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We are looking for someone who can clearly speak English with a Far East asian accent living in the London UK area.

We would prefer if you have knowledge of the following:

* Warhammer 40,000 universe.
* Tau Empire rules and literature.

That BF 40,000 looks like the best version of BF ....EVER!!!

If I have BF 2142, how do I 'Mod' it?

Is there a server where I can play easily?

I have a legal copy of 2142, and would love to use it!!

Check the following web sites:

http://www.sideuk.com/
(Good voice studio with casting and translation services.)

http://www.foreignvoices.co.uk/services/voice-over.php
(Extensive range of voices with a good online casting selection.)

any plans for Valhallans?) in mod?

thehod wrote:We are looking for someone who can clearly speak English with a Far East asian accent living in the London UK area.

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* Tau Empire rules and literature.

This is making me cringe, it is.

Let nobody say that racism is dead.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Let nobody say that racism is dead.

I guess actually wanting to represent another race with an authentic accent is now racially motivated? Its funny i didnt see anything about you actually having to be asian. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a non-ethnic asian that gets the job. Your the only person that made this a racial issue. Its a "Dialect" and "Accent" issue. Wanting to differentiate one distinct group from another is pretty common especially for theatrical reasons.

I remember fondly the old man speaking in the conan movies. His voice and accent inspiring mystic wisdom and an exotic culture.

But then again I guess asian anime and manga never stereotypes occidental culture. I mean Western man never make appearences in oriental movies as lumber clumsy belligerant idiots.

Your going to have a heard time in life if your such a small person by attacking people for wanting "theme" and "texture" and "ambiance" for their theatrical endeavors.

Let nobody say that odinsspear45's sense of humor isn't dead.

I agree with the half-bodied floating guy.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Let nobody say that racism is dead.

Greetings, I'm looking for some voice actors for a short animation film produced by Disney. The part is for a large crow seen during the film:



We would prefer you have the following attributes:

Speaks jive
Knows jazz

JohnHwangDD wrote:Let nobody say that racism is dead.

Gotta agree here.

odinsspear45 wrote:I guess actually wanting to represent another race with an authentic accent is now racially motivated?

I wouldn't go so far as to say the ad is racist, but it does make me cringe to see an ad for a "a Far East asian accent", as though there was one such thing or that the English accents from that part of the world all sound similar enough that any one will do.

I also think it's cringe-worthy to try and portray the Tau as asians. They're aliens. When GW published a video with spoken Tau in it (I believe for the Medusa campaign), it sounded more like something incomprehensible spoken under water.

Far out dudes, If I wanted a Far-East German accent, would anyone give a toss?

It's a bloody accent ya gimps! He meant nothing by it? Don't read so much into it.

I impersonate people really well.

I can sound like almost anyone you want, and I'm a white male, between 23-40, so everybody listens to me.

I'm going to PM ya mate, I am happy to try and work out a way to send you an Mpeg or something.

If I could help, I would like to try.

/stops burning Bra.....

akira5665 wrote:Far out dudes, If I wanted a Far-East German accent, would anyone give a toss?

As German is a language, probably not. The difference is "asian" is not a language.

odinsspear45 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Let nobody say that racism is dead.

I guess actually wanting to represent another race with an authentic accent is now racially motivated?

Your going to have a heard time in life if your such a small person by attacking people for wanting "theme" and "texture" and "ambiance" for their theatrical endeavors.

Tau aren't "another race" (they'd be another *species*, for the biologically ignorant), and stereotyping them with a "Far East Asian voice" is definitely racist.

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BTW, I saw this advert as well:

We are looking for someone who can clearly speak "Darkie" English with a Negroid accent living in the London UK area.

We would prefer if you have knowledge of the following:

* Warhammer 40,000 universe.
* Ork rules and literature.

Becaust that's *so* much better, right?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Tau aren't "another race" (they'd be another *species*, for the biologically ignorant), and stereotyping them with a "Far East Asian voice" is definitely racist.

It might be culturally insensitive, and it might betray a certain lack of poise, and it might be offensive, but I'm not sure it's maliciously racist. Of course it's silly to think that all inhabitants of a multi planet, alien empire would somehow speak English with a stereotypical "east asian accent." Wouldn't every world speak with it's own accent? Why would they speak English anyway? Wouldn't they speak low gothic, or even their own language?

To call this sort of creative shortcut racist is a broad leap. Racism is usually defined as the theory that races have traits and tendencies, and from that usually a theory of superior races emerges. The ad is calling for people with an east asian accent, which I suppose is racist in that it assumes that East Asian people have accents? Or that East Asian people are more likely to be like the tau? Are you saying the Tau are worse or better than another playable species?

Racism is certainly not dead, and this sort of casual linking between alien species and human races is a cheap shortcut that offends a lot of people and really doens't make any sense. But to call it racist, IMO, is a step too far.

As for the crows in Dumbo, well, that's a complex brew. You have cultural norms of the time (where minstrel shows and blackface were an accepted part of the culture), as well as the fact that the crows are basically the most supportive and postive characters in the movie, compared to the quite simply awful white people. Yes, it doesn't help race relations any that they were black, but I don't think that decision was founded in racism.

There is a broad range of human behavior, grounded in ignorance, thoughtlessness and selfishness that relies on stereotypes and racial categories. It's not positive, but I think absent a footing in hate or disdain or a theory of racial hierarchy it's hard to call it "racist," particularly given the negative connotations of the word. Racially ignorant (which i prefer to the overly soft "insensitive"), of course. But racist? Probobly not.

JohnHwang, I have to ask you then, is stereotyping dwarves with a Scottish accent racist?

I'm also a little fuzzy on how the request is racist in the first place. I know you're sensitive on this topic (indeed, on the entire East vs. West thing), but I had always thought that racism meant discriminating against a group based on ethnic and cultural grounds. Could you explain this a bit more clearly?

(This is an honest request; please don't just blow it off with a "if you can't see why, then you're an ignorant jerk" comment.)

Polonius wrote:
As for the crows in Dumbo, well, that's a complex brew. You have cultural norms of the time (where minstrel shows and blackface were an accepted part of the culture), as well as the fact that the crows are basically the most supportive and postive characters in the movie, compared to the quite simply awful white people. Yes, it doesn't help race relations any that they were black, but I don't think that decision was founded in racism.

There is a broad range of human behavior, grounded in ignorance, thoughtlessness and selfishness that relies on stereotypes and racial categories. It's not positive, but I think absent a footing in hate or disdain or a theory of racial hierarchy it's hard to call it "racist," particularly given the negative connotations of the word. Racially ignorant (which i prefer to the overly soft "insensitive"), of course. But racist? Probobly not.

I was just having a time at it is all . I have no inclination of discussing race and Disney movies....however I'm sure there is a thesis to be found somewhere on the subject. (Speaking of which, I once read a thesis on the sexist undertones of the movie 'Alien' that forever ruined the movie for me). I think while it may not be, as you put it rooted in hate, it still helps to raise a persons consciousness....

What about African American miniatures in fantasy/sci-fi settings though? Why are they always so large and carry hammers?

Humans can invent and use tools. Language is a tool, or a set of tools, and one of the most powerful ways to communicate is through symbols. An arrow means go this way. A red light is a warning (at least in the west).

In our culture, racial attributes are often used as symbols. This is based on stereotypes (some of which manifest themself while some are totally unfair). So making a person black is a shorthand symbol for making them strong. Or it could mean ignorant. A Jew is creative and good with money, but miserly and petty. Asians are well mannered and good at tech, but meek and unimposing. And so on.

Many people ask, why is there are a problem? Every race has it's good and bad points, so it all works out, right? Wrong. What does making a person white mean? In our culture, its' the symbol for "normal, or average." This, of course, defines all non-white people as not-normal.

That is, I imagine, John's point: why are IG "normal humans" using a typical corn fed american accent while Tau are clearly another race? Making the Tau east asian wouldn't be as offensive, I'd imagine, if the humans all spoke with say, a Pakistani accent.

The fact is, the request isn't racist. The very concept that whiteness is inherently normal is!

Iorek wrote:JohnHwang, I have to ask you then, is stereotyping dwarves with a Scottish accent racist?

I'm also a little fuzzy on how the request is racist in the first place. I know you're sensitive on this topic (indeed, on the entire East vs. West thing), but I had always thought that racism meant discriminating against a group based on ethnic and cultural grounds. Could you explain this a bit more clearly?

(This is an honest request; please don't just blow it off with a "if you can't see why, then you're an ignorant jerk" comment.)

Hmm... Up until now, I never thought of Dwarves as Scottish. I tend to think of Dwarves as more Germanic, tied to their mythology. Tho, now that you mention it, there are an awful lot of kilted Dwareves... But I really have no idea where the notion that Dwarves are Scottish comes from, nor how it became a predominant stereotype. That's just weird to me. Part of me wants to go back through the history (RPGA -> DnD -> Tolkien) and just dig a bit.

IMO, the accent thing is utter crap. I speak (American) English with a Mid-Altantic accent (basically accent neutral) - and you'd never guess my ethnicity based on a telephone conversation. So the idea that races should have accents is clearly sterotypical. It's lazy and cheap, and it should have stopped 20 to 30 years ago. Choosing to stereotype the Tau with a lisping, broken voices, that is offensive to me.

For me, the issue is how certain folks feel that regional (racial) accents are necessary in the first place, and then they tend to push this stuff out there to make it normative. Given that the 40k universe revolves around the "good guys" being Imperials (humans), deliberately choosing "the other" to be of another race when plenty of alternatives are possible is, as Polonius put it, insensitive at best.

What bothers me is how asians are the new exotic flavor, and they're going right back to the "oriental" stereotypes from the start of the last century. I say, if you wouldn't treat blacks this way, don't do it with asians or anyone else.

Polonius wrote:Humans can invent and use tools. Language is a tool, or a set of tools, and one of the most powerful ways to communicate is through symbols. An arrow means go this way. A red light is a warning (at least in the west).

In our culture, racial attributes are often used as symbols. This is based on stereotypes (some of which manifest themself while some are totally unfair). So making a person black is a shorthand symbol for making them strong. Or it could mean ignorant. A Jew is creative and good with money, but miserly and petty. Asians are well mannered and good at tech, but meek and unimposing. And so on.

Many people ask, why is there are a problem? Every race has it's good and bad points, so it all works out, right? Wrong. What does making a person white mean? In our culture, its' the symbol for "normal, or average." This, of course, defines all non-white people as not-normal.

That is, I imagine, John's point: why are IG "normal humans" using a typical corn fed american accent while Tau are clearly another race? Making the Tau east asian wouldn't be as offensive, I'd imagine, if the humans all spoke with say, a Pakistani accent.

The fact is, the request isn't racist. The very concept that whiteness is inherently normal is!

Excellent post (and obviously educated on the subject). + Polonius to friends

I always viewed the Tau as utilitarianist....perhaps even communist bastages (I don't know how their economy is represented). There are obvious Asian symbols in their background though...the caste system, their Japan/Mecha suits, etc.

AgeOfEgos wrote:What about African American miniatures in fantasy/sci-fi settings though? Why are they always so large and carry hammers?

It's homage to John Henry, the steel-driving man who beat the steam machine with his hammer. He's a well-known mythological American folk hero.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:What about African American miniatures in fantasy/sci-fi settings though? Why are they always so large and carry hammers?

It's homage to John Henry, the steel-driving man who beat the steam machine with his hammer. He's a well-known mythological American folk hero.

I know

If you check my third picture, I was making a point (tongue in cheek) and having a chuckle...

Yeah but the non-Americans probably wouldn't know that.

I mean, you watch V for Vendetta, and the mask and costume makes *NO* sense whatsoever...

John, that actually cleared things up for me quite a bit. Thank you.

IMO, the accent thing is utter crap. I speak (American) English with a Mid-Altantic accent (basically accent neutral) - and you'd never guess my ethnicity based on a telephone conversation. So the idea that races should have accents is clearly sterotypical. It's lazy and cheap, and it should have stopped 20 to 30 years ago. Choosing to stereotype the Tau with a lisping, broken voices, that is offensive to me.

For me, the issue is how certain folks feel that regional (racial) accents are necessary in the first place, and then they tend to push this stuff out there to make it normative. Given that the 40k universe revolves around the "good guys" being Imperials (humans), deliberately choosing "the other" to be of another race when plenty of alternatives are possible is, as Polonius put it, insensitive at best.

What bothers me is how asians are the new exotic flavor, and they're going right back to the "oriental" stereotypes from the start of the last century. I say, if you wouldn't treat blacks this way, don't do it with asians or anyone else.

I have to agree with John 100% here.

JohnHwangDD wrote:What bothers me is how asians are the new exotic flavor, and they're going right back to the "oriental" stereotypes from the start of the last century. I say, if you wouldn't treat blacks this way, don't do it with asians or anyone else.

I know what you're talking about. I've heard radio people, etc. do some really vicious stereotyping in their attempts to be funny. If it was almost any other ethnic background, it'd probably be seen as highly offensive. But somehow it's okay if it's Asian. Maybe other communities are more likely to protest and make themselves heard, I dunno. Guess it goes to show you that the potential backlash is the only thing keeping more of that stuff from happening.

Is someone did carr fol me?




For those who only watch anime, that is Mickey Rooney playing a Japanese man in Breakfast At Tiffany's. They hired him because he could do a Far East Asian accent. Asians love this portrayal.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yeah but the non-Americans probably wouldn't know that.

hey ! I read Death of Superman/Reign of the Supermen and I... oh.. fair point.

The Tau have obvious asian influeneces, why is having an asian accent racist?

I don't think lisping broken voices are called for. Eastern accents. It's not sterotyping, it's archetyping. A Frenchman speaking perfectly good clear English can still sound french. They're not asking for the Asian version of a minstrel show (see also: Breakfast at Tiffanies). Or at least I hope not. I'd assume they're looking more for Ken Wantanabe then 1945 propaganda cartoons.