendary and infamous amongst his legion. When the World Eaters' advance stalled, even though they were close to victory, Khârn became disgusted at their weakness and flew into a berserk rage, slaughtering friend and foe alike. Because of this, the World Eaters were completely scattered into small, individual war bands, and have seldom, if ever, fought as a unified Legion since then. Khârn's actions at Skalathrax earned him the sobriquet "The Betrayer", which he has carried ever since.
this not only doesn't show honor is shows his anger that they were weak and not worthy of to savior the GLORIOUS and RESPLENDENT DECADENCE OF KHORNE for being so weak they couldn't win against the opposing forces of nipple-pinchy. I know you want to think Khorne is honor, but to me it is better depicted as rage and murder with a thirst for a good challenge in other words Orks with more intelligence using words like "Glorious" rather than "Right Propah". I would say the concept of honor is known to berserkers or Khorne and perhaps is veiled in the concept of it to insult truly honorable men (Viking vs Knight) but the true tennats of khorne would only use honor to draw out the most glorious kills in the name of their bloody god.
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BlaxicanX wrote: This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means slaughtering his comrades-in-arms right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
Not really, Kharn is the betrayer because in a battle on a deathworld, his fellow world eaters displayed cowardice in the face of sub freezing tempature that only might have killed them and returned to their shelters rather then continue the attack. Kharn tried to urge them forward and when they ignored him he picked up a heavy flamer and his other weapons, and slew both his enemies and his cowardly allies (cowardice isnt honorable), after which he was known as the "betrayer", which isnt really correct as his fellow warriors had betrayed Khorne by not continuing the fight, while Kharn has always remained Loyal.
reference? book? pg #?
4th ed Chaos dex
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BlaxicanX wrote: This has probably been mentioned several times already, but, if Khorne is a god "of honor", why then, is Kharne "The Betrayer" his right-hand man? Kharne's whole gimmick is antithetical to the notion of honorable combat. He kills purely for the sake of killing, even if means slaughtering his comrades-in-arms right in the middle of a firefight. There's no honor in that. That Kharne is Khorne's favorite Speyce Marine pretty much spits on the notion that he's a god who values honor.
Not really, Kharn is the betrayer because in a battle on a deathworld, his fellow world eaters displayed cowardice in the face of sub freezing tempature that only might have killed them and returned to their shelters rather then continue the attack. Kharn tried to urge them forward and when they ignored him he picked up a heavy flamer and his other weapons, and slew both his enemies and his cowardly allies (cowardice isnt honorable), after which he was known as the "betrayer", which isnt really correct as his fellow warriors had betrayed Khorne by not continuing the fight, while Kharn has always remained Loyal.
reference? book? pg #?
4th ed Chaos dex
Page #? title? I have this codex and I wouldn't mind you quoting it word for word please if you are going to make a bold claim
Here is what i found
Pg. 40 Under Kharn the Betrayer
Kharn has dedicated his Millennial-long existence to unleashing bloody carnage upon anyone and anything withing reach. He is drawn by the scent of war as a hungering hound is drawn by fresh meat, and it has becoming impossible to tally his slaying. Even during the Great Crusade, when he fought in the vanguard of the World Eaters Legion's assault companies, Kharn was known to be a brilliant yet unstable warrior.
So far this makes him seem exactly as I've been saying Impulsive, murderous and treasonous all for the name of Khorne, his only true ally.
Oh and I found your reference for his name, you are sadly mistaken honor didn't play in anger did at failure upon a frozen planet which was to claim everyone.
Kharn is called the betrayer because of an incident on the Daemon wold of Skalathrax. Fighting against the Emperor's Children the World Eaters needed just one more victory over Fulgrim's Warriors and the planet would be claimed in Khorne's name.The battle had to be won before Skalathrax's long frozen night drew in and killed victor and vanquished alike. Yet the World eaters could gain no ground against their foes and were hurled back time and time again by devastating sonic weapons. Kharn cursed his fellow warriors for abandoning the attack and seizing a flamer he torches the nearest buildings IN A GESTURE OF CONTEMPT. he cut down those that tried to stop him and marched into the gloom , the serpents's tongue of his flamer licking out again and again to consume the city. Through the mayhem strode Kharn slaughtering all that he found, friend or foe.
Kharn and most of Khorne are nothing if not loyal and fanatical to their god, but he doesn't pay homage to honor nor does he care about anything other than murder. This event pleased Khorne because Kharn didn't care who he killed anyone and everyone who would approach him within the city would die. He wanted this victory for KHORNE not for honor and he didn't kill his men because honor dictacted he must. He wanted to please his god and those fools were bungling the job the only person he could rely on to slaughter properly in the name of Khorne was himself.
by your own logic you make it sound like a boss firing someone is honorable...
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BudForTheBeerGod wrote: Pg # 48 of 4th edition Codex: Chaos Space Marines. 3rd Paragraph, 9 sentences long and if you want a word count you can do it yourself
just did.
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While Kharn could cause wounds like no other Arjac has the advantage of outright murdering Kharn should he connect with any hits. Really the main problem Kharn faces is even with all of his attacks and ap and high strength and decent init he is still auto-killable by standard strength 8 weaponry. A storm shield will do an amazing job at stopping his fury and all you really need is one strike and he will have a meager 5+ invul between him and being auto killed.
In fluff this is accurate too, Arjac fights the krakens of Fenris and is Logan Grimnar's Champion he'd be hard pressed to bested in combat and he gets counter attack just like his enemy so they are just a fierce in combat charged or not.
Infact If Arjac was lucky he could chuck that teleporting hammer of his and take off Kharn's head in one throw.
Cowardice in the face of adversity, is not honorable. It does not have to explicitly state that he was honorable in every mention of Khorne and his followers for him to remain honorable, it is obviously present. I would not state that khorne would be above cheating his fellow deities in a game of cards around the warp fire, but in war, he is direct, straightfoward, and with honor. He doesnt kick an enemy that is down like slaanesh or tzeentch, doesnt pander to them like nurgle, he doesnt bother those that present no challenge for his troops, or play sissy sit in the corner and shoot tactics, he simply seeks victory after victory, and even in defeat, he is content at the spilled blood. That is martial honor. Doesnt make him a good guy in any way, but he keeps his word, malicious though it may be.
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The use of scalathrax as an example isn't exactly relevant, I'm pretty sure his brother marines world have fought back or at least had the ability to. They wouldn't have sat there begging for it, they would have defended themselves therefore there is honour or at least a sense of it.
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]A prime example is in 'Chosen of Khorne' Kharn has a thousand chances to kill a seneschal who was formerly a warrior and loyal to the world eaters, yet he doesn't because the seneschal prays for death, he wants to die. Kharn explains there would be no honor or glory for Khorne in killing him, so doesn't do it.
Also in the same audiobook he kills Brand a chaos warlord because he was using others to do his killing in Khornes favour, he states that Khorne only respects those who fight their own battles again proving a sense of martial honour.
In this entry it talks about how Angron lobotomized his warriors removing all sense of fear and danger. So clearly in Kharn's own anger he couldn't have been justified in killing his own men they were kraven monsters just like him wanting to kill in the name of Khorne they weren't "discouraged" they don't know the meaning of the word.
also in this entry it talked about how the marines have an increased hormonal rush in combat... dunno about you but this sounds like a roid rage to me... not a contemplative honorable warrior letting his enemy pick up his weapon and ask if he is ready to die he just screams and wants to hear the splat sound once his weapon reaches the enemies face....
pg 36 KHORNE BERSERKERS 2nd paragraph
Those who wish to fully dedicate themselves to Khorne usually join the World eaters to undergo the complex PYSCHO-SURGERY involved, but from that moment on they are one with their angry god, FEELING NOTHING BU THE DESIRE TO KILL, MAIM and BURN.
Waiting to see honor in this stuff....
pg 36 KHORNE BERSERKERS 4th paragraph
The Berzerkers of Khorne relish their role as the Blood God's sacred destroyers, and are fanatical in the extreme. Their delight in pain and death is so strong that they have been known to attack their comrades in blind rage and if no opponent is present, to even fall upon their own weapons as sacrifices to Khorne.
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are we done yet?
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Rysaer wrote: The use of scalathrax as an example isn't exactly relevant, I'm pretty sure his brother marines world have fought back or at least had the ability to. They wouldn't have sat there begging for it, they would have defended themselves therefore there is honour or at least a sense of it.
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]A prime example is in 'Chosen of Khorne' Kharn has a thousand chances to kill a seneschal who was formerly a warrior and loyal to the world eaters, yet he doesn't because the seneschal prays for death, he wants to die. Kharn explains there would be no honor or glory for Khorne in killing him, so doesn't do it.
Also in the same audiobook he kills Brand a chaos warlord because he was using others to do his killing in Khornes favour, he states that Khorne only respects those who fight their own battles again proving a sense of martial honour.
Correct, Kharn doesn't kill sniveling bitches... he kills the mightest foes. That man's blood would give him no glory at all it would probably repulse Khorne that Kharn was giving him a kindness since the seneschal as you put it was more or less begging for it.
Again, i never said Khorne isn't fickle. Khorne isn't honorable he wants someone to be a mighty slaughtering behemoth with no emotion or thought just MURDER MURDER MURDER MURDER MURDER MURDER MURDER MURDER MURDER! Someone who says "but Khorne I gave you more souls than Kharn could ever have hoped to give you"
to which Khorne replies "Yes but he did them all himself..."
Daddy loving the way his son does something isn't honor guys... I know you want to convince yourselves you are blood soaked samurai but you aren't you are just murdering for the blood god. And there is nothing wrong with that I'm sorry i just don't agree with anyone making this claim till they show me how Khorne like honor and fair fights, and holding to some sort of code where an opponent must be fought to redeem the personal image of one solider. Kharn hasn't demanded a duel he just slaughters someone who dares approach him wanting a duel.
to me your tennats are kill "Kill as much as you can, Maim it all doing it yourself if possible, and burn anything and everything that stands in your way." a truly inspirational religion that Orks identify with but not honor.
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In this entry it talks about how Angron lobotomized his warriors removing all sense of fear and danger. So clearly in Kharn's own anger he couldn't have been justified in killing his own men they were kraven monsters just like him wanting to kill in the name of Khorne they weren't "discouraged" they don't know the meaning of the word.
also in this entry it talked about how the marines have an increased hormonal rush in combat... dunno about you but this sounds like a roid rage to me... not a contemplative honorable warrior letting his enemy pick up his weapon and ask if he is ready to die he just screams and wants to hear the splat sound once his weapon reaches the enemies face....
pg 36 KHORNE BERSERKERS 2nd paragraph
Those who wish to fully dedicate themselves to Khorne usually join the World eaters to undergo the complex PYSCHO-SURGERY involved, but from that moment on they are one with their angry god, FEELING NOTHING BU THE DESIRE TO KILL, MAIM and BURN.
Waiting to see honor in this stuff....
pg 36 KHORNE BERSERKERS 4th paragraph
The Berzerkers of Khorne relish their role as the Blood God's sacred destroyers, and are fanatical in the extreme. Their delight in pain and death is so strong that they have been known to attack their comrades in blind rage and if no opponent is present, to even fall upon their own weapons as sacrifices to Khorne.
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are we done yet?
No, we're not. Not every follower of Khorne is a World Eater. In fact, not every follower of Khorne is a Space Marine.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
No, we're not. Not every follower of Khorne is a World Eater. In fact, not every follower of Khorne is a Space Marine.
True, and those would be considered as they go. I'd agree a cultist is very likely to have honor because... well cultist are just too varied not to be a reality.
I apologize if I did something like this for the Kharn thread... (Not necessarily for little kids)
but to me it's laughable that Khorne himself wants honor he just wants a super star. If other people who follow Khorne want to be honorable that is fine and i'm sure khorne doesn't care as long as the blood flows but I still haven't heard anyone produce me something concrete that says "Khorne is honorable or likes honor" or that Kharn is honorable for that matter.
I think him having a preference in enemies to kill is being mistaken as honor. Its the same feeling a hunter gets when he sees a little deer when hunting... there is no sport in it and leaves it be. In a sense it's honorable but in reality it just doesn't meet specifications.
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In truth it was Khorne who saved Khaine (eldar god of war) from utter annihilation at the hands of Slaanesh. In part because Khaine had always been a good sport in combat and fun to toy with, and in part because Slaanesh is too loathsome to be worthy of killing even a lesser alter-ego of Khorne. If you ask me for sources I will point you to the best one around. GOOGLE IT.
BudForTheBeerGod wrote: In truth it was Khorne who saved Khaine (eldar god of war) from utter annihilation at the hands of Slaanesh. In part because Khaine had always been a good sport in combat and fun to toy with, and in part because Slaanesh is too loathsome to be worthy of killing even a lesser alter-ego of Khorne. If you ask me for sources I will point you to the best one around. GOOGLE IT.
Sorry man, it's not my burden to bare you are the one making caseless claims of honor without so much as a single quote yet. I think right now I am the more credible source than you, it sounds plausible but highly unlikely. I would have thought a fan of chaos would be eager to prove this stuff and it be needed for a change .
please produce references, or don't Watch. I can say Khorne is actually the 3rd Ork God and all orks are inherently closer to Khorne than Chaos Space marines or it's followers but you will doubt that and I won't have a reference and I'll end up looking foolish if it turns out (which is probably is) less than concrete fact.
Khaine is also believed to have been assaulted, defeated, and dominated by Slaanesh sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Following this, Khorne, Chaos God of war, battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property. During their struggle, Khaine was driven into the material world, where he shattered into a thousand pieces. The dread Avatars of Khaine are the mere splinters of the ancient war god that can be called upon by a sacrifice of an Exarch who is chosen to be the Young King who are then absorbed by the essence, thus becoming the Avatar of Khaine wielding the might of the War God himself.
Neither side wanted to 'save' they wanted to own and because these two incessantly keep fighting the avatar shattered and became the creature we know today. He didn't save he smashed in frivolous anger. So this makes 2 poor paraphrasings now, Are we aiming for more or would you like to make simple references before continuing again?
No, Khorne is not an ork god, Orks run away when they are beaten to get reinforcements, Khorne's followers die to a man. I have at least provided sources for most of my statements, you have yet to provide any to the reverse.
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