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 Deadshot wrote:
Magnus is a silly name. Don't care if he's grandmaster of the Starship Enterprise, still find it silly. Especially when purposefully chosen to describe a giant. THAT'S what makes it silly in the same vein as Ferris Manus.

Magnus really isn't that weird or silly. Magnus is rather common, and it's no weirder than "titus" "maximus" "lucius" "julius" etc. etc. It's just a Latin pun GW felt like pulling, and is nothing compared to the Iron Hand having Iron Hands, being the leader of the Iron Hands, who happen to have Iron Hands, and use Iron Hands as their symbol. That level of stupidity takes the cake.

Also, Guilliman and Jonson aren't even that weird, why the frack are people saying that those are the silliest?

 Deadshot wrote:

 pax macharia wrote:
I know this will probably get buried, but I believe the 'll' in Guilliman is silent, like guillotine or other French names that make the double L silent.

So it would be pronounced g-ee-uh-min, as in guillotine.

Anyone else?

AFAIK, adding the L sound is Americanizing it, or Englishizing... whatever......

Its an English company created by Queen's English speakers so you have to assume the Queen's English pronunciation is correct unless otherwise specified or its a specifically foreign word.

You're right, I have to, otherwise the redcoats'll come get me hahahaha

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 Deadshot wrote:
In any case the point is moot. The Space Marine video game has one character shout "What in Guilliman's name is this?!" And pronounces it Gwill-ee-min. That's an official GW production, liscenced and support by the company, so probably the closest we have to an "official statement" on the pronunciation.

And we all know that game to be a shining pinnacle of lore representation. They didn't include a cover system because Astartes don't use cover... At least according to Relic, the studio who actually made the game.

http://www.destructoid.com/real-space-marines-don-t-use-cover-systems-181332.phtml

 pax macharia wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 pax macharia wrote:
I know this will probably get buried, but I believe the 'll' in Guilliman is silent, like guillotine or other French names that make the double L silent.

So it would be pronounced g-ee-uh-min, as in guillotine.

Anyone else?

AFAIK, adding the L sound is Americanizing it, or Englishizing... whatever......

Its an English company created by Queen's English speakers so you have to assume the Queen's English pronunciation is correct unless otherwise specified or its a specifically foreign word.

You're right, I have to, otherwise the redcoats'll come get me hahahaha

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 Deadshot wrote:
In any case the point is moot. The Space Marine video game has one character shout "What in Guilliman's name is this?!" And pronounces it Gwill-ee-min. That's an official GW production, liscenced and support by the company, so probably the closest we have to an "official statement" on the pronunciation.

And we all know that game to be a shining pinnacle of lore representation. They didn't include a cover system because Astartes don't use cover... At least according to Relic, the studio who actually made the game.

http://www.destructoid.com/real-space-marines-don-t-use-cover-systems-181332.phtml

Well if using a British computer, british spellchecker and British typist, you're going to use the British spelling and grammar, and vocab, not the American. And its a british company using british computers and typists. Assume that you use the British spelling unless shown otherwise. If it were an American conpany you would use American vocab.

True, but its still a GW funded game, and tif they were displeased with that pronunciation they would have said. And its still the closest thijg to an "official statement" we have.

 Deadshot wrote:

 pax macharia wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 pax macharia wrote:
I know this will probably get buried, but I believe the 'll' in Guilliman is silent, like guillotine or other French names that make the double L silent.

So it would be pronounced g-ee-uh-min, as in guillotine.

Anyone else?

AFAIK, adding the L sound is Americanizing it, or Englishizing... whatever......

Its an English company created by Queen's English speakers so you have to assume the Queen's English pronunciation is correct unless otherwise specified or its a specifically foreign word.

You're right, I have to, otherwise the redcoats'll come get me hahahaha

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 Deadshot wrote:
In any case the point is moot. The Space Marine video game has one character shout "What in Guilliman's name is this?!" And pronounces it Gwill-ee-min. That's an official GW production, liscenced and support by the company, so probably the closest we have to an "official statement" on the pronunciation.

And we all know that game to be a shining pinnacle of lore representation. They didn't include a cover system because Astartes don't use cover... At least according to Relic, the studio who actually made the game.

http://www.destructoid.com/real-space-marines-don-t-use-cover-systems-181332.phtml

Well if using a British computer, british spellchecker and British typist, you're going to use the British spelling and grammar, and vocab, not the American. And its a british company using british computers and typists. Assume that you use the British spelling unless shown otherwise. If it were an American conpany you would use American vocab.

True, but its still a GW funded game, and tif they were displeased with that pronunciation they would have said. And its still the closest thijg to an "official statement" we have.

However, there are likely millions of different accents in 40k, with people from different worlds, different regions on said worlds, different asteroid belts, etc. etc. each saying it differently. You could have people from Ultramar say "Gwill-ee-min", while people from Terra say "Gill-uh-min" while people from Cadia say "Gee-yo-min", etc. etc.

 Deadshot wrote:
Well if using a British computer, british spellchecker and British typist, you're going to use the British spelling and grammar, and vocab, not the American. And its a british company using british computers and typists. Assume that you use the British spelling unless shown otherwise. If it were an American conpany you would use American vocab.

True, but its still a GW funded game, and tif they were displeased with that pronunciation they would have said. And its still the closest thijg to an "official statement" we have.

Saying I should use language one way or another is called linguistic prescriptivism, it's a language philosophy which believes language should maintain a concrete set of rules basically breaking it down into right an wrong, linguistic descriptivism however approaches the nature language as constantly changing. There's nothing I need to do, I can say it however I want. At this point it feels like you're just telling me what to do cause even you said

 Deadshot wrote:
the point is moot.

The game says they don't use cover, GW didn't say no to that so I guess Astartes, at least Ultras, don't use cover? You can't know that about GW, and saying 'closest thing to an "official statement"' is another way of saying 'unnofficial statement' which makes it moot as well.

I guess the most reliable recording would be a black library audio book and even then, I still like my version.

I'd probably say Ferrus Manus. His name is just "Iron Hands" translated into Latin, which would make him Iron Hands the iron handed and the Primach of the Iron Hands.

The only one I can't stomach is Horus. 101 Dalmatians immediately comes to mind haha. Sad too, because he is the most influential/significant character of all of them.


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 pax macharia wrote:


And we all know that game to be a shining pinnacle of lore representation. They didn't include a cover system because Astartes don't use cover... At least according to Relic, the studio who actually made the game.

http://www.destructoid.com/real-space-marines-don-t-use-cover-systems-181332.phtml

I thought it was pretty spot on. Honestly, 3+ armor is better than almost all cover on the tabletop, so it's not too far off. If you are taking your armor save while in cover, you aren't making much use of the cover, right?

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
It could be that it looks a little sketchy to pronounce when you first look at it it. I chose Rogal Dorn, since to me Rogal just does not sound good ending with Dorn.

Rogal related to the 2nd baseman, Roger Dorn maybe?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Charlemagne was not named Magnus, he was named Karl. Or Carolus in Latin. Carolus Magnus means Charles the Great. Magnus was his title, not his name.
And yes, people in 40.000 years still being named Lionel or Johnson is ridiculous. Take a look at names from just 5000 years ago, they are already unrecognisable. Realistically, languages and names 40.000 years into the future should be completely weird and nonsensical to us..

The current crown prince of Norway is called Håkon Magnus. There were 5 King Magnus in Norway with it as a name not a title, the first of them named after Charlemagne (the story is mildly interesting) so it certainly has a regal feel to it in northern europe.

I think Horus is nonsensical. Sounds like "Whore-us" to me...

About names staying the same, people are still being called jacob, abraham and daniel. Which are 3-4000 year old names. With the establishment of written records and personal documents/names, it is not implausible that there will be Johnsons, Smiths and Rodriguez'es 40 000 years from now.

Silliest primarch name?

The new one!

Sigmar!


Boo hiss!

It's a tie between rowboat girlyman and angron the angry

I'm genuinely surprised that Angrypants isn't number one. TO me that has always been by far the silliest one although there are some other good contenders for the title. Out of the top three on the poll I'd actually say that Rowboat Girlyman is the least ridiculous. Ferrus Manus' name is just stupid and has always been a prime example of lazy writing, but whatever. And when it comes to The Lion, truly the greatest of them all, I can't help but think that someone thought they had the greatest of ideas for the name of the legion and their primarch and they've been pretty much forced to stick with it. Also, remember that it originally was spelled Lyyn Elgonsen, how much sillier is that?

So, after a lot of votes, we can start grouping them.

Serious names- these all remained in single digits and deserve respect... and by respect, we mean that serious is a master smith that loves fire is named after a God of smithing and volcanoes.

Lorgar
Mortarion
Vulkan
Magnus the Red
Horus
Rogal Dorn
Fulgrim

Second tier is-

Jaghatai Khan
Sanguinius
Konrad Curze
Leman Russ
Perturabo

Corvus Corax is unique as both a bad spot and a marker for what truly qualifies as bad, as he is the first Primarch that has a name that is an alliteration.

Alpharius and Omegon and Angron are further markers as the only options between 40 and over 100.

Fluff be damned, the Primarchs that need new names are Ferrus Manus, Rouboute Guilliman, and Lion El'Jonson. These names are fething stupid and you should be ashamed if you like their names. Keep in mind, the number of people who voted that Rowboat Girlyman has the silliest name is greater than the number of people who voted for the sum of every Primarch in the first two tiers.

Angron isn't a bad name guys, come on, being named by a slaver subject to barbaric surgery and put into a glatorial arena is going to merit a name that is simple or invokes fear, I don't give a feth if the name sounds stupid in our culture or if it sounds like the word angry. Fluff point of view, angron is fine. (although I think Angron and angrath could use some differentiation).

Knonrad kurze, I never knew the background too, and I didn't have a problem with that name, but ferrus manus is unbelievable. That's no name, and it certainly isn't arguable to be a fitting name from the fluff. I guess its bad mostly because it doesn't really sound like something a Primarch should be. Original, recognizable, and unique names are by far the best.

I really don't know where I stand with Roboute Guilliman, it looks, LOOKS, like an interesting and unique name, but when you read it, then it gets complicated. I find mocking the name distasteful, and I really want the name to sound nice but I have no idea what kind of pronunciation will get me there. It's not really a silly name. Just underwhelming. I think someone was on to something with row butt ayy. gwill I mun.

That's what I think.

 wolfmerc wrote:
Angron isn't a bad name guys, come on, being named by a slaver subject to barbaric surgery and put into a glatorial arena is going to merit a name that is simple or invokes fear, I don't give a feth if the name sounds stupid in our culture or if it sounds like the word angry. Fluff point of view, angron is fine. (although I think Angron and angrath could use some differentiation).

Knonrad kurze, I never knew the background too, and I didn't have a problem with that name, but ferrus manus is unbelievable. That's no name, and it certainly isn't arguable to be a fitting name from the fluff. I guess its bad mostly because it doesn't really sound like something a Primarch should be. Original, recognizable, and unique names are by far the best.

I really don't know where I stand with Roboute Guilliman, it looks, LOOKS, like an interesting and unique name, but when you read it, then it gets complicated. I find mocking the name distasteful, and I really want the name to sound nice but I have no idea what kind of pronunciation will get me there. It's not really a silly name. Just underwhelming. I think someone was on to something with row butt ayy. gwill I mun.

That's what I think.

Rob-boot Gwill-ee-min. Or Rob-boot Gee-uh-man. I asked the french guy I work with how he would pronounce it in French.

I thought Le man might have polled higher. Just picture back in the day.
GW employee 1. "Whos that"
GW employee 2. "Zat, zat is le man"
But Ferrus takes the file and runs out of the park with it.

Lion El'Jonson, its just the name of one of the creators of Games Workshop, is it not?

On a second note, Alpharius Omegon is not one name for one primarch. It's two different names for two different primarchs.

Nope. Lionel Johnson was an English poet who wrote a poem called The Dark Angel.

 Reality-Torrent wrote:
Lion El'Jonson, its just the name of one of the creators of Games Workshop, is it not?

On a second note, Alpharius Omegon is not one name for one primarch. It's two different names for two different primarchs.

I see what your saying but not exactly. As omniscient third-party readers we know that. But to everyone except the Alpha Legion, his name is Alpharius Omegon, not Alpharius and Omegon. The name the Emperor or Horus gave him was Alpharius Omegon.

Has to be Ferrus Manus
Because his name translates to "iron hands"
So Iron hands, who has Iron hands,who is also the leader if the Iron hands, shall lead his Iron hands to kill traitor Iron hands