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I'm actually really curious about the twist. It would have to be some small but incredibly significant detail that's never been mentioned before, maybe something that will change our perspective of what really was going on with the heresy. Maybe some hitherto unknown secret about the Emperor?

Can this crappy series just die already? It's not like it's already ruined the excitement and mystery of the whole Heresy...

Vladsimpaler wrote:Can this crappy series just die already? It's not like it's already ruined the excitement and mystery of the whole Heresy...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Besides, the Horus Heresy happened during the Great Crusade, so it's not as if the Ultramarines ran out of non-Imperial worlds to take, not to mention ones that had been taken that were falling to Chaos during this period.

They mightn't've been fighting on Terra, but to say they did 'nothing' shows ignorance of the time and the geography. Would those who believe this way claim Guilliman sat around with his 100,000 Marines doing nothing? And that the entire Ultima Segmentum/Eastern Fringe sat quiet during this period?

C'mon guys, that's like saying that because the Russians weren't involved in storming the beaches at Normandy, they did 'nothing' during WWII.

True but you aren't going to have much on the Russians in a movie about D-Day are you? (So tempted to say that most hollywood movies don't even mention the British, Canadians, etc... but I won't!)

The story arc is about the Horus Heresy, even if the Ultramarines were fighting off the entire Eastern fringe it has nothing to do with the heresy.

I know what the twist is, but I'd rather not ruin it for everyone. I heard it in an author interview a bit back. It is a pretty significant twist for basically all of the background fluff.

Remember that the Ultras chased the Alpha Legion and killed their Primarch.

Hmm, maybe that's the big effing twist right there.

I can't say I'm excited. Except for Horus Rising, the quality of writing in the series has been so inconsistent I can't bear to read any more. I thought they were really going somewhere interesting with that first book, and then it was all just bleh.
I heard a lot of people rating Flight of the Eisenstein highly for example, so I was really excited to pick it up and read it, and it was bloody terrible. The baddies were like Panto villains with bugger all motivation. Seriously. That one dude that turns into a daemon prince or whatever was only lacking a twiddly fecking moustache.

@ Da Boss

I like that comment. However, isn't that so true of most of the "bad" guys in WH40K, they do it cause they can, they want to, or.....a god tells them to do it.....

About the twist though....I think we might have already seen hints of it in pervious texts like in Tales of Heresy, The Last Church, and in Mechanicum.....where by the Emperor isn't quite all light and fluffy as we like to think!

I think the twist will definately be about the Emperor, and maybe his "hidden works"....now that would be interesting, maybe!

I think it's perfectly reasonable to have three books dedicated to the Ultramarines. They haven't had much coverage in the HH compared to, say, Dark Angels. They sure as hell weren't sitting around doing nothing on the other side of the galaxy.

I don't think Roboute Guilliman killed Alpharius until after the Heresy though.

ShumaGorath wrote:I know what the twist is, but I'd rather not ruin it for everyone. I heard it in an author interview a bit back. It is a pretty significant twist for basically all of the background fluff.

The one that was mentioned was apparently only a couple of weeks old if I got the gist of it correctly. Does that match up?

In addition, Graham McNeil was unsurprisingly demanding to write the Calth battle / book.

Maybe the twist will be the emperor not beeing the emperor. And that they killed the real emperor already. Horus found this out and did not want a fake one leading humanity. The fake emperor did not want this and declared horus and friends heretics. The story unfolds the same only the the most important guy is not who we think he is.

And as soon as he takes a seat on his golden throne he gets his steady diet of a 1000 psykers a day.

I could go into more detail but i am lazy and dont want to

Grtz
L.D.

Hopefully a more in depth recollection of the webway portal beneath the Palace and the battle that raged there because some one-eyed donkey-cave had to use powerful magic to talk to his daddy and accidentally breach the seals put there.

Horus turns on the emperor, because he's under the control of adeptus mechanicus. who as we know worship the machine spirit/c'tan. And those thousand pskers are to feed the c'tan and wake him.

HA! Good one Brook! Almost shot energy drink out my nose.

BrookM wrote:Remember that the Ultras chased the Alpha Legion and killed their Primarch.

Hmm, maybe that's the big effing twist right there.

If you know that much (from the AL Index Astartes) then you know that there's a very, very real possibility that that in fact did not happen...

Anyway, Shuma - Spoiler Text the twist, and let it fly!

hahaha! Alpharius you impatient bugger!

BrookM wrote:Hopefully a more in depth recollection of the webway portal beneath the Palace and the battle that raged there because some one-eyed donkey-cave had to use powerful magic to talk to his daddy and accidentally breach the seals put there.

Take that back!

But seriously, afaik the only source of the Webway project is the awful Collected Visions books.
I personally wouldn't mind if they squated that fiction and came up with a better reason for the Emperor retreating to Terra.

The twist will be someone slits Erebus' throat and the little punk actually dies... or not.

A book or two on the webway battle would be pretty awesome I think. I find the Imperial Webway plot thing kind of interesting.

One thing that frustrated me a bit though was Alpha legion in Legion. They were barely in it. The rest was that Grammatiblahblah idiot and the IG dudes. While cool, I read the book for Alpha Legion. So... I hope if there is a book or 3 on Alpha legion vs Ultrasmurfs they have some more Alpha legion stuff in it than what Abnett put into Legion.
I know, I know... I'm asking a lot.

The old fan-theory was that it was the Emp who died and horus is sitting on the throne.

I think an Ultramarines arc, where the first is pre-heresy, the second building up/Calth, and the third post Calth, would be awesome.

However, I would like the following legions looked at as well - Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Imp Fists, White Scars, SW Greybeards (following on from Tales of Heresy), Blood Angels.

Erebus cant die as he makes a cameo in a dread in the 40k novel dark apostle.. Sorry Sinister Brain Baby.


I really like the first one horus rising.. I think it went down hill from there, but I still dabble in these books sometimes.

The other story I really like was the short one about dorn and konrad, which was cool.

Ultras get three wow, Cant wait to read that propaganda.

I really wish they would write a World Eater Book. Just one.. not 3. And introduce someone else other then just kharn and angron.

Also does anyone else get the vibe they had a plan at the beginning but now just write whatever takes their fancy.. I kinda wish they would just get on with it and cover the important bits; The fall of each of the traitors, major battles (like calth)

And post the damn spoiler..

The writers have several meetings each year at the BL office to discuss their plans for the HH novels under the scrutiny of Lindsey and Alan.

C'mon. What's the twist.

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:True but you aren't going to have much on the Russians in a movie about D-Day are you? (So tempted to say that most hollywood movies don't even mention the British, Canadians, etc... but I won't!)

The story arc is about the Horus Heresy, even if the Ultramarines were fighting off the entire Eastern fringe it has nothing to do with the heresy.

They were fighting in the Heresy, therefore that has everything to do with the Heresy. You seem to think that in order to be involved in the Heresy, you had to be fighting on Terra. That's absurd.

You got me wrong.

I think that to be involved in the Heresy you had to be fighting against brother Legions. And but for a small foray at Calth the Ultramarines weren't that involved in the Heresy (by design as Horus had them shipped out to the Eastern Fringe to be out of the way) and almost certainly not enough to get a 3 book arc.

But then I guess GW will try to milk the HH series for as much as they can since it is quite a successful series.

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:I think that to be involved in the Heresy you had to be fighting against brother Legions.

So the Adeptus Mechanicus civil war doesn't count?

Now you are just nitpicking, we were talking about the Ultramarines.

Their only involvement, afaik, was at Calth. How they get 3 books out of that, I don't know, unless Battle for the Abyss was the first in the series.

ShumaGorath wrote:I know what the twist is, but I'd rather not ruin it for everyone. I heard it in an author interview a bit back. It is a pretty significant twist for basically all of the background fluff.

..is it that...



I gather Mr. Dembski Bowden -- whose Cadian Blood is alright and his Night Lords/Soul Hunter should be great !-- is writing a HH book called "First Heretic".

Shaman wrote:Erebus cant die as he makes a cameo in a dread in the 40k novel dark apostle.. Sorry Sinister Brain Baby.

Oh yeah.

I really wish they would write a World Eater Book. Just one.. not 3. And introduce someone else other then just kharn and angron.

That gets my vote too. I'd love to see a World eaters book. That was the one character I liked from Battle for the Snoozefest. Scrotum or Skraap or Skraal or whatever his name was. I liked him. He was the only one though.

I had always assumed that anyway.

The two missing legions are already discussed in the short story the Lightning Tower.