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 Traditio wrote:

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 Wolfblade wrote:
Aun'VA has anot item that gives him an invul/cover save (forget which) that equal to the AP of the weapon that's shooting at him.

Yes. Don't run him. Run something else that doesn't involve shenanigans.

and thus you fall into my "trap" because outside of tanking low AP weapons, he's a terrible unit. He's a T3 W4 unit with a 5+, in a 3 model unit (and no IC), with the other models being T3 5+ and MELEE focused. And he only discards wounds as if they're cover saves, which, iirc means it doesn't work in CQC. Leadership bubble? Ok, but as soon as he dies that's an EXTRA VP for the enemy. Plus he can't be in a transport and give out the buffs. That means the squad is 8 T3 wounds (across 3 models, so like, 2 assault cannons firing at them = dead unit pretty much), with a 5+ save, or on aun'va ONLY, anywhere from an auto pass vs AP1 to a 5+, only outside of CQC. And did you REALLY call hiding him out of LoS "Shenanigans"? Are tactics "shenanigans" now? Is attempting to use one of the worst units in the game in a smart way "shenanigans"?

You have such a narrow mindset for this game it's crazy.

Enjoying games when the codex's are so far apart is nearly impossible for the player with the weaker codex.

take a game I had earlier this week for example. My opponent, a Marine player, easily won. Hell he humiliated me. His Vindicators where kept invisible by his Enduranced up Libby conclave who hid behind them the entire time (because despite being invisible you still cannot see through them) whilst my Macro Cannons line of fire was blocked by a veritable feth ton of ruins that he kept on shifting worldscape'ing in front of it. There was nothing that I, as a guard player, could do to counter this level of cheese, and my few DS units dropped in and failed to do anything beyond capping a couple of objectives before being wiped out.

The game was humiliating and no where near fun for me.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Enjoying games when the codex's are so far apart is nearly impossible for the player with the weaker codex.

take a game I had earlier this week for example. My opponent, a Marine player, easily won. Hell he humiliated me. His Vindicators where kept invisible by his Enduranced up Libby conclave who hid behind them the entire time (because despite being invisible you still cannot see through them) whilst my Macro Cannons line of fire was blocked by a veritable feth ton of ruins that he kept on shifting worldscape'ing in front of it. There was nothing that I, as a guard player, could do to counter this level of cheese, and my few DS units dropped in and failed to do anything beyond capping a couple of objectives before being wiped out.

The game was humiliating and no where near fun for me.

Meanwhile, several marine players just thought to themselves "selfish IG with their Ap3 battlecannon spam. We NEED our cheese!"

 Selym wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Enjoying games when the codex's are so far apart is nearly impossible for the player with the weaker codex.

take a game I had earlier this week for example. My opponent, a Marine player, easily won. Hell he humiliated me. His Vindicators where kept invisible by his Enduranced up Libby conclave who hid behind them the entire time (because despite being invisible you still cannot see through them) whilst my Macro Cannons line of fire was blocked by a veritable feth ton of ruins that he kept on shifting worldscape'ing in front of it. There was nothing that I, as a guard player, could do to counter this level of cheese, and my few DS units dropped in and failed to do anything beyond capping a couple of objectives before being wiped out.

The game was humiliating and no where near fun for me.

Meanwhile, several marine players just thought to themselves "selfish IG with their Ap3 battlecannon spam. We NEED our cheese!"

Maybe just one.

"Saying: "BUT THAT'S AN OPTION THAT THEY'VE ALLOWED ME" isn't really much of a defense"

It's the best defense. Legal is legal.

Since we seem to have abandoned all pretence at discussion in favour of making snide remarks, I think we're about done here.