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2011/05/09 22:05:15
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Ozymandias wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Then they're retconning the original "the entire Legion was affected by the change".
Was the sergeant Terran? That may be where they're going with it.
Are you serious Kan? There have been NUMEROUS hints that Blood Ravens come from Tk-Sons, the most incredible being the novel, A Thousand Sons that mentions Ravens of Blood.
Frankly, thinking it's any other chapter at this point is missing the huge WINK from BL authors.
Legion.
It would be any LEGION that they would be descended from, first off.
And it would mean that Blood Ravens, somehow inexplicably are created during the beginning or the midst of the Horus Heresy.
By the way: without forcing me to go back and rereading "A Thousand Sons"--the prophecy was something along the lines of "The sons of the Lost cry out for justice, and from the ashes arise a Raven of blood".
That's as vague as it comes. Could it be a wink? Sure.
It could also be a big "Haha we're never gonna tell you". 
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2011/05/09 22:07:01
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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What the crap. Pass me the kool-aid you snort man.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2011/05/09 22:40:04
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I would, but I drank it all.
Really: I don't like the idea of Blood Ravens being a Thousand Sons 'Successor'.
It's too...obvious.
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2011/05/09 22:47:11
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
A garden grove on Citadel Station
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Kanluwen wrote:I would, but I drank it all.
Really: I don't like the idea of Blood Ravens being a Thousand Sons 'Successor'.
It's too...obvious.
Too obvious? Maybe. It'd be pretty dumb if they WEREN'T by this point. It'd take more fluff dickery to make them seem like not TS successors.
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The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
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2011/05/09 22:52:35
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Fixture of Dakka
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ph34r wrote:Kanluwen wrote:I would, but I drank it all.
Really: I don't like the idea of Blood Ravens being a Thousand Sons 'Successor'.
It's too...obvious.
Too obvious? Maybe. It'd be pretty dumb if they WEREN'T by this point. It'd take more fluff dickery to make them seem like not TS successors.
The HH series raises as many questions as it answers. The question of how the Blood Ravens got the TS Geneseed and avoided the fleshchange as well as wide-spread occurring psychic ability, rather than simply recruited psychic ability would also need to be answered. As would the need for the use of the TS geneseed and why they didn't turn up before the 1st founding amongst other things.
At the very least, I'd say that this discussion is taken elsewhere, as Alph suggested not long ago...
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- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/09 23:12:27
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Battleship Captain
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Kanluwen wrote:It's too...obvious.
Kan, just remember you're talking about a universe with the primarch of the World Eaters being named "Angron" and the primarch of the Iron Hands being named "Ferrus Mannus".
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2011/05/10 04:54:20
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
A garden grove on Citadel Station
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Death By Monkeys wrote:Kanluwen wrote:It's too...obvious.
Kan, just remember you're talking about a universe with the primarch of the World Eaters being named "Angron" and the primarch of the Iron Hands being named "Ferrus Mannus".
And the Raven Guard Primarch is "Corax" 
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2011/05/10 12:30:00
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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That particular list can encompass just about every Primarch in relation to their Legion!
Much of what we know and love today was set up back when things weren't quite as serious as they are now...
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2011/05/10 12:59:52
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not sure if off-topic or not. I'm realatively new to the HH series, but I've read many of the books. I've always like the idea of the mechanicum and admech and the technocracy of Mars. I REALLY wanted to like Mechanicum.
But Mechanicum was just so dull. It's the worst book of the series. In 3 weeks, I couldn't get past page 200. So, I put it down last night and blasted through the first half of Legion in one sitting. Great book. It could use more Astartes, though.
I'm really enjoying the HH series overall when I honestly expected books about a game to be silly at best.
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2011/05/10 13:05:47
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Fixture of Dakka
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Really? I personally loved Mechanicum; reveals much unknown stuff, great titan battles and the actions of the Knights, you can see the Mechanicus on a cliff edge, C'tan, actual depth and thinking, it's got everything! I admit, some parts were quite dull such as the Akashic (sp?) reader, but otherwise I thought it was really good. Read it at least twice over now...
I admit, I can't describe why I think Mechanicum's good, I'm not a book critic, but I thought it's up there with the best of the series IMHO.
Legion is of course freakin' amazing too though.
As for the worst book in the series, have you read Battle for the Abyss?! 
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/10 13:17:32
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
Bobbing along on the briny North Sea, and Montrose, Scotland when home
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Battle for the abyss was meh, there hasnt really been a "bad" book in my opinion, there were some parts from tales of heresy i wasnt too sure of.
My faves still remain the first 3 books.... dont know why, i just like going back and re reading them.
Btw, the short story from Age of Darkness (I forget the name) Involving the world eaters and the raven guard.
Brilliant twist at the end.
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2011/05/10 16:36:59
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Fixture of Dakka
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Just got age of Darkness in the post today; gonna be awesome. Not for my revision though, that's gone out of the window with this turning up!
For me, Battle of the Abyss was a bad book, I don't think any of the others are 'bad' however, some a bit 'meh' as you said though. The vast majority of the series has been excellent IMHO so far.
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/10 16:38:31
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Start with the last story! START WITH THE LAST!
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2011/05/10 16:41:13
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Fixture of Dakka
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Really? I have read about half of the 1st so far, but have just stopped to do actual work (read: browse Dakka and FB  ). But should I really read the last story first?
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/10 16:55:21
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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Just Dave wrote:Really? I have read about half of the 1st so far, but have just stopped to do actual work (read: browse Dakka and FB ). But should I really read the last story first?
Don'T. Its possibly the best story.
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2011/05/10 17:24:49
Subject: Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Just Dave wrote:Really? I have read about half of the 1st so far, but have just stopped to do actual work (read: browse Dakka and FB ). But should I really read the last story first?
Yes.
"Savage Weapons" by far is the star of the show.
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2011/05/10 17:32:57
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Fixture of Dakka
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Cool. ADB does it again it seems. Well, in that case it can wait 'til last. 
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/10 18:37:27
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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AAAHHH!
Call in the Tech Priests
In all the excitement of getting Promethean Sun despatched as quickly as possible, it seems our system has managed to get ahead of itself. Our warehouse team printed off all the packing sheets and prepared packaging in boxes last Friday to be ready to send out the thousands of copies of Promethean Sun as soon as they arrived in our warehouse. Unfortunately, when this happened, our website was tricked into thinking your order had been despatched!
Over a thousand copies were sent out over the last 72 hours and the rest of the stock is arriving in batches this week as they are being hand finished by our printers. We expect all of them to be sent out by the end of the week, keep an eye on your order details for the tracking reference which will automatically update once your parcel has been registered with UPS.
.. BL have really messed people around with this release.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/05/10 19:03:07
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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That $36 for shipping and handling to the US sure was money well spent...
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2011/05/10 19:06:22
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Alpharius wrote:That $36 for shipping and handling to the US sure was money well spent...
Hey. You still get your money's worth, they just didn't ship anything yet
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2011/05/10 19:09:31
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Fixture of Dakka
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Hey Alph, want to join me in looking for an orkmoticon that does a smug face?
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/10 19:23:04
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Just Dave wrote:Hey Alph, want to join me in looking for an orkmoticon that does a smug face?
I'm picturing a nodding Ork head over a pair of crossed arms.
What do you think?
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2011/05/10 19:25:33
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I'm thinking I could use that and get in trouble, a lot. No smug ork!
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2011/05/10 19:30:21
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Fixture of Dakka
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/05/10 21:48:11
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Grumble grumble I say.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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2011/05/12 13:21:18
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Mine just popped in, no. 570, it's looking shiny.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2011/05/12 18:04:18
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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#51 for me.
Nice and shiny it is too. 
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/05/12 18:34:16
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Aye, I'm liking it, except my bookmark is black at the end and already coming apart. Unless that's a feature of the book. Other than that, can't wait to dig in.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2011/05/12 20:26:10
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/05/12 20:37:04
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May they rot.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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