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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Traditio, in the least offensive way I can say this, I do not think 40k in it's current state suits you well.

If you can find someone willing to play you by all those arbitrary and frankly misguided and ignorant rules you set up, good for you.

Is this thread salvageable any more?

See, this is what I find amazing.

You will find people like Peregrine whining and complaining about people who play Horus Heresy and actively shun power gamers. He'll call such behavior "toxic."

Meanwhile, when casual gamers decry power gamers in 40k, people like peregrine and you will engage in exactly the same behavior.

It's positively bizarre.

Peregrine to 30k player who doesn't like playing against power gamers: "That's toxic! You're limiting the number of people who can play!"
Peregrine to 40k player who doesn't want to power game: "You should either play my way or GTFO!"

30k =/= 40k

Threads can't really be locked willy nilly; they have to be really out of control for that. This is just a normal day in the 40k forums

 Traditio wrote:
Peregrine to 40k player who doesn't want to power game: "You should either play my way or GTFO!"

You do understand that I'm mocking you here, right? That my "play overpowered or GTFO" is a parody of your "play nothing but tactical squads or GTFO" claims?

 Peregrine wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
Peregrine to 40k player who doesn't want to power game: "You should either play my way or GTFO!"

You do understand that I'm mocking you here, right? That my "play overpowered or GTFO" is a parody of your "play nothing but tactical squads or GTFO" claims?

You might be. Sgt. Smudge is not.

And I reiterate this point:

As of the beginning of 6th edition, 40k began dying. Enjoy the smoldering embers while they last, power gamers. By the looks of things, your time is numbered. Who will you power game against when GW is bankrupt and people like me have decided that playing solitaire is more enjoyable than playing against you?

Food for thought.

Lol. Who will power gamers power game against when non power gamers aren't around any more?

Other power gamers

What he and Sgt. Smudge are doing has absolutely nothing to do with 30k. This is not a 30k thread. They are defending the right for all people to bring whatever they want in a game of 40k without suffering arbitrary restrictions from a person whose views of 40k haven't changed in 10 years. I severely doubt the sort of people in your "power gamer" group even exist, let alone are that prevalent.

Put a Manta on the table at any point level and I'm willing to bet Traditio will have a heart attack on the spot.

Is Forgeworld stuff shenanigans?

Are units of 3 unupgraded jetbikes?

What about my EC repeatedly killing better units than himself?

 Selym wrote:
Is Forgeworld stuff shenanigans?

Are units of 3 unupgraded jetbikes?

Yes. Yes to all of that. No. Shelymanigans!

What about my EC repeatedly killing better units than himself?

EC is fine. Your opponents need to git gud.

 Traditio wrote:
Your opponents need to git gud.

Nope, definitely not serious now

 Traditio wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Is Forgeworld stuff shenanigans?

Are units of 3 unupgraded jetbikes?

Yes. Yes to all of that. No. Shelymanigans!

What about my EC repeatedly killing better units than himself?

EC is fine. Your opponents need to git gud.

Oh, so other underperforming players need to git gud, but when you have difficulties, the entire community must bend to your will.

Narcissism at it's finest.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
Your opponents need to git gud.

Nope, definitely not serious now

Emporer's Champion is fine. He is a space marine with a 2+ armor save, 4+ invuln with a big sword. He's a close combat model with a relatively high price tag with literally no shenanigans to help him actually get into close combat. No option to get on a bike. No option to take a jump pack.

And he has virtually no special rules that actually matter.

The only way he's doing anything is if you put him in a landraider with some other dudes.

He's legit not shenanigans. He's something straight out of 5th edition or prior. If you can't deal with him, that's on you.

I believe the thread has just jumped the shark.

 Traditio wrote:

He's legit not shenanigans. He's something straight out of 5th edition or prior. If you can't deal with him, that's on you.

No shenanigans? BT rules look terribad on paper, but they turn an overpriced HQ choice (EC) into a rape train when used right.

My friends call him "The Ghurka Marine" for a reason.

Selym wrote:No shenanigans? BT rules look terribad on paper, but they turn an overpriced HQ choice (EC) into a rape train when used right.

My friends call him "The Ghurka Marine" for a reason.

Are your opponents unable to deal with a single landraider?

Ohnono, as Traditio (the One and Only Legislator of What Is Balanced) said, because its rules resemble 5th edition, it is perfectly fine.

 Traditio wrote:
As of the beginning of 6th edition, 40k began dying. Enjoy the smoldering embers while they last, power gamers. By the looks of things, your time is numbered. Who will you power game against when GW is bankrupt and people like me have decided that playing solitaire is more enjoyable than playing against you?

Food for thought.

As of the beginning of 6th edition, 40k began dying. Enjoy the smoldering embers while they last, casual gamers. By the looks of things, your time is numbered. Who will you casual game against when GW is bankrupt and people like me have decided that playing solitaire is more enjoyable than playing against you?

Food for thought.

PS: still waiting for you to admit that you were wrong about Aun'va, and wrong about the Malcador.

 Traditio wrote:

Selym wrote:No shenanigans? BT rules look terribad on paper, but they turn an overpriced HQ choice (EC) into a rape train when used right.

My friends call him "The Ghurka Marine" for a reason.

Are your opponents unable to deal with a single landraider?

You evidently are.

 Traditio wrote:

Selym wrote:No shenanigans? BT rules look terribad on paper, but they turn an overpriced HQ choice (EC) into a rape train when used right.

My friends call him "The Ghurka Marine" for a reason.

Are your opponents unable to deal with a single landraider?

Two. The other has *giggle* Hammernators.

Drop Pod Dreadnought and infiltrating scouts to skew the opponent's targeting priorities, and a Razorback of Devastators for support.

Combine that with a good estimation of how many of the enemy's guns I can safely expose each Raider to each turn, and I have caused some serious pwnage with them.

Are you unable to deal with the majority of the game?

 Traditio wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
Your opponents need to git gud.

Nope, definitely not serious now

Emporer's Champion is fine. He is a space marine with a 2+ armor save, 4+ invuln with a big sword. He's a close combat model with a relatively high price tag with literally no shenanigans to help him actually get into close combat. No option to get on a bike. No option to take a jump pack.

And he has virtually no special rules that actually matter.

The only way he's doing anything is if you put him in a landraider with some other dudes.

He's legit not shenanigans. He's something straight out of 5th edition or prior. If you can't deal with him, that's on you.

It really had nothing to do with that - you're asking people to Dark Souls Meme in a game with a very low skill ceiling and very high amounts of luck. That's just straight up stupid friend

WHOAH

A Landraider is fine, but a Riptide is too strong for a 10k point game?! Are you just messing around?

 Traditio wrote:
He is a space marine with a 2+ armor save, 4+ invuln with a big sword.

That sounds an awful lot like shenanigans to me. It would take my LRBT an average of 6-7 turns of shooting to kill that EC, and we all know that anything my battle cannon can't kill is shenanigans.

 Selym wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

Selym wrote:No shenanigans? BT rules look terribad on paper, but they turn an overpriced HQ choice (EC) into a rape train when used right.

My friends call him "The Ghurka Marine" for a reason.

Are your opponents unable to deal with a single landraider?

Two. The other has *giggle* Hammernators.

Drop Pod Dreadnought and infiltrating scouts to skew the opponent's targeting priorities, and a Razorback of Devastators for support.

Combine that with a good estimation of how many of the enemy's guns I can safely expose each Raider to each turn, and I have caused some serious pwnage with them.

Completely OP. Remove the Dreadnought and the Scouts and replace with tactical marines. Infiltrate and Deep Strike are shenanigans.

 Traditio wrote:

Build something that actually looks like an army. No fewer than 50 models at 1850 points. And no "auto-takes." No superheavies. No gargantuan monstrous creatures. No grav. None of it. And it had all better come in CAD form, for feth's sake.
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How nice of you to be elitist who dictates to others what is fun for them.

I think you guys are giving Traditio way too much credit as someone who actually believes what he's saying.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
I think you guys are giving Traditio way too much credit as someone who actually believes what he's saying.

Most the time I'm not even convinced he knows what he's saying let alone believes it

The best part is that Traditio honestly believes he's not the elitist donkey-cave in all this.

Truly amazing.

 Traditio wrote:
Is this for a tournament or for a friendly game?

Are you looking to win or make friends?

He's defo serious.