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Good points are the quality of the new miniatures, sculpt variety, new board, better counters and team balancing etc.

Bad points were the lack of painted minis to show off, nothing but sketches and a render or two and that was it.

Also, no new rules previews, or any real explanation of how the game was being improved, the new agility stat just sounds like more complication.

The rules update is very, very conservative and nowhere close to what KoW2 and Deadzone v2 got, it will be more of a compendium than anything else.

It is ultimately a single board game with way too many expansions at this point, far more than anyone can possibly own or paint, at which point, completionists don't buy in, and people just get a team or two to play the game with.

Unlike wargames, there is a hard upper limit to the appeal of a game like this, and it isn't enough of a board game to appeal to board gamers.

Then there are external factors like the horribly $ to £ ratio currently.

It has done well considering!

All done at $183,853 dropped again at the end with a painted pledge dropping out.

Went with a Jack pledge in the end just couldn't justify the $90 for the Striker pledge.

I'm happy with my $90 pledge for some new gribblies but mainly a revised rulebook with the errata and whatnot compiled into it.

I dropped my $90 pledge last night. Don't get me wrong, I thought what they were offering was a good for $90, but frankly that $90 gets me a Death Masque box next week instead of a Dreadball 2.0 a year from now.

I already have more teams than I know what to do with from the previous DB kickstarters. This purchase will just wait until retail next year to get the updated rules.

I suspect there are also a good number of past Manctic KS backers burnt out by the frequency of their KS campaigns, cheesed off by treatment of KS backers, and the overabundance of Mantic products being sold at comparable prices at retail.

As someone who did not back the first dreadball game, but is interested in playing the new one, I saw nothing that made backing worth my while.

I can keep hold of my hobby money now, use it in my local game shop to buy stuff now, and see what dreadball is like when it hits shops next year.

There was nothing I could see that benefited me giving them money a year before release (probably longer).

I personally think they should probably steer clear of kickstarter for a while until they launch something that is actually new.

I held onto a pledge for a while, but in the end couldn't even justify a Jack pledge in my current situation. Better off waiting, and actually using some of what I already have after getting too much in DBX.

The lack of other uses for the minis is also a factor I think. They're useful for Dreadball and nothing else, even if you play dreadball every week, you're not going to use them all, or paint them all. Which renders the bulk of the range of interest to collectors or painters only, and that's a very limited market.

Whereas with everything else they make, there is crossover, Dungeon Saga models have been great for using in KoW games, and the sci-fi games are all cross-compatible (even mars attacks!).

Their next Kickstarter will probably be sci-fi Dungeon Saga, and if done correctly, the minis made for it should also be compatible with Deadzone, Firefight and Warpath.

Could be a really good way to release full GCPS and Zz'or armies in hard plastic, and have a proper boxed board game like the ones GW has been releasing recently.

It all depends on how they approach it, but their core sci-fi and fantasy games are probably the ones to focus on at this point. KoW and Deadzone are doing great, Dungeon Saga was a huge success as well.

I think they can do well with some consolidation at this point, really focusing on great new releases for the core games, with cross-compatible models / IP across all the sci-fi and fantasy games.

Well they did say this yesterday (about Sci-Fi DS)

You'll have to wait and see. It's not Corp v Veer-myn like Pandora, it's something else

It should be far more usable with both Warpath and DZ.

It's probably about 2-3 months away

Oh, and Blaine has just been offered a contract. Seems like someone on the Council of Seven has a messy and dirty job they want doing...and looks like they need credible deniability and expendable assets! Watch the social media channels in a few week’s time for more!

Ultimately I decided against getting in on this, even for just the book to play the new version. I expect it's the sort of thing I'll find floating about for sale in a year or so for cheap.

I found this KS skippable, so I skipped it. I have little doubt that I'll be able to pick it up later for the same price or better at retail.

I hope Mantic will knock Sci-Fi DS out of the park, but they either need to re-learn how to offer genuinely good deals, or they need to bulk up on great KS exclusives so that their campaigns become "can't miss" again. From what I've seen, they've gotten better at covering their own risk by offering less for more, and the diminishing pledger interest has been entirely predictable.

Vermonter said it well. I'll take a page out of Mantic's book and protect my own assets by waiting for the clearance sale.

Also, no Blaine in this campaign? That's like opening a theme park without a churro stand.

Yeah, I'd skip a Sci Fi DS. To be perfectly honest, while Mantic's fun and all, it's not Star Wars. So, Imperial Assault will always win for me.

It's going to take some serious swag for me to put the money up front for another Mantic campaign.

A scifi dungeon crawl might tempt me. Especially if there's the cross compatibility with Deadzone and Warpath baked in from the beginning.

But they need to make it worth my while.