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It wasn't just GW - there were lots more anime and films and kids tv shows and toys all focused around wargames. Epic let you play big battles and wars!
This was back when most RTS computer games were either not invented yet or were for rich geeks or they only let you have a tiny army.

So Epic was the big thing you got tanks and titans and all the imagination of huge epic battles!

Chikout wrote:
I find all these rumours very strange. In white dwarf there is a picture of command terminal packs, and weapon card pack. Each of these has a little Web exclusive sticker in the corner. The picture of the grand master edition does not have this sticker. In the recent interview on warhammer live Andy Hoare said the terminal packs would be Web exclusive but also made no mention of the grand master edition being Web exclusive.
It is possible that managers of smaller stores are being given the choice of whether to carry it or not. My local store is basically a large cupboard.

The managers haven't really been told anything yet, it wasn't really covered all that mucg at this weeks meeting at HQ.

.. officially anyway .

Briefing pack and order info is to follow.

 clodax66 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.

Definitely. You have to remember that for most of the life of Epic 1st & 2nd edition, 40K was still on 1st edition, which was a very, very different beast from the 40K of today, and was a mish-mash of rules & pretty tricky to play. So for most people Epic was *the* game to play in the 40K universe, it was definitely much more popular than "full" 40K. All that changed with 40k 2nd edition and Epic 3rd edition

 reds8n wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I find all these rumours very strange. In white dwarf there is a picture of command terminal packs, and weapon card pack. Each of these has a little Web exclusive sticker in the corner. The picture of the grand master edition does not have this sticker. In the recent interview on warhammer live Andy Hoare said the terminal packs would be Web exclusive but also made no mention of the grand master edition being Web exclusive.
It is possible that managers of smaller stores are being given the choice of whether to carry it or not. My local store is basically a large cupboard.

The managers haven't really been told anything yet, it wasn't really covered all that mucg at this weeks meeting at HQ.

.. officially anyway .

Briefing pack and order info is to follow.

Well, that little blurb could be read in a really bad way, or could mean nothing.

The whole handling of this has been baffling tbh, if they've known for a long time that this is going to be an expensive, limited product then surely the rational thing to do is settle on a price and let people know well in advance so they can put money aside. It's not like we're talking about "impulse buy" levels of cash here. As it stands I've gone from being hyped for this and having money put aside to wondering if I'll be buying in at all because of the lack of concrete pricing info.

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

When epic was 3rd main game there weren't other specialist games. It lost sales with 3rd ed which drove off fans.

Also epic armageddon outsold expectations by hundreds of percents despite lousy pricing system

I find the timing strange too. I mean Kill Team was a big release with a lot of hype and coverage in the mainstream gaming press etc, etc. Now only weeks later we have this.

They could waited for a bigger gap in their release schedule

 JoyrexJ9 wrote:
I find the timing strange too. I mean Kill Team was a big release with a lot of hype and coverage in the mainstream gaming press etc, etc. Now only weeks later we have this.

They could waited for a bigger gap in their release schedule

Perhaps there isn't one? It's been nearly 3 months since the last 40k codex, and we know at least two more are coming 'soon'. There are confirmations & rumours for a lot of stuff coming out between now and the end of this year.

 JoyrexJ9 wrote:
I find the timing strange too. I mean Kill Team was a big release with a lot of hype and coverage in the mainstream gaming press etc, etc. Now only weeks later we have this.

They could waited for a bigger gap in their release schedule

Does seem a bit odd, the smarter thing to do would have been to hold off on this release put out space wovles and Orks in codex format, and put AT out in november or so as a "christmas item"

It's a good time to release, they e says on warhammer tv if it sold out on launch it'll be back in a couple of months (the GME). So launch now, gauge demand, resupply fir the holiday season using the sales data. Better than launching in November and getting it wrong with no economical way to get more copies before 2019.

Plus they know a good core of customers will buy it, so this puts it in front of people ready for the holiday period and into gift lists etc

I'm pretty certain we will get a warhammer community article today and it was stated on WTV that would be how they'd unveil pricing.

Keep dropping in to this thread to have a look, am on the fence at the moment for this one.
Always liked titans but does anyone have any idea how far they are going to expand this range, i mean can we expect armour support and flyers to be released as for me the novelty of titans could wear out quickly.
Sorry it it’s been posted/answered before but would love to see armoured columns along side the titans.

 xKillGorex wrote:
Keep dropping in to this thread to have a look, am on the fence at the moment for this one.
Always liked titans but does anyone have any idea how far they are going to expand this range, i mean can we expect armour support and flyers to be released as for me the novelty of titans could wear out quickly.
Sorry it it’s been posted/answered before but would love to see armoured columns along side the titans.

Not for a while. They will be doing a reaver, a warhound, some plastic weapon options, probably a few more knights and the scenery we have seen including the awesome train. They have talked about expanding the game out to include other vehicles or xenos titans if it is successful, but Andy Hoare said that would be years later.

 JoyrexJ9 wrote:

 clodax66 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.

Definitely. You have to remember that for most of the life of Epic 1st & 2nd edition, 40K was still on 1st edition, which was a very, very different beast from the 40K of today, and was a mish-mash of rules & pretty tricky to play. So for most people Epic was *the* game to play in the 40K universe, it was definitely much more popular than "full" 40K. All that changed with 40k 2nd edition and Epic 3rd edition

You sure about that? I seem to remember Epic being around mainly when chainswords had parry and you'd give your assault marines little hand flamers and swords / fist combos (this guy was MVP http://chaptermasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/img_9991.jpg ). That'ss gotta be second edition right? A fair bit after Rogue Trader. But I'm not entirely sure. It was just "40K" as far as I was concerned


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tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

When epic was 3rd main game there weren't other specialist games. It lost sales with 3rd ed which drove off fans.

Also epic armageddon outsold expectations by hundreds of percents despite lousy pricing system

Maybe I'm getting confused with the names. Space marine, Epic, Titanicus. But where I am they were definitely playing 8mm scale games whilst the Specialist systems were in their ascendancy.

2nd edition 40k was 1993 to 1998. 2nd edition Epic ran from 1991 to 1997.

It overlapped a lot of other specialist games (although they weren't called that at the time) - including Necromunda, Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest. Epic was unique among them in that it received pretty much constant new releases up until it's 3rd edition, unlike most of those other games which often had under a year's worth of extra content following them.

JWBS wrote:

 JoyrexJ9 wrote:

 clodax66 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.

Definitely. You have to remember that for most of the life of Epic 1st & 2nd edition, 40K was still on 1st edition, which was a very, very different beast from the 40K of today, and was a mish-mash of rules & pretty tricky to play. So for most people Epic was *the* game to play in the 40K universe, it was definitely much more popular than "full" 40K. All that changed with 40k 2nd edition and Epic 3rd edition

You sure about that? I seem to remember Epic being around mainly when chainswords had parry and you'd give your assault marines little hand flamers and swords / fist combos (this guy was MVP http://chaptermasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/img_9991.jpg ). That'ss gotta be second edition right? A fair bit after Rogue Trader. But I'm not entirely sure. It was just "40K" as far as I was concerned

1st edition Epic (aka Space Marine) came out in 1988, and 2nd edition 1991
40K didn't get a 2nd edition until 1993. So for two or three years it was all about Space Marine/Epic

 xttz wrote:
2nd edition 40k was 1993 to 1998. 2nd edition Epic ran from 1991 to 1997.

It overlapped a lot of other specialist games (although they weren't called that at the time) - including Necromunda, Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest. Epic was unique among them in that it received pretty much constant new releases up until it's 3rd edition, unlike most of those other games which often had under a year's worth of extra content following them.

Yeah I definitely wouldn't call SH and WHQ Specialist games (though as I've proven many times in this thread I'm old and my memories are corrupted).

On the whole "limited edition" Grandmaster Edition thing: Andy specifically said on the recent livestream that this is in part because they've never done a box set of this scale before, so they weren't sure how many copies to print. Once they see how well it's selling and how popular it is, they'll be able to print more copies, which means that the GME may be unavailable for a short period during that time.

He also stated when asked about vehicles and infantry that "many, many years down the line we could possibly expand the game to include these". Take that how you will, but to me it sounds like they currently have no plans to expand beyond Titans, but that they may be open to the possibility. I never played the original Epic, so personally I'm more than fine with it just being Titans of various sorts.

What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.

In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/05/

Pre-order nex week.

 Elbows wrote:
What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.

In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.

Well they have a hell of a lot of man hours in this I mean the lead designer left GW over 1 or 2 years ago after having worked on it for 18-24mths that's normally the time scale for major edition change of one of the core 2 systems.

The amount of plastic in the box set is also more than you would usually see in one of the core starters and would have tied up a significant production capacity.

Then there is a significant chunk of card board and a full ruleset included.

Basicly it would appear that this new ruleset is getting the push a major edition change for 40k would get, which is unheard of since GW's early days.

So still no news on pricing.

I reckon those 3 pack knights will be 30US$, they could easily made a 6 pack knight and sold for 35/40US$ like Blood Bowl/Necromunda.

Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.

At least you can try that day, im stuck at a festival and not sure i can get internet signal until the Monday, last year when at the festival i missed FW open day and this year its looking like AT GM box :(

And still no effing price!!!

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.

They clarified on Facebook that only the coins are limited to 1000, and that "The Grand Master edition will be part of our range of products, ...so will be available for some time."

edit: "This will be available both online and in Games Workshop and Warhammer stores, Edward, as well as independent stockists."

 Mr. Grey wrote:
On the whole "limited edition" Grandmaster Edition thing: Andy specifically said on the recent livestream that this is in part because they've never done a box set of this scale before, so they weren't sure how many copies to print. Once they see how well it's selling and how popular it is, they'll be able to print more copies, which means that the GME may be unavailable for a short period during that time.

Mmmm. Knight Renegade is literally unobtainable from third party retailers at this time (barely a month or two after release) and that was so obviously going to sell in spades, so IDK if that rings true. Yeah, he's saying this might be limited because it might under-sell. But a boxed set that was so clearly going to over-sell was also (effectively) limited. I'm not saying he's disingenuous, but I don't understand the GW logic the. But that's often the case :s


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 Original Timmy wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.

At least you can try that day, im stuck at a festival and not sure i can get internet signal until the Monday, last year when at the festival i missed FW open day and this year its looking like AT GM box :(

And still no effing price!!!

I shall be playing a tiny violin for you whilst you (hopefully) have a great time at your festival

The coins are what made me doubt the whole thing. It's not like GW did not do limited super-special editions in the past, far from it, but trying to bait sales with some low cost item that sounds like it was added in literally last seconds before launch? It feels like they are not sure it will sell for some really good reason, especially the whole info blackout, and are trying everything to avoid a flop...

Renegade is knocking on for a couple of years old.

I'd suggest they made a bunch to support the Knight Codex release, but as their production bottleneck is still ongoing it isn't a regular item on the schedule and won't be until their new space and machines are online.

Consequently I don't think it's a fair comparison to the launch of a new product which GW may be giving "new edition" levels of marketing.

Remember big boxed sets means a lot of money tied up in those boxes. It's not just production, but storage, shipping display, distribution etc.. All the costs go up as the box goes up in size and content. Plus there's not just all those costs but the expected and predicted profit and income to be generated by those sales within X amount of time.

Limiting the initial print run to a manageable figure means if it does badly GW isn't sitting there vastly out of pocket over the experience; with stock that is costing them every day to store and that isn't selling fast enough to cover those costs; it means they are not left with a failed launch.

Instead if the limit runs out they know to print more. Remember people can be all "I'll get a thousand!" before the release date; but until they actually spend their money you don't know what the public reaction will be.


IT might be that GW ends up hardly selling any and everyone gets individual boxes; if could be that they sell like hotcakes; or that only the boxed set sells or even that the entire range just fails to sell in suitable quantities.


Even in this thread many have said that if its over X price they won't get it - or at least means that they will need more marketing and convincing before they might purchase it






Asides which any production requires some variables and limits on the quantity. So there was always going to be a limited number made; esp right now when GW needs more production to meed demand.

 xttz wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hopefully they haven't underestimated demand for the game. Getting home from work to find the GM box is sold out would suck.

They clarified on Facebook that only the coins are limited to 1000, and that "The Grand Master edition will be part of our range of products, ...so will be available for some time."

edit: "This will be available both online and in Games Workshop and Warhammer stores, Edward, as well as independent stockists."

Thats pretty much what i was told at gw (Highgate in burnaby bc canada) that AT will be fully supported in store and it would be like blood bowl with leagues etc etc. He did say they would be getting in GME in store but he wouldn't say how many.

He didn't know me from a hole in the wall I just popped in to get the WD because it had AT in it.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Renegade is knocking on for a couple of years old.

I'd suggest they made a bunch to support the Knight Codex release, but as their production bottleneck is still ongoing it isn't a regular item on the schedule and won't be until their new space and machines are online.

Consequently I don't think it's a fair comparison to the launch of a new product which GW may be giving "new edition" levels of marketing.

Nah man, Renegade fro 2016 was entirely different. Knights weren't a thing, as far as armies go, and did it even include the warden sprue? It probably did. But it wasn't the same (I'll qualify my statement again - I've not been following the 40k scene for literally years, it's just this resurgence of titans and huge mechs that has brought me back. You may well be right, but from my perspective, they really screwed us on the latest KR release. I was intending to buy it, a month or two, after having been convinced that it was staying around for a good while. But now I'm having to buy individual Knights to convert into Wardens etc because the box is as rare as hen's teeth - just a half dozen weeks after release).