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These really aren't even good fanservice figures, the designs just look stupid.

 Artemis Black wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.

Hi there, thanks for your comment, as mentioned above, Warzone is doing well and it's growing, however we got two releases at the same day SC and WZR and SC is far better seller than WZR :(

Not to pile on, but it's probably best not to talk about sales figures when your shop uses live stocking. Your box set seems to have sold a mighty 5 boxes, so if it's selling "far better" than WRZ, and you think Warzone is doing well then you are far more easily pleased than I am

Bad form to quote yourself but it's kind of amusing that live stocking has disappeared from your website this morning. I'm sure that's just a coincidence

It's a bit sad that things have got to the point that it's impossible to discuss wargame figure design without SIWs bringing accusations of SJWism into the thread.

 Dentry wrote:
I don't necessarily agree that sculpt quality is bad. The Artemis model, among others, looks well done.

Spoiler:

The one complaint I would make about that model are her feet seem a bit small.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's a bit sad that things have got to the point that it's impossible to discuss wargame figure design without SIWs bringing accusations of SJWism into the thread.

I've seen what something actually being "impossible to discuss" looks like, what we have here barely qualifies as a polite disagreement.

Speaking of polite, the figures illustrated here are a joke. The armor designs are ludicrous, and executed with enough skill that the person responsible should know better. I'm not super impressed with Prodos deciding clumsily ride on someone else's name recognition with designs that barely reach the lofty heights of "uninspired". It sounds an awfully cynical way of conducting business to me.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I've seen what something actually being "impossible to discuss" looks like, what we have here barely qualifies as a polite disagreement.

He didn't say it's impossible to discuss it, he said it's impossible to discuss it "without SIWs bringing accusations of SJWism into the thread".

People were discussing it, and someone brought SJWism into it, so he's right and you're wrong.

I agree with all the negative comments about the "bewbs for bewbs sake", but but it is interesting to see a company with such big brass balls that they so obviously put out a game that is 100% ripped off of 40K.

I mean, Good God, could they insert at least ONE original idea? Damn, Prodos, it's quite impressive.

This COULD have been a good general release, and isn't as bad as is being made out. I suspect the reason people have reacted so negatively to the release as a whole, is because the OP's example mainly had the worst images (the titmarines) and little else in it. They're working off a visceral reaction to the worst shots, without having investigated and noted that the daemonette stuff isn't too bad.

The daemonette style equivalents are reasonable as for as sculpts go, if quite cheesecake. But you'd expect that of daemonettes, so not such a problem there:-


There's a nice Great Unclean One:-



Generally speaking, whilst the Oblits counts as are slightly over the top gratuitious, you can still just about pass that off as being daemonic, etc. They have a slightly robotic vibe to them too, I could see you passing them off as something more cyberpunk.



The counts as Penitent Walker/Dread is a good model or my book. She's not wearing much, but she's not showing much either. Much like the original Penitent Walker. I've put the two together for comparison.



But then.....you hit the space marine/sisters counts as. And these are just objectively BAD. It's one thing to say, 'evil space demons representing the raw lust of humanity' as a reason for cheesecake. Waving off 'well, forcefields' as the reason the humans are same is just sloppy. It's quite literally a porn star in a bikini holding a gun. It could be the paintjob, but it feels like sloppier sculpting too. I looked at that walker above and thought it was quite nice. I look at the titminators or porn saint, and they just seem lower calibre.



In short, I think the daemon version just about work. They're a little cheesecakey, but not really any worse than a Diaz Daemonette. The human equivalents though? Complete flop. I would highly suspect that when Prodos are talking about the sales figures above, it would be the daemonettes that are selling well, but not so much the Boob crusaders from the planet Bikini.

Beyond the Penitent equivalent, these are pretty bad. Like "Rob Liefeld drawing women" bad...

The box won't be a buy for me, but if a penitent engine saw a general release I'd buy it.

Has anyone else noticed that these aren't even "models" but colored renders 'shopped onto pictures of bases?

They seem painted to me.

It's just a horrible rip-off of a game, in every facet from name to models.

Some other company should come out with a game called War-Zone, which is all cheesecake models that exactly ape a selection of Capitol vs. Dark Legion designs, but with boobies.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that these aren't even "models" but colored renders 'shopped onto pictures of bases?

That' pretty well done in that case. I thought that it was pics of actual models.

If true, that's another heads-up for anyone thinking about pre-ordering from Prodos.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that these aren't even "models" but colored renders 'shopped onto pictures of bases?

Looks like a mixture of both to me, the Artemis (guess how happy I am about that ) is obviously a coloured render, probably the chaos bikes too, the porn marines look more like painted prints.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that these aren't even "models" but colored renders 'shopped onto pictures of bases?

yes. The bikes look pretty suspect. The riders look to be 'real' but the machines look to be renders.

Looking at their website says this is shipping after the 23rd feb. Why not say shipping from the 24th feb? Am I being too pedantic or is it wise to be wary of prodos and their shipping times (AVP etc).

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that these aren't even "models" but colored renders 'shopped onto pictures of bases?

You're talking about the Not-Penitant Engine aren't you?

The bikes are obviously shopped together too now that it's been mentioned.

Those models are dumb and Prodos should feel bad.


I like the nurgle chick, though.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Some other company should come out with a game called War-Zone, which is all cheesecake models that exactly ape a selection of Capitol vs. Dark Legion designs, but with boobies.

Begun, the Boob Wars have...

I really don't care about boobies on the minis, it is one factor that makes me less likely to buy but I understand they are a factor that attracts others. But when I see poor designs, such as the bikes:



I see piss poor design. Even in Sci Fi Magic World, if you're putting on exhaust pipes, it is because the bike creates exhaust, and pipes get damned hot. Riding bare legged gets you big painful burns. And having ammo belts flapping around is just stupid. They would get twisted, caught up in the engine/transmission, in the forks. Not to mention, less than 20 ready rounds per gun is silly in itself.

Why must Sci Fi equate to 'really gakky designs because Sci Fi!?

Yeah, the daemon stand-ins work because they're supposed to represent the darkest recesses of the human mind. I think those do a decent job of being unnatural and repulsive for the exaggeration of what would normally be physical beauty. If I was starting a Chaos force with a Slaanesh theme, they'd be interesting for variety at least. I'm not, but they'd certainly have a place there. Makes me kind of surprised that RH didn't already do that, honestly.

Unfortunately it appears that the idea of "Civilized Order vs. Base Animal Instincts" got missed in the game's design notes and they made both sides the same. I don't like the human designs much at all, because I found GW's SoB already veering towards the edge "Boobs for the Boob God!" as it was. The force-field hand-waving doesn't work for me; my arms, which I can survive losing both of, have heavy plate on them but the vitals are not covered at all? Even if I had a force-field I would want my "backup defense" on the things that if I lose them I die.

Throw in that Prodos is making it after jerking around their KS backers, and yeah...even at retail I'm not sure I'd be interested in the daemonette-marines.

Stop calling them Boobs

In the Space Rusade universe the Not-Marines replicate through a process of gene splicing. These genes are harvested from the Seeds that are planted in the women's chests and are not ripe for harvesting until they are the size of Watermelons (big ones, not those artisian little softball sized ones). The process takes time and sees many difficulties throughout the process. The process cannot be done on male subjects as that would be silly.....and no men would ever take to the battlefield if he had a set of these seeds to play with. If the Seeds don't get enough sunlight they will not develop, also a restrictive environment where they are not allowed to expand to their full potential can cause the seeds to corrupt and turn heretical. One side effect of the seed growth is that the women lose their pigmentation during the procedures, which is why they must be digitally repainted. So if you look at them correctly Prodos has made something completely unique to the far future where everything is not sunshine and rainbows.

 CptJake wrote:
I really don't care about boobies on the minis, it is one factor that makes me less likely to buy, but when I see the bikes:

I see piss poor design. Even in Sci Fi Magic World, if you're putting on exhaust pipes, it is because the bike creates exhaust, and pipes get damned hot. Riding bare legged gets you big painful burns. And having ammo belts flapping around is just stupid. They would get twisted, caught up in the engine/transmission, in the forks. Not to mention, less than 20 ready rounds per gun is silly in itself.

Why must Sci Fi equate to 'really gakky designs because Sci Fi!?

People ride bikes with exposed headers wearing shorts all the time. It's not a good idea, but they do. It does depend on how the header pipes are routed. Also you can heat shield pipes, I'm sure in a futuristic world of shield generators that allow you to not wear armour on your torso they can come up with exhaust heat shielding that is mildly better than what we already have today.

Ammo belts flapping, yeah, doesn't sound that practical though compared to much of what you see in 40k it's not that bad.

As for the number of bullets, these are going for the same aesthetic as 40k with absurdly large calibre guns. When you have large calibre guns you tend to not be able to carry a lot of ammo.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I really don't care about boobies on the minis, it is one factor that makes me less likely to buy, but when I see the bikes:

I see piss poor design. Even in Sci Fi Magic World, if you're putting on exhaust pipes, it is because the bike creates exhaust, and pipes get damned hot. Riding bare legged gets you big painful burns. And having ammo belts flapping around is just stupid. They would get twisted, caught up in the engine/transmission, in the forks. Not to mention, less than 20 ready rounds per gun is silly in itself.

Why must Sci Fi equate to 'really gakky designs because Sci Fi!?

People ride bikes with exposed headers wearing shorts all the time. It's not a good idea, but they do. It does depend on how the header pipes are routed. Also you can heat shield pipes, I'm sure in a futuristic world of shield generators that allow you to not wear armour on your torso they can come up with exhaust heat shielding that is mildly better than what we already have today.

Ammo belts flapping, yeah, doesn't sound that practical though compared to much of what you see in 40k it's not that bad.

As for the number of bullets, these are going for the same aesthetic as 40k with absurdly large calibre guns. When you have large calibre guns you tend to not be able to carry a lot of ammo.

I'm looking specifically at these bikes and riders, and the pipes will be burning legs.

As for 40K bikes, their designs are crap too, but that is not what this thread is about. I could as easily have brought up Infinity bikes that clearly use future tech but attempt to have reasonable/realistic designs making use of that tech. These Prodos bikes look like they are using today's tech, they have no futuristic design elements at all. And as such grading their design the way I have is fair. They are poor designs.

while I generally agree

You could choose to view the bikes as demonic rather than mechanical,

so the flapping ammo belts constantly regenerate, nothing would burn the rider (unless they chose to for extra sensation)

I quite like the good faction bikers. I also like several of the heads (especially the pink mohawk girl) and would like to see them attached to either fully armored or lightly armored bodies or available as part.

But as pointed out, what here is a filled render and what is a painted miniature. Moreover, it's Prodos, a company we've all seen in 'glorious' action in previous KS for AVP.

Let the buyer beware.

If you are worried about being an adult man playing with toy soldiers and looking cool while doing it... You're a fool. Whether you field a GD-worthy army of the most sensible and well built minis or these boob demons... You are still an adult male playing with toy soldiers. You've already lost the "cool" battle to a myriad other hobbies. So might as well stop worrying about it.

If, on the other hand, you feel the extreme desire to shout "sexism! Degradation of women! Burn it in a holy fire!" Then, my friend, that's your inflamed political correctness showing. The good news is that you are in lock-step with the times. The bad? Quite simply, who are you to judge, really, what someone chooses to sculpt, paint or sell? We are still talking about bits of plastic, metal and resin here. If you don't like it, ignore it and move on, and find something more real and harmful to be outraged about. If Prodos is putting out bad product, then surely nobody will buy it and it will go away on its own, courtesy of the almighty dollar and without any help from you whatsoever.

To wit: If there were fewer attempts to police everything accordingly to the ever-evolving standards set by, frankly, tumblr-level mentality, then there would likely be fewer ceremonial nose-thumbings at the said policing. Not that Prodos is doing any of the sort mind you, they are just trying to make a buck. But the outrage around this is hilarious, really.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
If you are worried about being an adult man playing with toy soldiers and looking cool while doing it... You're a fool. Whether you field a GD-worthy army of the most sensible and well built minis or these boob demons... You are still an adult male playing with toy soldiers. You've already lost the "cool" battle to a myriad other hobbies. So might as well stop worrying about it.

If, on the other hand, you feel the extreme desire to shout "sexism! Degradation of women! Burn it in a holy fire!" Then, my friend, that's your inflamed political correctness showing. The good news is that you are in lock-step with the times. The bad? Quite simply, who are you to judge, really, what someone chooses to sculpt, paint or sell? We are still talking about bits of plastic, metal and resin here. If you don't like it, ignore it and move on, and find something more real and harmful to be outraged about. If Prodos is putting out bad product, then surely nobody will buy it and it will go away on its own, courtesy of the almighty dollar and without any help from you whatsoever.

To wit: If there were fewer attempts to police everything accordingly to the ever-evolving standards set by, frankly, tumblr-level mentality, then there would likely be fewer ceremonial nose-thumbings at the said policing. Not that Prodos is doing any of the sort mind you, they are just trying to make a buck. But the outrage around this is hilarious, really.

I'm seeing little to no actual outrage over the sexism here, a bit of facepalming certainly, but the huge negative feedback, and something that I tend to agree with, is the really weird blend of superheavy armor and bared tits, which makes these difficult to love. People taking issue with this as 'liberal outrage' are sort of missing the point...

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
If you are worried about being an adult man playing with toy soldiers and looking cool while doing it... You're a fool. Whether you field a GD-worthy army of the most sensible and well built minis or these boob demons... You are still an adult male playing with toy soldiers. You've already lost the "cool" battle to a myriad other hobbies. So might as well stop worrying about it.

If, on the other hand, you feel the extreme desire to shout "sexism! Degradation of women! Burn it in a holy fire!" Then, my friend, that's your inflamed political correctness showing. The good news is that you are in lock-step with the times. The bad? Quite simply, who are you to judge, really, what someone chooses to sculpt, paint or sell? We are still talking about bits of plastic, metal and resin here. If you don't like it, ignore it and move on, and find something more real and harmful to be outraged about. If Prodos is putting out bad product, then surely nobody will buy it and it will go away on its own, courtesy of the almighty dollar and without any help from you whatsoever.

To wit: If there were fewer attempts to police everything accordingly to the ever-evolving standards set by, frankly, tumblr-level mentality, then there would likely be fewer ceremonial nose-thumbings at the said policing. Not that Prodos is doing any of the sort mind you, they are just trying to make a buck. But the outrage around this is hilarious, really.

If you like these models, that's fine. Different strokes for different folks. What I find hilarious is we've had two posters so far essentially say there's some huge politically correct flummox over sexism, when it's more just folks sharing their criticisms over the models.

 CptJake wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I really don't care about boobies on the minis, it is one factor that makes me less likely to buy, but when I see the bikes:

I see piss poor design. Even in Sci Fi Magic World, if you're putting on exhaust pipes, it is because the bike creates exhaust, and pipes get damned hot. Riding bare legged gets you big painful burns. And having ammo belts flapping around is just stupid. They would get twisted, caught up in the engine/transmission, in the forks. Not to mention, less than 20 ready rounds per gun is silly in itself.

Why must Sci Fi equate to 'really gakky designs because Sci Fi!?

People ride bikes with exposed headers wearing shorts all the time. It's not a good idea, but they do. It does depend on how the header pipes are routed. Also you can heat shield pipes, I'm sure in a futuristic world of shield generators that allow you to not wear armour on your torso they can come up with exhaust heat shielding that is mildly better than what we already have today.

Ammo belts flapping, yeah, doesn't sound that practical though compared to much of what you see in 40k it's not that bad.

As for the number of bullets, these are going for the same aesthetic as 40k with absurdly large calibre guns. When you have large calibre guns you tend to not be able to carry a lot of ammo.

I'm looking specifically at these bikes and riders, and the pipes will be burning legs.

The pipes are routed forward and down under the pegs, it's hard to see where they kick up at the rear and whether it's close enough to burn the calves.... but as I said, heat shielding. Even with today's technology I could design you heat shields that would get the exposed part of a pipe down to the point where they're hot to the touch but won't damage your skin.

As for 40K bikes, their designs are crap too, but that is not what this thread is about. I could as easily have brought up Infinity bikes that clearly use future tech but attempt to have reasonable/realistic designs making use of that tech. These Prodos bikes look like they are using today's tech, they have no futuristic design elements at all. And as such grading their design the way I have is fair. They are poor designs.

I don't particularly think they're great designs and it's fine to not like a design for no other reason that "I don't like it".... but I also think your analysis was "meh" at best.

"These minis make no sense" argument is also invalid.

We play in a setting where regular guys, equipped worse than your average Joe Infantryman in Iraq, fight and win battles in hostile environments against enemies with supernatural powers. Where one of the greatest heroes rides into battle on a rocket sled pulled by giant wolves (and accompanied by supermen riding more giant wolves). Where the best armor ever made would make it damn near impossible to slowly walk, much less fight in, had it existed in real life.

40k makes no sense, and this model range, clearly intended to parody/rip off/fanservice the setting is under no obligation to make sense either.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
"These minis make no sense" argument is also invalid.

We play in a setting where regular guys, equipped worse than your average Joe Infantryman in Iraq, fight and win battles in hostile environments against enemies with supernatural powers. Where one of the greatest heroes rides into battle on a rocket sled pulled by giant wolves (and accompanied by supermen riding more giant wolves). Where the best armor ever made would make it damn near impossible to slowly walk, much less fight in, had it existed in real life.

40k makes no sense, and this model range, clearly intended to parody/rip off/fanservice the setting is under no obligation to make sense either.

There are a fair few who object to santa and his wolf drawn sleigh. For its failings though it doesn't have the look of marbles slapped onto a torso. YMMV.

The Space Rusade good ladies are pretty sub par. Not quite but getting close to GW's Dark Eldar Slave girls for ridiculousness.