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Anyone that doesn't play the game for the same reasons I do is doing it wrong.

 kronk wrote:
Anyone that doesn't play the game for the same reasons I do is doing it wrong.

Stop liking what I don't like.

On a serious note, I think we can all agree that cheating and general dishonesty is inexcusable behavior.

PredaKhaine wrote:
Smoking is an addiction - self inflicted, but still an addiction.
Letting someone who smokes go for one mid game isn't any different to them going for a toilet break. They both can take 10 minutes and they both could come back smelling. Both can lead to a much happier opponant.
A game where everyone is happy is the best game.

It's different. One is a choice, one technically isn't (especially if you're like me and have... health issues related to that, though luckily to date that's never been an issue for any 40k games I've played). You could just take a dump on the gaming room floor for example, but I think everyone can agree that that's not exactly a good idea

Also despite the "tone" in my previous post I'm not saying I would refuse to play against smokers or anything. Just don't expect me to be happy about it if you're hopping out for a cig all the time, and/or smell like it. The smell/smoke of cigarettes gives me a killer headache very, very fast, aside from just simply being a bad smell in its own right.

 TermiesInARaider wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Anyone that doesn't play the game for the same reasons I do is doing it wrong.

Stop liking what I don't like.

On a serious note, I think we can all agree that cheating and general dishonesty is inexcusable behavior.

Yeah, cheating and dishonestly really take it out of the game. I do still outright refuse to play folks that are running uber power lists. It takes all the fun out of the game to play power lists. Competitive is one thing in tourneys, but in a friendly don't just bring the list you use to stomp the competition unless your tweaking your list for a tourney. And if you're doing that then tell your opponent that's what you're doing. Makes the game more interesting and personally it nice to walk away from a good game seeing something new or different

Bad sportsmanship, including cheating and rude players. I guess that's why I just play with friends to avoid this.

 tvih wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
Smoking is an addiction - self inflicted, but still an addiction.
Letting someone who smokes go for one mid game isn't any different to them going for a toilet break. They both can take 10 minutes and they both could come back smelling. Both can lead to a much happier opponant.
A game where everyone is happy is the best game.

It's different. One is a choice, one technically isn't (especially if you're like me and have... health issues related to that, though luckily to date that's never been an issue for any 40k games I've played). You could just take a dump on the gaming room floor for example, but I think everyone can agree that that's not exactly a good idea

Also despite the "tone" in my previous post I'm not saying I would refuse to play against smokers or anything. Just don't expect me to be happy about it if you're hopping out for a cig all the time, and/or smell like it. The smell/smoke of cigarettes gives me a killer headache very, very fast, aside from just simply being a bad smell in its own right.

No worries, mate. In our club, almost everybody smokes, and those who don't usually just go downstairs with the smokers anyway. It only takes 5 minutes, and all we talk about is the game anyway.
But if my opponent doesn't like to pause the game, no problem, I'll just have to wait until the game is over to get that sweet, sweet nicotine in my body.

 Grey Templar wrote:
those that think Competitive and Fluffy are opposites(they arn't)

Every bit of this, as well as those who play Imperial Fists or any chapter they spawned.

Oh, right, this isn't about smoking at all!

We have three real hardcore powergamers in our club, but their lists are always very fluffy. (1K sons, Eldar, Necrons). It's never as over the top as some of the lists you see on the internet and at huge competitions.

At our store, we will be cracking down on bad sportsmanship.

I also agree that the cigarette thing can be bad sportsmanship in its own right. Once is fine, a break from a game can be good too, every other round is excessive. I don't care about the smell or anything; its just that many stops can easily add a 1/2 hour to the game.

 juraigamer wrote:
Ignorant tau haters are on my top list, as well as space wolf players, who don't know they are playing a heretical chapter.

Beyond that, the simply WAAC players. These are different from power gamers as power games have a sense of honor when playing and building their list, but WAAC don't.

My friend plays SW and I have read some of their books.... where is the heresy? I really want to know, I never knew anything about this.

Alestrius wrote:
I never knew anything about this.

There's not knowing and not caring. The latter is better.

Power gamers are more annoying.

I was trying to type up my thoughts, but the post was becoming to long so I'll just say I don't like how they screw up the sales by making it seem one thing is more popular then it really is. Power gamers just boost the sales by purchasing them, base coat black, giving us more and more of that and less of the great contrasting looking models that are constantly getting phased out (Very sad to see Catachan getting phased out)

That guy who brings a power list spamming air, named characters and allies, to a game against a new player with a noncompetitive fluff army because he wants to 'test it out' before the tournament a month from now. That guy who announces when you get there that the game is Kill Points and played on a board devoid of LoS blocking terrain, against Orks with his army of 5 super-elite units. That guy who puts Azrael and some other DA [see forum posting rules] character in a blob of several dozen guardsmen giving them 4++ and "seizing the initiative" on a 5+ at the start of the game. That guy who doesn't tell the new guy his Stormboyz can deploy in deep strike, and so blows them and a looted wagon away on turn one with one shot from his bs manticore sitting in the opposite corner of the map, or that his lootas can 'go to ground' causing them too to get wiped out in one shot as well, and who insists on challenging out the PK nob in every single combat. That guy who wanders off during the game, constantly checks his phone, and barely says a word throughout.

feth you, That Guy. Bring your power list to play the power gamers, don't waste my time with it.

Yes I'm mad.

*who insists on challenging out the PK nob in every single combat* To be fair, i think everyone does this. No one wants to take those PK attacks, so we challange them out and kill them. Not exactly Power Gamer material.

To me the worst kind of players are either fluff that arn't fluff ( My ork/tau army is really fluff, so i dont expect to win. A few broadsides later ''Yeay, never expected to win with my fluffy army vs your competitive one'' Or if i win '' Oh well, just what i expected from playing a Power Gamer like you'') Or people who dont know there own rules. I dont want to have to remind you if you have Krak granades, but if i dont i feel bad. but i shouldn't have to.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
*who insists on challenging out the PK nob in every single combat* To be fair, i think everyone does this. No one wants to take those PK attacks, so we challange them out and kill them. Not exactly Power Gamer material.

To me the worst kind of players are either fluff that arn't fluff ( My ork/tau army is really fluff, so i dont expect to win. A few broadsides later ''Yeay, never expected to win with my fluffy army vs your competitive one'' Or if i win '' Oh well, just what i expected from playing a Power Gamer like you'') Or people who dont know there own rules. I dont want to have to remind you if you have Krak granades, but if i dont i feel bad. but i shouldn't have to.

Try being the poor 12 year old kid who shows up with his Daemons to his first game against the new Grey Knights, looking for an awesome 'Daid vs Goliath' type of match...
...and gets Turn 1 Warp Quaked into oblivion with quake-juggling shinanigans thrown in for added insult.

I was not the only person who was ready to break That Guy's stupid face in as he sat there gloating about how badly he'd just crushed a poor kid who now looked like he was on the verge of tears.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
*who insists on challenging out the PK nob in every single combat* To be fair, i think everyone does this. No one wants to take those PK attacks, so we challange them out and kill them. Not exactly Power Gamer material.

I know, and my Nob stomped a gakload of Termie sergeants during those challenges to boot. It was the way he did it that fethed me off. Plus the fact that multiple klaw attacks had to go on the same guy and kill him three times over rather than kill three termies.

"You challenging? No? Well then I'm challenging you!" every single fuckin time. Give the new guy a break man

Worst player:

Cheater (intentional)

Reason:

It is not a game if you do not follow the rules.
It is then only abuse of your opponent.

Result:

No respect for me, my time, my fun = I am being used to fluff up their ego. Go somewhere else.

 Dr. What wrote:
The one who tells you that the rule from your codex, which he has never read, is wrong.

^This.

Here are my top 3.

1. See Above

2. Hypothetical Player - The one who tells you what he could have done or how he should of beat you, failing that he starts tellling you units he could make that would 'totally own' your unit blah blah blah.

3. 'The Quoter' - the player who dictates everything that is going on, tells you your own rules and stats etc as you play, even though you have made it clear you know/understand them. Also dictates from the brb at every available point.

Experiment 626 wrote:
That Guy's stupid face in as he sat there gloating about how badly he'd just crushed a poor kid who now looked like he was on the verge of tears.

Again, this is the player's behaviour not his list. Just because I always field strong lists doesn't mean I won't throw a game because a cool 12 year old wants to play (they're a fething rare breed so it's good to keep them around). It also doesn't mean I'm a bad winner or bad loser. It means I enjoy the aspect of competitive list building which is as much a part of the hobby as painting.

to reiterate:

Competitive =/= jackass.

 Griddlelol wrote:
doesn't mean I won't throw a game because a cool 12 year old wants to play

I prefer to think of it as making a tactical error that inadvertently provides your opponent an improved opportunity at success.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
*who insists on challenging out the PK nob in every single combat* To be fair, i think everyone does this. No one wants to take those PK attacks, so we challange them out and kill them. Not exactly Power Gamer material.

To me the worst kind of players are either fluff that arn't fluff ( My ork/tau army is really fluff, so i dont expect to win. A few broadsides later ''Yeay, never expected to win with my fluffy army vs your competitive one'' Or if i win '' Oh well, just what i expected from playing a Power Gamer like you'') Or people who dont know there own rules. I dont want to have to remind you if you have Krak granades, but if i dont i feel bad. but i shouldn't have to.

Try being the poor 12 year old kid who shows up with his Daemons to his first game against the new Grey Knights, looking for an awesome 'Daid vs Goliath' type of match...
...and gets Turn 1 Warp Quaked into oblivion with quake-juggling shinanigans thrown in for added insult.

I was not the only person who was ready to break That Guy's stupid face in as he sat there gloating about how badly he'd just crushed a poor kid who now looked like he was on the verge of tears.

That guy should have been told to stop and if he refused or put up a fuss then you kick his to the curb. Then someone needed to go talk to the kid and fix what that TFG did. I am now a TO at my local venue and if I saw this that is what I would have done. People like That Guy ruin the integrity of the game and make us look bad.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Try being the poor 12 year old kid who shows up with his Daemons to his first game against the new Grey Knights, looking for an awesome 'Daid vs Goliath' type of match...
...and gets Turn 1 Warp Quaked into oblivion with quake-juggling shinanigans thrown in for added insult.

I was not the only person who was ready to break That Guy's stupid face in as he sat there gloating about how badly he'd just crushed a poor kid who now looked like he was on the verge of tears.

That fething guy really needed a swift kick in the reproductive organs, hopefully disabling said organs for life.

i am pretty tolerant of anyone but there are always a few.....

1) i dont need to be called a beardy player because my first army was grey knights and i still play them....

2) people who are too easily distracted. i find that if someone is looking away when i am about to roll to wound them i patiently wait a few seconds before rolling the dice and picking up the ones that wounded, keeping them to a side somewhere and then saying it was something ridiculous like "firing my 5 stormbolters at you....." kid looks away due to shiny object/glitter/random female number 45 or something "that'll be 65 saves"
usually works first time a polite joke ;-)



but obviously, the worst kind of player is the one you would not like to play again

Other - the player who expects everyone else to enjoy the game the same way he does.

mrspadge wrote:
2) people who are too easily distracted. i find that if someone is looking away when i am about to roll to wound them i patiently wait a few seconds before rolling the dice and picking up the ones that wounded, keeping them to a side somewhere and then saying it was something ridiculous like "firing my 5 stormbolters at you....." kid looks away due to shiny object/glitter/random female number 45 or something "that'll be 65 saves"
usually works first time a polite joke ;-)

Sometimes people have too many thoughts in their noggins, you know, so you can't blame them (unless they are being perverts, which comes with its own problems). If there's a random sparkle in the corner of your eye, wouldn't you be annoyed and distracted? Especially if you wear glasses, because then the reflection is blinding.

 Trondheim wrote:
Neck beards and unwashed players, oh and anyone who plays Tau

What is your beef against Tau? Just seems strange to me, please explain.


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 tvih wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Try being the poor 12 year old kid who shows up with his Daemons to his first game against the new Grey Knights, looking for an awesome 'Daid vs Goliath' type of match...
...and gets Turn 1 Warp Quaked into oblivion with quake-juggling shinanigans thrown in for added insult.

I was not the only person who was ready to break That Guy's stupid face in as he sat there gloating about how badly he'd just crushed a poor kid who now looked like he was on the verge of tears.

That fething guy really needed a swift kick in the reproductive organs, hopefully disabling said organs for life.

Damn. That guy... just reading this makes me seethe with rage. Hopefully the kid still plays his daemons, people who play daemons get a thumbs up in my book.

A few years back I played marines as close to swarm as marines could get. Was something like 3 squads and 3 tanks/tranports at 1k points. My opponent was an ork pplayer with only a slight increase of total models than me and after a sound beating caused so much trouble that he was told to leave the game shop.

Damn, that must have been scary to face, 3 of each at 1k?

Easy: The bad sportsman/sportswoman; Its that gamer who doesn't know how to win/lose with grace.

 tvih wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
Smoking is an addiction - self inflicted, but still an addiction.
Letting someone who smokes go for one mid game isn't any different to them going for a toilet break. They both can take 10 minutes and they both could come back smelling. Both can lead to a much happier opponant.
A game where everyone is happy is the best game.

It's different. One is a choice, one technically isn't (especially if you're like me and have... health issues related to that, though luckily to date that's never been an issue for any 40k games I've played). You could just take a dump on the gaming room floor for example, but I think everyone can agree that that's not exactly a good idea

Also despite the "tone" in my previous post I'm not saying I would refuse to play against smokers or anything. Just don't expect me to be happy about it if you're hopping out for a cig all the time, and/or smell like it. The smell/smoke of cigarettes gives me a killer headache very, very fast, aside from just simply being a bad smell in its own right.

This ^^

I grew up with both of my parents being smokers (one smoked cigarettes the other cigars) and developed an allergy to the smoke from specific cigars and cigarettes that just give me a killer migraine in seconds flat. It's for this particular reason that I don't particularly enjoy spending time with smokers while they are smoking or just after they had finished smoking. Normally it isn't a problem during a game if my opponent goes out for a smoke break (Heck it gives me more time to study the table and further develop my strategy). If for some reason I do get any side effects from the smoking I'll politely let my opponent know what's going on and apologize if my attitude changes during the game.