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Apocalypse induced the Baneblade,Shadowsword and Hellhammer.
In Apoc reloaded we may get a 3 Baneblade formation. Some fluff also showed super heavys in a group of 3.

My question is:

How should the variants be fielded? Especially the Stormblade,Stormhammer,Stormsword and maybe the Stormlord?

Was there any company level formation that generates a 1-3 group?

There is a Baneblade formation in Apocalypse reloaded, but no variants, just Baneblades.

Makes most sense to me to keep the formations homogenous anyways, except possibly something like a pair of Stormblades (Long Range firepower) with a Hellhammer or Stormlord (short ranged support).

If you want organisation background look at Epic. Super heavy tank companies normally used three taks, and that was when they had the luxury of having more than one. However there is no longer any guarantee all three were the same model tank.

Early Epic was Warhammer 30K, it is generally understood that the Imperium has fewer heavy resources than it once had.

A Super-Heavy Company, according to the organisational charts in Imperial Armour Volume 1, consists of 4 Super-Heavy Tanks.

There are three tanks plus the Command Tank, and they mix the types quite freely throughout them, althoug Baneblades are the most common.

BYE

Thanks.

Free to use 1-4 tanks per squad if i respect epic really helps.
Can base my tanks at epic armageddon and divide them at: standard midrange/ infantry support / longrange.

Infantry support = Hellhammer,Stormsword,Stormhammer,Stormlord.
Standard = Baneblade,Stormblade.
longrange = Shadowsword.

Actual Plan:

HQ Baneblade.

Baneblade,Stormblade,3rd blade maybe 4th(storm or bane).
Hellhammer,Stormsword,Stormlord,2nd hammer (hell or storm).
Shadowsword, 2nd maybe 3rd or 4th to add

11 or 12 super heavys, mars,lucius,arkurian pattern for his service

I decided to set up a Super Heavy Battalion. The tanks in italics are the ones I don't have yet:

Command Shadowsword

Baneblade
Baneblade
Baneblade

Stormblade
Stormblade
Hellhammer

Macharius
Macharius (Vanquisher)
Macharius (Vulcan)

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H.B.M.C. wrote:I decided to set up a Super Heavy Battalion. The tanks in italics are the ones I don't have yet:

Command Shadowsword

Baneblade
Baneblade
Baneblade

Stormblade
Stormblade
Hellhammer

Macharius
Macharius (Vanquisher)
Macharius (Vulcan)

BYE

Now that is a sight I can't wait to see! Good luck on your project!

al-Majid Agandhjin bin Ahfal al-Rashid

Yes, do post pics! Are they 40k scale or Epic?

No epic Tanks,just 40k:



Super-heavys:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/1hadhq_IG_for_apokalypse

Actual add to my super heavys is a Stormsword.Now i'm thinking about the "pattern" of my tanks.The forgeworlds produce slight
different vehicles and I wonder if there would be a problem to use squadrons with Tanks of different "pattern" or origin.

Are units bound to pure "mars" or "lucius" patterns? Maybe I should use the plastic Baneblade as chassis and take the reference to
patterns only to list the equipment of my tanks,calling them to be from a not-so-common forgeworld?


WIP pics of a Stormsword:





This may get a "lucius pattern" stormsword. Could do also a "arkurian pattern". :S

Ooh... wow. I've wanted to see one of those getting constructed.

Truthfully the thing that has stopped me from getting the last two Super-Heavies I need is that I've had a complete gutful with Forgeworld.

Their miscast, badly moulded and downright impossible to build big-models really pissed me off last time. Combine that with their 'Not our problem' attitude to shipping delays and problems, I actually really dislike Forge World as a company.

That said, given that the newer Super-Heavies are conversion kits as opposed to full resin kits, that might be something in their favour. Of the Super-Heavies I own, the Stormblade and one of the Baneblades are the old full resin kits. And they are horrendous models. The Baneblade went together ok, but those tracks are just bad. The Stormblade, I kid you not, there were points where I almost picked it up and threw it against the wall. There are parts of it now that still won't stick together, and parts that never fit.

The Macharius I have built (still have yet to build the other two) went together fine, so I think Forgeworld has learnt, but I'd like to hear from some people who have the conversion kits - how well do they go together? I'd especially like to hear from anyone who has a conversion kit that also has one of the full kits like I do, and the comparisons between the two.

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@ H.B.M.C :

yup, a combi plastic Baneblade plus conversion parts kit.
So few resin parts that it came at 130 euro, compared to 95 for a full plastic baneblade not too bad.

The only not so good cast is the main mid armor piece with the problem to fit the front plate in plastic and the big resin part
together without a gap.I wasn't able to do,so covered this by expanding the small front piece with plastic cut from the sprue.
The back replacement has only little gaps,easy to fill them with modelling putty.Two of the barrel holds was left-side ones,
I saw the crossbeams off and glued them to the other side.Filled up gaps with model putty.
Conversion kits are the way to go for me and other not "endless patient" modellers.

The non-original part is the front twin-heavy bolter.I'll go for a "lucius pattern" stormblade and the front HB may not be placed
as it is at the baneblade.So I made my own "not confirmed by pics from GW or FW" version from spare parts.
May be the wrong place for the HB,but IMHO noone would place a anti-infantry gun not in front to use a forward firing angle to
mow down anyone in front before rolling over the remnants.

The plastic kit really helps: a)your purse. b) the model to fit.

Now some progress with the stormsword.

Filled the gaps to go for first layer of paint.


Started painting with airbrush. Tank Grey as basic layer.


Added stone grey and greenish grey,completed 3 color camo with another go at tank grey.


You can see my tank now.When can we see yours?

I guess the major win for those conversion kits are the track assemblies. The completely resin Baneblades have, you guessed it, completely resin tracks. Each track-wheel is separate (and the additional resin on it must be sawed off with a handsaw). And the tracks themselves don't even stretch the whole way - there are always gaps between each one.

Basically, imagine trying to put together the current Russ kit's tracks, only they don't cover the whole distance and you can only do it with super-glue.

In fact, this is the chief reason I haven't gone and got a company of Malcadors. I love the model kit, but the presence of more of those damned plastic tracks, and the idea of having to stick them on with super-glue... no. I'll pass. I've already put together 31 Russ Hulls and 24 Chimera Hulls - I've had enough of plastic tracks, multi-piece track links. Give me Land Raider tracks any day... those things are perfect.

The Macharius' tracks come in two pieces - the entire side of the tank, with the tracks moulded on, and one small bit of track that you stick at the end. Simple. Why they can't all be like that is anyone's guess.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
I haven't gone and got a company of Malcadors.

The Malcador is too WW I ish for me,didn't like the main gun to be aimed with the whole vehicle.
Its the reason why my stormblade has the main armament in a turret ( 360° FTW)
I have nothing against a hunter-type tank (shadowsword) or a siege tank (stormsword) with the looks of a "sturmgeschütz",
but any battle-tank (small or ultra-big) should have 360° with his main gun.

I've already put together 31 Russ Hulls and 24 Chimera Hulls.

you counted them ?
I did really just build some tracked vehicles for a army and the next for the following army and so on.....
never used them together and was surprised where I got when counting models to make a list for apocalypse.
Ready and painted: 53x rhino-based, 9x Land Raider-based, 28x Leman Russ-based, and 9x Chimera-based.
So lack in the chimera experience

Give me Land Raider tracks any day... those things are perfect.

The Land Raider is a great model,the IG just needs a "modernized" sprue for their tanks.
Existing plastics for IG are far too old (exception Baneblade)and if the quality goes up now,I can finally add the mech infantry to my tanks.

For heavys in a squad I think the Macharius seems to suit me better than Malcadors,but I will add some trackguards because I
dislike open "please immobilize me" tracks.Shouldn't plan too much,first get the super-heavys ready and if theres time
(and no valkyrie around) I may do a heavy squad of tanks.

1hadhq wrote:The Malcador is too WW I ish for me,didn't like the main gun to be aimed with the whole vehicle. Its the reason why my stormblade has the main armament in a turret ( 360° FTW) I have nothing against a hunter-type tank (shadowsword) or a siege tank (stormsword) with the looks of a "sturmgeschütz", but any battle-tank (small or ultra-big) should have 360° with his main gun.

I happen to really like WWI tanks most because they were looked strange. Plus my idea was to use them as a 'Siege Company' along with the 6 Demolishers I have (Command Maldacor + 3 Squadrons of 1 Malcador/2 Demolishers).

1hadhq wrote:you counted them?

Had to be sure.

1hadhq wrote:Ready and painted: 53x rhino-based, 9x Land Raider-based, 28x Leman Russ-based, and 9x Chimera-based.
So lack in the chimera experience

Mine aren't painted. Chimeras are horrible things to put together. Their tracks are annoying, more annoying than the Russ actually. I can put a Russ together blindfolded, but a Chimera... it's different every time.

1hadhq wrote:The Land Raider is a great model,the IG just needs a "modernized" sprue for their tanks. Existing plastics for IG are far too old (exception Baneblade)and if the quality goes up now,I can finally add the mech infantry to my tanks.

It's just that the way the tracks were done on the Russ and Chimera was completely unecessary. Why do we need track wheels that we'l never see? Why do we have to put these tracks together all the way round? The Rhino and the Land Raider have tracks, but they fit into specific points with no variation. And they look perfect. The Baneblade has the same system, and it's great.

It could be worse. It could be the old resin Super-Heavies. As I mentioned, the tracks on them are not fun.

1hadhq wrote:For heavys in a squad I think the Macharius seems to suit me better than Malcadors,but I will add some trackguards because I dislike open "please immobilize me" tracks.Shouldn't plan too much,first get the super-heavys ready and if theres time

I have a squadron of Macharius' (one of each type). Haven't put the Vulcan and Vanquisher ones together (the Stormblade drained all energy I have for resin kits), but the standard one, the first super-heavy I bought - we call it the 'BabyBlade' - was so simple to put together. Very, very nice kits. I suggest getting some.

But yeah, if there's a plastic Valkyrie/Vulture... oh boy. My Storm Troopers will be riding in style from that point onwards.

BYE

Got the formations to this:

General-HQ
Command-Baneblade
Super-heavy company:
1.blade: Baneblade,Baneblade,Stormblade
2.blade: Stormlord,Hellhammer,Stormhammer
3.blade: Shadowsword,Shadowsword,(baneblade) with turbolaser
4.blade: Stormsword,(baneblade)with mega-infernocannon,(baneblade)with apoc missile launcher

Heavy support squad 1:
Macharius vulcan,Macharius vulcan,Macharius vulcan

Heavy battle squad 2:
Tiger I conversion,Tiger I conversion,Tiger I conversion

Tank lead company:
Vanquisher + 3x3 tanks

2nd tank company:
Vanquisher + 3x3 tanks

Mech inf:
sentinel-squads,hellhound squads,conquerors,laser destroyer, chimeras

air cav:
3x Valkyrie,Valkyrie,Vulture

Long way to go but I have already the Tank companys and 50% of the mech inf

Actual tanks from baneblade-family:

command and first 4 super heavy:


only 8 big tanks to build left

Only one Vanquisher per Company? My 1st Tank Company has 4 Vanquishers, the Command Vanq and then one Vanq per squadron (all the rest are regular Russes).

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H.B.M.C. wrote:Only one Vanquisher per Company? My 1st Tank Company has 4 Vanquishers, the Command Vanq and then one Vanq per squadron (all the rest are regular Russes).

BYE

I have used my scratchbuild vanquishers for the companys.They were out of service after the IG dex was cut last time from vanq's and griffons.So they just reentered service.
The first company takes all the variants (executioners/exterminators/demolishers) and my second is pure russes.
Conqerors moved to mech inf.
I know i could do better

Just to throw my hat into the ring:

The Macharius models are very very easy to assemble, there's no comparison to the larger superheavies or that @#$#$ing warhound..

And I will echo what hmbc says about chimera tracks.....my final three will be assembled this week (Artemia pattern hellhounds ftw!) and then that's it. No more for a very very long time.

With so much pro-Macharius suggests,how could I resist?

Chimeras are coming in my plan after C: IG is available.Want some confirmation about guard-formations in the coming
dex first.And must know if some kits were redone,last time I made my own models GW made theirs a few months later.

If the Leman Russ returns to 3 variants (hope for plastic) and if Chimeras get more weapon options(plastic?),
there may be a chance for a recut of these ancient kits.

Stormsword ready for service,entering his place in the company.

A few pics:
side view fully painted:

front view:


i should place the following models in my armylist or at modelling

Modelling.

BYE

hi guys.

about those formations.

WD 336 says:

1 baneblade is a battlegroup (all by itself because it has so many weapons)
3 baneblades is a company(with one commander tank included)
9 baneblades is 3 company,s
10 baneblades is a superheavy regiment.

the leader of those 3x3 baneblade,s is the regimental HQ commander (da big boss)

i like such regiments.

i like those models you people made a lot.
you people got a lot of superheavy,s.

I tend to go off of what IA says rather than some random White Dwarf issue, so a Super-Heavy Company to me is 4 tanks.

But the Regiment that you've mentioned there fits with what I'm aiming for.

BYE

Imperial formation structure: squad-company-regiment/battalion-?division?

squad of 3 seems to be loved by GW publications
Company is for standard sized tanks 10 (30-50 crewmen)
Regiment consisting of 5-7 companys would be 50-70 tanks (150/250 -210/350 crewmen)

a WD company of super heavy => 3 (30-36 crewmen)
WD regiment of super heavy => 10 (100-120 crewmen)

The next level (division) for tanks looks imaginable (5-7 Rgt = 250-490 tanks).crew = 750-2450.
The same level for super heavy looks wrong (5-7 rgt = 50-70 SHT) in case of crew. => 500-700.

While I can see the comparison between 3 tanks 12 crew and 1 SHT 10 crew, the space consumation is more 4-5 tanks to 1 SHT.
I've thought the imperial formations size was derived from transportship space,so infantry and standard tanks fit completely in
one spacecraft.SHT must use other transports,the needed space doesn't fit with normal infantry or mechanized. :S

Crewsize is also questionable with tanks vs super heavy.Even with 10 crewmen the standard tanks need 3 times the crew?

So 4 SHT fits better. company = 4 / 40 crew, rgt = 20-28 / 200-280 crew, ?div? = 100-196 / 1000 -1960 crew.

More viable with armysize. companys have 50-100 men,regiments have 500-700 men, ?div? have 2500-4900 men.
Tanks or super heavy would be only half the size in manpower than infantry.=> 50/250/1500

The intention of WD was surely to copy the "emperors fist"company from russes to baneblades.
I will hold on the 4 per company at full numbers for super-heavy,the squads of 3 could be the result of losses in engagements.
Thats mostly the case for mechanized units to be only at founding or at refitting (at a forgeworld) in full strength.

Regiment is a formation of pure russes/baneblades and therefore i call mine a battalion (=>mixed formation).
No I'm not crazy and plan full regiments of pure super heavys to form a division

I would imagine that whatever transport the IG uses, it can't carry more than 3 Schwerepanzeren.

You imagine not enough,john

It would be easier with SM,their landing crafts are in the epic-book.
I need a source for imperial landers and their transport capacity

or I'll just IMAGINE myself some transports fitting to my needs

Sure, that works.

It has to

Searched at BFG and Lexicanum.Only short descriptions of the ship-size,nothing about capacity.
Maybe the info from BL books,where 3 or 4 regiments (infantry and tanks) fit into a frigate,will help.
If a little frigate can load this much, a mid-sized military transport with surface-capability must do the same amount.

On a sidenote: PDF Apocalypse datasheet says Baneblade company is 3+ baneblades