IG/Astra Militarum Rumours for April (first post updated 12th April)

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**MrMoustaffa**

Ugh, I hate the "costs as much as a space marine tac squad, additional men can be added for the cost of one ranger each" and other such shenanigans.

Why bother trying to not break GW policy by posting points costs if you're going to break a MUCH MORE SERIOUS POLICY of leaking rumors?

Does anyone have a link that just straight up has the points costs? If the guy had used IG or Ork costs I could figure it out. What possessed him to use Space Marine and Eldar prices is beyond me.

**Swastakowey**

Sorry, looked at the other image with the three of them on it, and yea some kind of mini cannon.

The autoguns look like the are resting there rather than used for shooting. Like the crew has to store its heavy weapons externally?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Swastakowey wrote:
Sorry, looked at the other image with the three of them on it, and yea some kind of mini cannon.

The autoguns look like the are resting there rather than used for shooting. Like the crew has to store its heavy weapons externally?

That would make more sense, yes.

**Bobthehero**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Ugh, I hate the "costs as much as a space marine tac squad, additional men can be added for the cost of one ranger each" and other such shenanigans.

Why bother trying to not break GW policy by posting points costs if you're going to break a MUCH MORE SERIOUS POLICY of leaking rumors?

Does anyone have a link that just straight up has the points costs? If the guy had used IG or Ork costs I could figure it out. What possessed him to use Space Marine and Eldar prices is beyond me.

Points cost on last page, 12 for extra members and from 70 to 85 for the squad, can't remember it now xd

**MrMoustaffa**

Thanks, sorry I missed it.

Have they posted anything solid on the abomination-er I mean taurox? I've seen some weapon stats and the armor value but that's it. Nothing on costs

**Blacksails**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Thanks, sorry I missed it.

Have they posted anything solid on the abomination-er I mean taurox? I've seen some weapon stats and the armor value but that's it. Nothing on costs

Page 69 has some info.

45-50 is what someone gathered for the base Taurox with AC. Re-rolls failed dangerouns terrain tests.

Prime is another 30pts and can upgrade to various other weapons in 10pts increments.

**Peregrine**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Why bother trying to not break GW policy by posting points costs if you're going to break a MUCH MORE SERIOUS POLICY of leaking rumors?

Because people like to congratulate themselves on how "clever" they're being by finding a "loophole" in GW's policies. More sensible people would just post the point costs openly, alongside a link to an explanation of the fact that point costs are game rules, can't be copyrighted, and can be posted freely no matter how much GW likes to pretend that their lawyers are entitled to invent new laws every time someone does something that GW doesn't like.

**Kanluwen**

Compel wrote:
They still look pants to me. I don't actually mind the volley gun as a look, to be honest... But it isn't what I'd call a 'volley gun' - it looks more like some sort of alternate flamer.

Bwhahaha, I love that I was not far off the mark at all on the volley gun.

Well, now I have four of my Kasrkin earmarked to have the barrels on their Hellguns altered to have "Volley" Hellguns.

Also it looks like this was GW responding to requests from players over the years for Stormtroopers to have access to "Multilasers" as a special weapon.

**Slayer le boucher**

The problem with the taurox is that actually , GW have "finally" listened to us.

i mean its been decades that we says that people can't think of a way to squeeze 10 Marines in a rhino, be it the 1St-3rd Ed rhinos or the actual Rhino.

And here, they gave us a Tank that is properly proportionate to how manu models it can fit in!!!.

Its our fault actually, they did it, they did a vehicle that can actually fit 10 models, but they did it poorly once again, and so it look like crap.

if it was a bit more "flat" even the threads should be a little less high, then it might look "okay-ish".

**plastictrees**

The width of the Taurox, assuming the pics aren't super distorted, redeems it a bit to me. Drop it down with wheels and there might be something there in the 'crazy gothic vehicle' vein.

**Gitzbitah**

azreal13 wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
So are you saying that the Wraithknight was Phil Kelly's idea, or not? Saying "he had a hand in it" isn't really answering the question.

I think it's likely that, as a rules creator, he probably had a hand in creating the rules for it. But it's Games Workshop who submits the idea of having a new unit in the first place. No rules creator or artist can introduce the concept of a new thing, it's the corporate part of GW that says "We want something new in the Eldar codex to sell to Eldar players- get the sculpters and writers to whip us up something".

Case in point, iirc you wrote some parts of the Lathe Worlds book. But did you give FFG the idea of the Lathe Worlds book in the first place, or was writing it a task given to you by Fantasy Flight Games?

I've got this weird idea that you think there's some immense dragon sat on a pile of money somewhere in Lenton.

This seems a proper British myth to me. And when the Lost and the Damned next manage to sneak a codex out, it will awaken and blast apart its hill before wreaking fiery vengeance upon the land!

**shade1313**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Din't see this pic on the thread might have missed it, but still din't see it on page 1.

Spoiler:

The battle cannon on the Taurox Prime is a 'Taurox Battle Cannon'. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but it is just Str 7 Ap4 Blast. It can be upgraded for the price of a sergeant to the Gatling Cannon which is Heavy 10 Str 4 AP - or a further sergeant to get the Missile Launcher which is your standard Heavy 2 Frag/Krak combo. The Prime also comes with a mounted Hotshot Volley Gun like the Scions can take which is TL Salvo 2/4 Str 4 Ap 3. Both the Taurox and Taurox prime have 2 additional firing points.

Scions also come with Deep Strike and Move Through Cover. 5 of them come in at the same cost as a 5 man marine tac squad, additional models are 1 Eldar Ranger each. The Scion command squad is the same cost as a 5 man Assault squad, can be upgraded with a Medic, Vox Caster and Banner. The Tempestor is Ldr 9 and all Tempestus squads within 18 inches can use his leadership for morale, pinning, etc. In addition, the Tempestor is considered a junior officer and can give 1 command as per current IG rules. Any command squad models not upgraded may replace their Hotshot Lasguns with Hotshot Volley Guns, Meltaguns or Plasma Guns.

And the Taurox Prime can be taken by regular Scions as well, I had made an error in the previous bit.

Okay, with these pics, I'm kind of digging the new Stormtroopers. Helmets look pretty snacky. The stupid wannabe MRAP still needs those tracks gone in favor of wheels, and to be stripped of the overornamentation.

**HisDivineShadow**

Is the base Taurox really so bad? I hate the model, but rules wise. .. We've wanted a Salamander. Which was Chimera chassis. AC. Open topped and transports 6.

This, while an armor point lower has all that, holds more and has a built in dozer blade. I'll admit I can't remember what Sally costed, but it couldn't have been much cheaper the Taurox.

**Rostere**

I think I might make some conversions with the new Scions, these respirators and some Cadian torsos.

**Orthon**

This needs to be renamed Codex: Gets Crushed by Wave Serpents.

AV11/10/10 vehicles with no save and T3/4+ save models are just not going to cut it when tons of people are spamming wave serpents.

Are these at least assault vehicles or something?

**Azreal13**

Gitzbitah wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
So are you saying that the Wraithknight was Phil Kelly's idea, or not? Saying "he had a hand in it" isn't really answering the question.

I think it's likely that, as a rules creator, he probably had a hand in creating the rules for it. But it's Games Workshop who submits the idea of having a new unit in the first place. No rules creator or artist can introduce the concept of a new thing, it's the corporate part of GW that says "We want something new in the Eldar codex to sell to Eldar players- get the sculpters and writers to whip us up something".

Case in point, iirc you wrote some parts of the Lathe Worlds book. But did you give FFG the idea of the Lathe Worlds book in the first place, or was writing it a task given to you by Fantasy Flight Games?

I've got this weird idea that you think there's some immense dragon sat on a pile of money somewhere in Lenton.

This seems a proper British myth to me. And when the Lost and the Damned next manage to sneak a codex out, it will awaken and blast apart its hill before wreaking fiery vengeance upon the land!

Believe me when I say there are places in the British Isles that will make you swear that magic must have existed once upon a time, Tintagel (Camelot) in Cornwall, Dunluce Castle in Northern Ireland (Cair Paravel in the Narnia books was inspired by it) the Welsh mountains, the Scottish Highlands, Stonehenge.....

Nottingham is not one of those places!

**Swastakowey**

"The Prime also comes with a mounted Hotshot Volley Gun like the Scions can take which is TL Salvo 2/4 Str 4 Ap 3"

"Any command squad models not upgraded may replace their Hotshot Lasguns with Hotshot Volley Guns, Meltaguns or Plasma Guns."

Does the above sound right? I saw it on a blog.

That command squad sounds deadly. Salvo means if it doesnt move it gets full RoF right? My rank and file gunlines would love this gun so much.

**Azreal13**

Until you find out it has a 12" range!

**Swastakowey**

azreal13 wrote:
Until you find out it has a 12" range!

Oh... Maybe not then. Not a gunline weapon for me then.

**MajorStoffer**

I'm liking the stormtroopers somewhat, sans the gaudy, terrible paint scheme they've chosen for them.

However, they're still $70 for ten.

**Sabotage!**

MajorStoffer wrote:
I'm liking the stormtroopers somewhat, sans the gaudy, terrible paint scheme they've chosen for them.

However, they're still $70 for ten.

I agree, I'm a really big fan of the helmets. I actually like them quite a lot in the new images, but I think they would look much better with a different paint scheme.

I might actually pick up a box to make some Inquisitorial stormtroopers for my ITEN skirmish force. Jeez, if I do that would be the first 40k product I've bought in almost two years.

**Azreal13**

Swastakowey wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Until you find out it has a 12" range!

Oh... Maybe not then. Not a gunline weapon for me then.

Can't say it does, but I haven't seen a range listed yet, and GW does like to balance out a good gun by giving it an arse range.

**Brother SRM**

Oh baby, I LOVE these. I also really like the missile racks on the back of the truck - it'll make for a great Katyusha rocket launcher for my Valhallans!

**combat engineer**

That ugly vehicle may make an appearance in my Ork horde.

Mat

**derling**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who is this monolithic "Games Workshop" you keep referring to, as if there's some sort of ideas think-tank separate from the design studio that comes up with concepts? That's the job of the people like Phil Kelly.

As I have said, the design studio comes up with the ideas. Whether the Wraith Knight was Phil's own idea completely from him is largely irrelevant. I can assure you that every new thing would have started along the lines of “Why don’t we try X”, and then people would have spun ideas (artists would have done concept work, the writers thought up rules, and so on).

this is 'somewhat close' to how things work in the deign studio in my experience. there ARE external influences affecting games design on the studio... and then internal studio dynamics, current project managers and their ideas, and the ever fluid 'studio philosophies of the day' play a big hand in what gets delivered in a codex before the "lead writer" gets to fill in the remaining blanks. to either praise or shame an GW employee individual based on his name being the main one on a given book though is of minimum truth. Some studio names get lucky and others don't.

Hope that helps.

Last remaining external 40k playtester (last of the "honorable order of the Techpriest') from 2004 Tau 4th edition Codex until 2012 Tau 5th edition army list and those army lists and game editions in between.

**the_Armyman**

I don't particulalrly like the aesthetics of the Taurox, which pretty much means I won't buy the model, but I feel like we're missing more info at this point regarding its rules. Nothing about it seems significantly more desirable than a bog standard Chimera. Assuming it has a BS4, it can put out some dakka against GEQs, but even equipped with the AP3 volley-doohickey and with 2 firepoints, it just seems lacking against power armor.

Maybe it has some special rule(s) that makes it an interesting choice? Possibly being able to issue orders from inside the vehicle?

**Swastakowey**

Any one know if these guys will be able to deepstrike?

As to the new codices and models etc I would have thought everyone would meet in the concept stages and planned. So all the advertising guys, money watchers, sculptors, writers and so on get together and figure out a rough plan and go from there. When a rough plan is made each group goes off and does its specific thing. Thats how it works when I do the adverts at my business. Everyone even slightly involved has to hear the plan and when they have the info they need I send them to do their thing and it goes from there. So everyone has a bit to do with it id imagine.

**Chief Librarian Mephiston**

Swastakowey wrote:
Any one know if these guys will be able to deepstrike?

According to rumors, they have both Deep Strike and Move Through Cover.

**spacewolf407**

Looks like the trailer video is up at the GW website.

**krazynadechukr**

drool...those scions....ooooh....all helmeted army of these!