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Rumors say the starter box will the Space Marines (HURR!) and Orkses. 10 marines, 5 termis and commander. Orkses Boyz, 3 Deth Coptors and a warboss.

Yay for Orkses, yawn for the Space Marines (HURR!)

What would you put in there?

Me... the orkses are fine. But I'd throw in 20-30 IG. Use jes Goodwin's trenchcoat design, one peice bodies to save money, seperate heads. And an IG jeep too.

IG vs Orkses is just a more fun game since y'know, they can actually hurt each other.

Just add a sentinel and I agree with you and some fancy CoD terrain.

I would put in Eldar (10 guardians w/ platform + Warlock and Wave Serpent and 5 Fire Dragons) vs. more Eldar (9 Jetbikes w/ 3 Shuri-cannons + Jetbike Warlock and a Fire Prism).

I need more stuff for Apoc. 6000 pts. + titans isn't enough.


Ghidorah

The answer is so obvious, it's sickening. It would make an interesting box set, provide a huge boost to the army, and finally add some new models to the range:

Orks vs. Sisters of Battle!

You could include ~30 orks, 10 battle sisters, 5 seraphim and a cannoness. Throw in an inquisitor as an objective and some rubble terrain, and you've got a fun box.

If you could get a sisters squad plus seraphim for under $30, does anybody think we wouldn't see a run on Witchhunter armies?

Well, SM (hurr!) are a given. There's no getting away from that. But SM vs Chaos is much more iconically GW to my eyes.

Personally Space Orks are and always have been a stupid concept. Just banal fantasy rip-off and completely and moronically, unoriginal. I know lots of people like them, but I personally think they're crap.

If it was personal preference from someone completely outside the loop (which regarding 40k I pretty much am these days) I'd like to see SM vs Tau or maybe Eldar (which I know are Elves in Space, but the Eldar imagery is much further removed from Fantasy than Orks are, and works much better). Aesthetically its just a much more appealing deal.

Just my 2p.

IF, 5th edition fixes 4th's rules problems without introducing a shedload more, and IF the models in the new box are 1/2 decent, I could be persuaded to buy the new box, but if I do, I'll be selling off the dumb-looking Space Orks!

No one's up for Kroot Mercs vs genestealer cultists?

Genestealer Cultists, yes, Kroot, no.

I think they need to keep the "human element" but it's time to veer away from the SM's! Whether it be Guard or Inquisition, at least it's different. Then throw in the Tau to get all the anime kids interested. I could probably talk myself into painting up some Tau... at least before selling them off,

If it's for-tee-kay, it's going to be SM vs. whoever. Orks being back is a good sign (though BFM wasn't bad either). That's simply the nature of the game. And let's face it: lots of people get into this game because of Space Marines (HURR!). It's a starter set for newbies; that old-timers will buy a quadrillion googleplex of these things to 'round off some old projects' (like they did with BFSP & BFM) is just the cherry on top.

Now, if you want to ask the question of what a starter box should look like from the ground up, that's a different can o' monkeys.

Let's start with:
1. skirmish rules! Real rules for playing 10-15 figures or less per side, with character/team development, a starter campaign, some scenarios, and all the other stuff you want in a skirmish rules set (BFM came the closest to this but missed the mark by THAT much). Oh, and stats and points to keep playing said skirmish rules.
2. Miniatures! Enough figs to have 10-15 figs per side. Race is irrelevant (you can have kroot vs. necrons for all I care), though Guard vs. orks probably makes the most sense.
2a. (and probably the most controversial): prepainted plastics a la AT-43. Let's face it: with few exceptions, people who start out in the game take 20 years to paint their first figs, at which point they've already amassed a small closet full of junk that are also primer-black/white or unpainted/barely painted. Why not have your first figs be prepainted, and then you can repaint them as you build the armies up (and you paint your new figs), or just stick with what you've got? Again, we're talking about a starter set, not a way to get 10000 points of grots for your Apocalypse game, nor are we talking about having the whole line go prepainted, but if you want fresh blood, prepainted is the way to go.
3. pocket rulebook. Wanna play with the big boys? Here's how! Include some rules on how to scale up from the smaller skirmish game to platoon level and eventually to 2000 points.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Eldar vs Guard would get my vote.

Orks vs. Guard

Guard force

20 guardsman
5 LT squad
5 Command squad
Chimera
5 heavy weapon teams
4 special weapons

Ork force can be the same as in the new 5th edition box.

A rulebook, some terrain, some dice, and a voucher for 2 different Battle Force boxes of your choice.

syr8766 wrote: Let's face it: with few exceptions, people who start out in the game take 20 years to paint their first figs, at which point they've already amassed a small closet full of junk that are also primer-black/white or unpainted/barely painted.

Puh-lease! Try walk-in closet full

I think Guard with SM Allies vs. Orks or Sisters vs. LatD would be my top picks. The first because it is doable, the second because it would be a tiny dream.

Guard:
HQ unit with Sentinel, Heavy weapons bit.
20 guardsmen with... stuff. I dunno, AC, LC, PG and GL?
5 man Marine squad with flamer, or plasma? and power fist.
Hell Hound.

Orks
Lots of orks.

I think it would be good to mix the two Imperial types to sort of give players a taste of both, and IG are just cool.

Sisters... I just want plastic Sisters SO hard. Plus LatD is kick butt. Make a plastic Exorcist or Penitent Engine kit, and I would be in heaven.

Platuan4th wrote:A rulebook, some terrain, some dice, and a voucher for 2 different Battle Force boxes of your choice.

Now thats a bloody good idea

DarthDiggler wrote:Orks vs. Guard

Guard force

20 guardsman
5 LT squad
5 Command squad
Chimera
5 heavy weapon teams
4 special weapons

Ork force can be the same as in the new 5th edition box.

Change out the Chimera for a pair of Sentinels and that would be a great starter.

I'd like to see Guard vs Nids for 6th Edition. Both of these are hordes and could really use the price break from being in the boxed set.

monopose trenchcoat Guard
5 IG command
2x 10 IG squad
1 Sentinel

Nids
3 Warriors
30 Gaunts
1 Zoanthrope

8-pot paint set (black, brown, red, yellow, green, blue, white boltgun) with a brush

mini rulebook
Skirmish scenario book

$10 coupon for hardback rulebook
$10 coupon for battalion box
$10 coupon for $100 purchase

20 red plastic marines VS 20 black plastic marines... this will get the noobs ready for their first tournament.

Daemons vs Space Marines, who apparently have to be involved, for 6th Edition!

10 Space Marines + Inquisition allies vs LatD. pure win.

includes say 16 guardsmen (enough for almost two squads, the other four were really evil looking guys) that can be painted to be really mean looking Cadians. And two sentinels.

Tacobake wrote:10 Space Marines + Inquisition allies vs LatD. pure win.

Little Timmy's mom isn't buying anything with "Damned" on it.

What, nobody wants squats?

LatD vs. Kroot Mercs.

ORK STOMPA and a WARHOUND TITAN !!!

But I could deal with Marines verses LatD.

That's right I said it. MARINES !!!! They are the poster children of 40K you can't get away from them.

Red Dice vs. Blue Dice

Many, many boxsets! Everyone fights their antithesis!

Space Marines vs Chaos Space Marines

Imperial Guard vs Orks

Eldar vs Dark Eldar

Daemonhunters vs Daemons

Tau vs Necrons

Witch-Hunters vs Tyranids

MinMax wrote:Many, many boxsets! Everyone fights their antithesis!

Dark Angels vs. Bright Angels
Blood Angels vs. Bone Angels
Ultramarines vs. Artlumarines
Daemonhunters vs. Daemonhuntees
Witchhunters vs. Thathunters
Space Elfs vs. Space Dorfs
Space Zombies vs. Space Chainsaws

Did I miss any?

In all seriousness, I think the box is cool for what it is. How many
people actually finished a Tyranid army based off that set?

I would have thought it would be SM vs the first codex release for 5th ed.

They did it with 3rd and 4th ed so why not 5th?

Rbb wrote:

Tacobake wrote:10 Space Marines + Inquisition allies vs LatD. pure win.

Little Timmy's mom isn't buying anything with "Damned" on it.

What, nobody wants squats?

Thankfully they aren't 'darned' anymore. They are just cranky renegades, these days.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I would have thought it would be SM vs the first codex release for 5th ed.

They did it with 3rd and 4th ed so why not 5th?

thinking of which, they could have put Necrons in there. Good chance to make plastic Immortals. Of course they would also have to include the green rod things.

malfred wrote:
Dark Angels vs. Bright Angels
Blood Angels vs. Bone Angels
Ultramarines vs. Artlumarines
Daemonhunters vs. Daemonhuntees
Witchhunters vs. Thathunters
Space Elfs vs. Space Dorfs
Space Zombies vs. Space Chainsaws

Did I miss any?

Space Ninjas vs. Space Pirates

On Topic:

Orks vs. Orks. It's fluffy and gets a lot of people starting what should be 40k's most fielded race.

Or we go with Apocalypse only armies. Lost and the Damned vs. 13th Company. This means the kiddies will have to buy an extra 2500 points before they can even use these models!

Platuan4th wrote:A rulebook, some terrain, some dice, and a voucher for 2 different Battle Force boxes of your choice.

I'll do you one better, put the pocket rulebook in every army box.

But that would be y'know, logical and stuff.