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 Kanluwen wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

LostTemplar wrote:
Someone got the lionguard box by accident...

Link, pretty please?

It's on Bolter & Chainsword. There were no pictures of the models, just a fancy box that said "4 Miniatures".

That one?

Oh man they really have tons of problems at the warehouse, huh?

Maybe this is a ploy to get people to buy stuff hoping to get a random treasure.

Could be warehouse issue but could also be someone with access to the product saying they got a mispack.

Correct, that is the only photo right now.

A lot of people have been very coy about where/when the items they bought happened. There was a supposed theft from or of a container back in January or December in Germany--maybe that's where this stuff is all coming from?

JWBS wrote:
Could be warehouse issue but could also be someone with access to the product saying they got a mispack.

Yeah, it's a plausible cover story for someone threading the absolute edge of their NDA

Or just a marketing trick as people get more excited by secret leaks and rumours than official news

 Kanluwen wrote:
Correct, that is the only photo right now.

A lot of people have been very coy about where/when the items they bought happened. There was a supposed theft from or of a container back in January or December in Germany--maybe that's where this stuff is all coming from?

That's the first i'm hearing of that, is there somewhere i can read up on that?

I want to say it was mentioned on TGA? I've heard nothing more than just a singular mention--I'm only bringing it up as one of these leaked Dantes was from Germany.

@Daedalus81

Right, problem is how GW solved lethality not that they tried to solve and the timing

10th is in the work for 2 years now, and same as CA updates solved problems that were relevant 6 months prior release, 10th is based on feedback and problems the game had 1,5 years ago
This will give a fresh start of course but the lessons learned from the last 6 months are not there yet but will change 10th in between

New models, or a bundle set of the Lion with a set of 3 Bladeguard and a DA upgrade sprue?

 Kanluwen wrote:
I want to say it was mentioned on TGA? I've heard nothing more than just a singular mention--I'm only bringing it up as one of these leaked Dantes was from Germany.

Eh, no problem, would just have interested me where it happened.

Maybe that leak is enough to trigger their emergency reveal tactics tomorrow, i sure hope it does Although i doubt it as long as it's practically just a name and a number. The leaker does not seem like they wanted to show more, but maybe they change their mind, who knows.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
New models, or a bundle set of the Lion with a set of 3 Bladeguard and a DA upgrade sprue?

Apparently 3 Guards and a Watcher in the Dark.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

And the Vashtorr 2 pager is likely very close to what we're going to see for armies going forward:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/GxkHULB4dteaJ6sb.pdf

To be honest, the World Eaters Codex already had this sort of set up, even with a sub-faction.

2 pages, 3 warlord traits/relics in each, possible force restrictions listed, 6 stratagems, different from the others. Played with the core stratagems.

They've been going with the simplified sub-faction rules for a while but I think they've been fluctuating between relics, traits and stratagems til they found what they wanted as their balance.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
And the Vashtorr 2 pager is likely very close to what we're going to see for armies going forward:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/GxkHULB4dteaJ6sb.pdf

You know I could live with a data sheet like that especially if I had another sheet that listed all of my units (but I guess that's what the cards that GW's talking about are for).

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Correct, that is the only photo right now.

A lot of people have been very coy about where/when the items they bought happened. There was a supposed theft from or of a container back in January or December in Germany--maybe that's where this stuff is all coming from?

That's the first i'm hearing of that, is there somewhere i can read up on that?

A while back a bunch of Eldar collector coins (the ones you get free at a store for spending £60) appeared on ebay. Not just one or two but an account selling whole boxes of them on.
It got reported and around that time it transpired that GW had suffered a bunch of stock at their main factory being contaminated due to a sewage leak locally. However it seems that some items around then which were set for destruction due to actual or potential contamination were stolen and instead sold on.

This is around the same time a store started selling a large amount of forgeworld models as well.



GW might also have some people stealing from the warehouses; it will happen and the internet means that some are brazen enough to post about it.
And cause stuff has to be distributed around there's every chance that people in the chain get stuff and are posting it online for fun; hoping that they don't get caught out breaking their NDA contacts.
We likely only see this for GW because of the internet prestige and because of GW's scale simply having more people in the process and thus more potential weak points.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

LostTemplar wrote:
Someone got the lionguard box by accident...

Link, pretty please?

It's on Bolter & Chainsword. There were no pictures of the models, just a fancy box that said "4 Miniatures".

That one?

Are these just regular bladeguard with a DA upgrade sprue?

They are just regular Bladeguard not even any upgrades just a Bone paint scheme.

 DaveC wrote:
They are just regular Bladeguard not even any upgrades just a Bone paint scheme.

Very disapointing. Dosent even look like they get a DA upgrade sprue.

 Nicorex wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
They are just regular Bladeguard not even any upgrades just a Bone paint scheme.

Very disapointing. Dosent even look like they get a DA upgrade sprue.

I was a bit optimistic on my guess it seems.

Will the Lion only be available in this box, or is this going to be a slightly discounted bundle with the Lion also sold on his own? I could see the box being £65 to £75.

I was expecting some sort of unique unit like The Ultarmarines Victrix Guard.

Just 3 normal, non-dark Angels Bladegaurd is boring, a big missed opportunity, and just a baffling decision.

I mean, if you want some fancy heavy infantry for something like Lion's guard. Pop a storm shield on these badboys and you're good to go.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Dark-Angels-Legion-Inner-Circle-Knights-2020

cody.d. wrote:
I mean, if you want some fancy heavy infantry for something like Lion's guard. Pop a storm shield on these badboys and you're good to go.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Dark-Angels-Legion-Inner-Circle-Knights-2020

They’ll be too small once the new terminators come out.

So Lion looks like a bit of a midget compared to Guilliman and Abaddon and 30k Lion then. Disappointing. It would be fine if the standard wasn't already set, maybe better even, but it is so this kind of sucks imo.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I was expecting some sort of unique unit like The Ultarmarines Victrix Guard.

Just 3 normal, non-dark Angels Bladegaurd is boring, a big missed opportunity, and just a baffling decision.

I've just realised that box is a boarding patrol. 400pts for the lion, 100pts for bladeguard. "recommended for use with AOO: The Lion"

Bet he'll get a rebox in future once these have sold out.

Undoubtedly he'll get a release on his own eventually.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
... a big missed opportunity...

Well this is GW, and what does GW never miss an opportunity to do?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I was expecting some sort of unique unit like The Ultarmarines Victrix Guard.

Just 3 normal, non-dark Angels Bladegaurd is boring, a big missed opportunity, and just a baffling decision.

Just because they don't have unique models doesn't mean they won't have unique rules. I'm planning on making some the same way I made Victrix Guard for my Ultras: Primaris Lt. with a Custodes shield, Grey Knight terminator Sword, and a head from the Venerable Dreadnought.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Pretend you're a manager of a project and you gave your team ( GW ) the feedback you give here. Did they listen? I am sure they didn't do everything you would have wanted, but did they listen?

Listening and understanding are two different things, and has been long established, GW don't play the same game as the rest of us, so any feedback they've received likely to be misinterpreted or acted on in an impulsive and over-compensatory manner.

I mean, we can see it with their announcement. Cutting down armies to two pages of rules, and absolutely gutting the strats, warlord traits, relics and psychic powers. This is the hard pendulum swing GW that so many of us expect, and that so many of us dread. There's no attempt to engage with or fix the problems of 9th; they just throw them out the window and start with a clean slate, hoping for the best, hoping that maybe this time they'll get it right.

If at first you don't succeed try and try and try and try and try... and 10th edition!

It'll be great this time. Honest! Here have (temporarily) free rules to distract you from the fact that your AUD$80+ hardbacks and expensive card packs are worth less than the paper they're printed on, some only months after they were released. Pay no attention to the fact that we've done this over and over again, and that we were already planning this a year into 9th, and we'll be writing 11th a year into 10th. No, this time - this time! - it'll be good.

Why do you think I get more concerned with what we're losing rather than what we're gaining: What good ideas and fun options did they throw away in an attempt to "fix" something, which they haven't fixed, just replaced with something new.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I know people want to put the cart before the horse here - at some point GW will try something silly or execute something poorly. What matters is that there's communication and a path to remediate.

The part that gets me is just how willing people are to accept this announcement as anything different than what came before.

Yes, it's true, not everyone has been in the hobby as long as some of us, so they don't necessarily have the experience or frame of reference to know when GW is blowing smoke, but this isn't rocket surgery: GW has done this before, and GW will do this again. Nothing ever changes with them except the prices.

I mean it's great that Stu Black (that's his surname, right?) is happy about "listening" to the players, and I believe that he believes he's doing the right thing, but as I said, they're just tossing everything overboard and going back to the drawing board and why should we trust that this time it'll be better? And why are you so willing to trust them this time?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Personally I can't imagine trying to build a product that pleases every facet of people in this hobby.

This has nothing to do with pleasing "every facet of people in this hobby", so please, don't bother finishing your towering man of straw, because he's unnecessary.

Very disappointing and brings into question a DA primaris revamp.

 kodos wrote:
Or just a marketing trick as people get more excited by secret leaks and rumours than official news

It would help explain why Dante was conveniently leaked so he wouldn't be overshadowed by the Lion and 10th at Adepticon, but the leaker refused to show the datasheet and just hyped the model instead.

Why is there no image on the front of the box?

 Asmodai wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Or just a marketing trick as people get more excited by secret leaks and rumours than official news

It would help explain why Dante was conveniently leaked so he wouldn't be overshadowed by the Lion and 10th at Adepticon, but the leaker refused to show the datasheet and just hyped the model instead.

You'd think they'd want to send it to someone who was a bit better at painting since the paint job seemed very beginner (and Dante's covered in sand). Obviously, they couldn't to someone too good, since that would be suspicious. Thooo, they could have sent it to a popular painter and had required them to say "a fan received this and sent it to me as a gift."