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Eldenfirefly wrote:
Errr, do we know enuf about the new character to know that he is meant to babysit artillery tanks?

They said on the stream that he buffs vehicles, and lore-wise Lords of Virulence are masters of bombardment. Beyond that we don't know, he could buff their Ld or something

Do any of you have good suggestions on successfully using either of our Terminator options in 9th? I'd love to learn which loadouts, how many models, which strategems, and how you use the unit(s). I can't seem to wrap my head around using them other than Morty with bodyguards.

Filthy_Sanchez wrote:
Do any of you have good suggestions on successfully using either of our Terminator options in 9th? I'd love to learn which loadouts, how many models, which strategems, and how you use the unit(s). I can't seem to wrap my head around using them other than Morty with bodyguards.

Large unit of Blightlord Terminators, all equipped with combi-plasma and bubotic axes. Add flails of corruption to taste. Use Cloud of Flies to move up safely and blast anything/everything off the board with impunity.

Well, I had some surprise successes with driving a 5++/DR landraider full of deathshrouds into my enemies armies. Unless the LR gets downed before it moves they have the potential to butcher their way through the entire midfield unless your opponent pours some serious firepower into them - way more than their cost.
IF the LR is downed before it moves, you can still sit them onto objectives and your opponent pretty much skips their first shooting phase.
Probably not tournament material, but definitely good enough for semi-comeptitive environments.

Anyone tried souping up the firepower of Blightlord Combi-bolters? I’m reluctant to go full plasma with them, what with them likely to be gaining a wound and thus becoming more painful to lose to overheats. With Tallyman CP refunds, I’m inclined to suppose stratagems are a safer bet for fuelling their firepower? Or is it unviable to fund that as well as cloud of flies?

I personally like combi melta terms myself. I havent been trying to get into melta range really, instead happy with 8 str 8 ap-4 d6 dmg (i run a squad of 10 with 2 flails). Them with a lord of Contagion deep striking in t2 will present such an incredible fire base that you will pretty much own the area they are in all game. Only works if you spend t1 making a big enough hole for them to go wherever they want t2 though.

Mortarion and a squad of 5 deathshroud terms also works incredibly well. Hide the 5 terms behind los blocking terrain but within protecting range of morty, put a bell guy and a normal csm sorcerer near them. Sorcerer and bell keep terms in range of morty and give morty enough time to spell up. Then when they finally separate the terms are still Really effective with the sorcerer and bell guy buffing them. I have used this combo again to good effective, especially thanks to the way their bodyguard rule is currently worded.


All of this advice is probably only good until November though, when the new codex drops who knows what combos will or will not work.

Blightlords in Deepstrike are a bit of a liability for me because finding space for so many models is risky but you want a large squad to make use of the new strats and VoTLW. I've played 2 games where my opponents have screened them back so far I was forced to drop them behind where they would have been if I had started them on the board. So what I have done is started running them in slightly smaller squad than max. I find that 7 or 8 is a good number, below 7 you don't have enough shooting to clear chaff. I've taken to running 7 for nurgles number.

This way I can look at my opponents army before deployment and decide if they're fast mobile or massed bodies they can screen the BL out so I will deploy them, If they are a smaller elite army I can deepstrike them.

I prefer all bolters then I can use the strat to increase rapid fire so 6 will do 36shots which is decent.

Lately I have been loving the blightspawn sitting with them. I use cloud but leave plenty of space around the Blightlords and blightspawn to tempt someone to charge. the blightspawn means they go last in combat. Such a fun gotcha which surprises me how many people fall for because I always say at the beginning of the battle, This is a foul blightspawn and if you charge near him you will fight last. People in the heat of battle forget and I'm fine with that.

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I keep debating the utility and effectiveness of 5-10 Blightlords with combi-plasma or combi-melta accompanied by a jump-pack Lord with the Wormspitter. I need to keep playing around with the math, though I suspect this will be better in a threat saturation list once the new codex drops and our Termies get 3 wounds each.

If your doing wormsplitter and a lord my suggestion changes to all combi bolters because arch contaminator + vets + strat to make you rapid fire 6 makes your bolters plauge weapons and you can reroll all wounds. Again this assumes arch contaminator sticks around next codex.

Personally at this point pick what you like thematically is my best suggestion. I like melta, I know even if it becomes bad again later down the road I have those melta guys who will still be good even if I separate the squad into 2 5 man squads and use them as tank hunters. With out knowing the codex i would hate to suggest something that becomes crap in 2 months that you picked because we suggested it was good right now.

So it comes down to....

Combi bolters - good, basic, cheapest option, hard to go wrong.
Combi plasma - best gun of 8th, still valuable in 9th va 2w models but as always 1's go boom.
Combi melta - great anti tank or elite killing power, short range, with melta change may be best answer for gravis?

Just a quick one, you can't make combibolters on BLT plague weapons - the strats only good for PM.

 lare2 wrote:
Just a quick one, you can't make combibolters on BLT plague weapons - the strats only good for PM.

I know. Wormspitter makes them plauge weapons. The relic pistol hits first, then anything that targets that enemy unit gains the plauge weapon ability for that turn. Point is its kinda a broken and stupid combo that I don't see surviving the new codex but atm it works.

Awesome - thanks for clearing. Forgot about that relic as never bother with it.

 Nithaniel wrote:
Blightlords in Deepstrike are a bit of a liability for me because finding space for so many models is risky but you want a large squad to make use of the new strats and VoTLW. I've played 2 games where my opponents have screened them back so far I was forced to drop them behind where they would have been if I had started them on the board. So what I have done is started running them in slightly smaller squad than max. I find that 7 or 8 is a good number, below 7 you don't have enough shooting to clear chaff. I've taken to running 7 for nurgles number.

This way I can look at my opponents army before deployment and decide if they're fast mobile or massed bodies they can screen the BL out so I will deploy them, If they are a smaller elite army I can deepstrike them.

I prefer all bolters then I can use the strat to increase rapid fire so 6 will do 36shots which is decent.

Lately I have been loving the blightspawn sitting with them. I use cloud but leave plenty of space around the Blightlords and blightspawn to tempt someone to charge. the blightspawn means they go last in combat. Such a fun gotcha which surprises me how many people fall for because I always say at the beginning of the battle, This is a foul blightspawn and if you charge near him you will fight last. People in the heat of battle forget and I'm fine with that.

blightlords are strong but dont play the mission, they deny a portion of table but cant really control objectives, if you cant remove all enemy obj sec. models you score 0, when you play for a few you see how much that impact.

 blackmage wrote:

 Nithaniel wrote:
Blightlords in Deepstrike are a bit of a liability for me because finding space for so many models is risky but you want a large squad to make use of the new strats and VoTLW. I've played 2 games where my opponents have screened them back so far I was forced to drop them behind where they would have been if I had started them on the board. So what I have done is started running them in slightly smaller squad than max. I find that 7 or 8 is a good number, below 7 you don't have enough shooting to clear chaff. I've taken to running 7 for nurgles number.

This way I can look at my opponents army before deployment and decide if they're fast mobile or massed bodies they can screen the BL out so I will deploy them, If they are a smaller elite army I can deepstrike them.

I prefer all bolters then I can use the strat to increase rapid fire so 6 will do 36shots which is decent.

Lately I have been loving the blightspawn sitting with them. I use cloud but leave plenty of space around the Blightlords and blightspawn to tempt someone to charge. the blightspawn means they go last in combat. Such a fun gotcha which surprises me how many people fall for because I always say at the beginning of the battle, This is a foul blightspawn and if you charge near him you will fight last. People in the heat of battle forget and I'm fine with that.

blightlords are strong but dont play the mission, they deny a portion of table but cant really control objectives, if you cant remove all enemy obj sec. models you score 0, when you play for a few you see how much that impact.

This is true but totally list dependant. I play Poxmongers daemon engine heavy list with summoning epidemius. The BLT's are never MVP's they hold 2 functions for me. Firstly in a six objective game and sometimes a 5, I deploy on the board and move up to an objective and hold forever. With Cloud and a foulblightspawn they hold the line so well. In 4 objective games in deployment I play mindgames with my opoonent and put them into reserves and really emphasise how potentially dangerous they are. My opponents tend to spread to screen them out giving me better targets for my shooting. In my infantry heavy list with plaguemarine poxwalkers and nurglings they are not worth using, better off with more nurglings.

Apparently someone took first place at the San Antonio Shootout with pure DG:

Spearhead (-3 CP) Poxmongers

Lord of Contagion, Plaguereaper
Lord of Contagion, Manreaper

Hellforged Landraider Achilles, Contaminated Monstrocity
PBC, entropy cannons, Accelerated Entropy
PBC, entropy cannons
PBC, entropy cannons

Patrol (0 CP) Poxmongers

Chaos Lord, Bolt Pistol+Chainsword, Arch-Contaminator, Ironclot Furnace
Typhus, Harbinger of Nurgle, Miasma of Pestilence, Blades of Putrefaction

10 cultists

3x MBH
3x MBH

guess he use LR to carry thypus+2 LOC in melee. Strong vs marine lists, not sure against something else, like demons/orks and so on.
Anyway to understand that list 1st place would be interesting look at top4 lists and know which ones he met, for me is heavily tailored against a specific meta, like marine and custodes. If you met something like arlquins for example, or some demon lists like we see around i dont know what you could do.

 Jidmah wrote:
Apparently someone took first place at the San Antonio Shootout with pure DG:

Spearhead (-3 CP) Poxmongers

Lord of Contagion, Plaguereaper
Lord of Contagion, Manreaper

Hellforged Landraider Achilles, Contaminated Monstrocity
PBC, entropy cannons, Accelerated Entropy
PBC, entropy cannons
PBC, entropy cannons

Patrol (0 CP) Poxmongers

Chaos Lord, Bolt Pistol+Chainsword, Arch-Contaminator, Ironclot Furnace
Typhus, Harbinger of Nurgle, Miasma of Pestilence, Blades of Putrefaction

10 cultists

3x MBH
3x MBH

Thats such a skewed list. This all boiled down to his matchups. If he ran into any kind of horde list, he would have lost badly. He only had 1 squad of infantry... @@ His horde clearing power doesn't look good. Most of his weapons are all catered towards elite infantry or vehicle clearing.

Well, he does have 6 frag missiles and 3 plague mortars and worst case you can always just charge them with a unit of MBH.

Someone who knows what happens to the Psychic Awakening strats and other stuff for the faction that get a new codex? Will PA still be valid or integrated or just not valid anymore?

Considering how all the Marine goodies have been moved to the codex, it seems like PA will be obsolete after the codex.

Very good chance it's not only integrated but also updated to move some of the upgrade costs to points instead of CP if the Marine book is anything to go by.

What's the general consensus on anti-vehicle in 9th? I'm considering Helbrutes with twin lascannons, melee defilers, MBHs, and plasma or more likely melta Blightlords. The Blightlords seems somewhat like a suicide unit, but they should get the job done. Helbrutes seem reliable but fragile. I like melee defilers, but they seem slow, and hard to get where they need to be. MBHs seem like good all-rounders, but the 4+ BS is turning me off. I'm strongly debating infiltrating the defilers, or just going with a couple units of 5-man Blightlords with combi-meltas.

PBC with accelerated entropy are pretty awesome at killing tanks, if you bring 3 the 4+ is very unlikely to come and bite you. The next best thing in my experience is a daemon prince with the new relic sword, he flips tanks easily.

Updates for our weapons are up. MBHs are pretty rock now.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/05/codex-updates-wargear-profiles-and-rules/
all links there

Outside of the multi-melta change the next most relevant change is probably plasma not being more likely to explode against -1 to hit.

Twin Heavy Bolter is showing as Strength 6? That's...unique.

Vortenger wrote:
Twin Heavy Bolter is showing as Strength 6? That's...unique.

a mistake obviously

Certainly. Worth mentioning so to be corrected though

 Jidmah wrote:
Considering how all the Marine goodies have been moved to the codex, it seems like PA will be obsolete after the codex.

I am not sure but this does not seem to be the case. I could not find anything about it and there is a new Erreta for the SM PA and nothing inside it hinted that it is obsolete.
The reason that I am keen to know this is that I made a DG list focused around Spawns and it is vital ot have access to the CONTAMINATED MONSTROSITY start and also the THE DAEMON’S TOLL relic.