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Do we know how far behind the initial release of the starters the variant weapons will be?

And will they be 'bundled' in with the individual Warlords/Reavers/Warhounds or only available separately via FW?

I think we all need to take a deep breath and calm down. We don't know the prices yet.

The mere fact that preorder is 7 days away and no prices have been mentioned is a big red flag imo.

better mind the possibility it won't be pretty ... the price

The mere fact that preorder is 7 days away and no prices have been mentioned is a big red flag imo.

Agreed.

I think most of us wavering depending on Price are assuming the Big Box will also incorporate a decent discount on its contents over purchasing them separately. So saying just pick up the individual components we want isn't really the point. Its not that I can't spend $300. Its that if that is the price point of that box, then the corresponding price points for the individual components will also make them undesirable.

I think we all need to take a deep breath and calm down. We don't know the prices yet.

I don't believe anyone is panicking, or claiming the sky is falling. Just that there seems to be no pricing info, meaning GW is keeping quieter than usual on prices. That as someone else said before is a red flag, nothing more nothing less. Do we all hope it is much more affordable than some expectations, yes. Will we be surprised if its higher, no.

 Mysterio wrote:
Wouldn't shock me if it will be 3 Knights to a box, unfortunately!

Well it's been known since the FW Open day that this is how they will sell them...….

Remember, Soul Wars had no WD pricing and the best we got before a leak was it'll be similar to Dark Imperium....and it was the same.

Anyone saying this box can launch the game at $280/£180 is going to get a big shock if that happens. For a lot of people, myself and my friends included, the starter box is a good buy in to a system, you get a bunch of stuff - it might not always be all useful or used long term - at a decent discount which then justifies further purchases.

From WD article and Twitch on Thursday I think this game is going to be awesome but if barely anyone is playing then ….. why bother ?

My guess is we will get a leak on price monday/tuesday and a Warhammer Community article on Sunday, all ahead of the preorder 11th August.

Justyn wrote:
Just that there seems to be no pricing info, meaning GW is keeping quieter than usual on prices. That as someone else said before is a red flag, nothing more nothing less.

The only difference from normal is that prices aren't in WD. That means that GW had not yet decided what they wanted the final prices for this new range should be when this issue went to print back in April/May. The most likely explanation is that they were unsure on the sales forecasts and initial production batch sizes (or if there would be enough capacity to cover the production needed). These are much bigger factors in pricing than raw materials for GW.

However we should see product details go to 3rd-party retailers from this Monday, so not long to wait now.

a wild counter-rumour pops up
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2018/08/what-will-prices-be-for-adeptus.html

Eh its only based on two pulled ebay listings which could mean anything.

The reason people are concerned about the big-box pricetag is that it is what people will see in most stores. Even if everyone goes and buys the smaller rules box, etc...the "public face" of the game is whether or not those large starter boxes linger on shelves of retailers. If the "main" box lingers and doesn't sell, it's just a bad sign for the product.

Realistically with the heaps of 3rd party Epic/Titans stuff out there it's completely feasible people could use old or 3rd party models and download the rules off an illegal PDF, etc. Unfortunately GW needs to produce great looking models (which they have), and sell them at a price where people will buy in and not just say "piss off, I'll stick to my old toys".

The diehard fans will buy in regardless, but GW needs to win the people who are on the fence.

My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

I have no doubt this would be the most expensive box ever. But most value? Highly unlikely.

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.

Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only, they also said the GM box is a "1 and done job" ie no reprint. The reason they gave for the stores not getting any is that there will be so little stock that they could only get 1 copy per store, which could lead to scuffles over who buys it! i completely forgot to ask about the price i did ask about the release date but they didnt know(or willing to say, they do give normally me a heads up on interesting dates for store, ie Eisienhorn etc) the release date.

Now i run some numbers on the 20,000 copies worldwide rumour, according to the recently released GW profits there are 23 countries that they operate in with 489(iirc) stores, so...

20,000 ~ 23 = 869.56

If going by max copies possible per store and none online, there are 489 stores worldwide,

20,000 ~ 489 = 40.89

869 copies per country or 40 copies per store doesnt seem that many to me for a massive hyped up game, admittedly the prices will be available separately and some of those countries and stores have a smaller share of the market and will get less copies than countries and stores with a bigger market share.

I just hope its not going to be another "Armageddon" release that ran out in minutes iirc.

Remember this is not technically a starter set more of a boxed bundle.
There was no initial intention to make a starter set it was going to be a box with the rules and some buildings and the Titans separate.
It was only after people kicked up a fuss that a box set was planned.

I think if it is £150 we will be very lucky but more is possible.


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Remember this is not technically a starter set more of a boxed bundle.
There was no initial intention to make a starter set it was going to be a box with the rules and some buildings and the Titans separate.
It was only after people kicked up a fuss that a box set was planned.

I think if it is £150 we will be very lucky but more is possible.

 Original Timmy wrote:
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...

Wasn't this rumor already debunked?

 Mysterio wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...

Wasn't this rumor already debunked?

Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers

 clodax66 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.

I was never in a gaming club, and had no access to sales info, but whenever I watched or participated in an in-store game, it was 40k, WFB, Necro, BB, and very rarely, Epic. I suspected it was partly because of the minis (some were too large, and very many were too small, for a beginner to get to grips with - much easier to paint a marine than a Gargant or a stand of 8mm Infantry), and partly because of the rules. 40k, WFB, Necro, Mordheim, they all had certain commonalities. Epic seemed to be something different entirely.

 xttz wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...

Wasn't this rumor already debunked?

Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers

If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/

Sounds like that Games Workshop store manager needs to watch Warhammer TV as he'd be better informed.

3rd party retailers are getting demo copies which hardly screams super limited and instead supports what was said on WTV.

 Original Timmy wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...

Wasn't this rumor already debunked?

Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers

If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/

It turns out “provably not an idiot” isn’t actually on the list of qualifications for GW store staff so they are just as prone to variations in that quality as the general population.

Also, people are extremely bad at listening – inserting their own inventions to cover bits they misheard or didn’t understand, rather than seeking clarification – and repeat what they think they heard rather than what they were actually told. Did you ever play “Chinese whispers” in school?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...

Wasn't this rumor already debunked?

Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers

If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/

It turns out “provably not an idiot” isn’t actually on the list of qualifications for GW store staff so they are just as prone to variations in that quality as the general population.

Also, people are extremely bad at listening – inserting their own inventions to cover bits they misheard or didn’t understand, rather than seeking clarification – and repeat what they think they heard rather than what they were actually told. Did you ever play “Chinese whispers” in school?

Yeah i get what your saying, well its their loss if they are telling customers that!

 Original Timmy wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Well take this with a bit of salt, i spoke with my local GW manager this afternoon and they informed me after attending last weeks managers meeting they were told that stores will not be getting any copies and it will be online only...

Wasn't this rumor already debunked?

Yes, by White Dwarf. Only the low volume stuff like extra command terminals and cards are direct-only. Everything else can be in stores including 3rd party retailers

If thats the case, it seems a bit pointless to tell a customer that its online only when the sale of it would go a long way to the stores weekly/monthly targets :/

Yet another reminder that GW store staff have no inside knowledge on upcoming releases and tend to be as useful as BoLS when they claim to.

Looking over at the Bolter and Chainsword it seems that multiple GW store managers have said they won't have any copies due to the high price and shelf space, although one said they would. So it seems that this might vary from store to store.

Are they referring to demo copies rather than regular stock, maybe?

Cyrixiinus wrote:
Looking over at the Bolter and Chainsword it seems that multiple GW store managers have said they won't have any copies due to the high price and shelf space, although one said they would. So it seems that this might vary from store to store.

I don't believe GW store employees actually get to make any calls about what they stock and keep on their shelves, and they're notoriously unreliable for rumors...

I was also told yesterday by GW staff that the store wouldn't be getting any stock. And that pre-orders go up on the site on 11th August.
The other news was the Grand Master Edition big box would be a very limited run (like Space Hulk was) so basically be on the GW site 10am next Saturday or you'll lose out

Sounds like that could all be a load of BS, I don't really know. Just thought I'd share was I was told

I'm sure GW store managers get some say in what they do and don't stock at least with regard to serving their local customerbase; however I do agree that they likely don't make the full call on everything and are required to keep a representative amount of all the GW lines on their shelves.

That said they've only X amount of space and they already only stock 100% GW stock so its not as if they are juggling other brands.

There might also be some store variation at the international level. The UK stores might be getting different stock into to other territories; plus it might just be that GW is only rolling it out to select stores - eg potentaillly stores that show high turn-over of high value purchases in their history (ergo stores that show they've got customers who can and will pay hundreds at a time for purchases )

I find all these rumours very strange. In white dwarf there is a picture of command terminal packs, and weapon card pack. Each of these has a little Web exclusive sticker in the corner. The picture of the grand master edition does not have this sticker. In the recent interview on warhammer live Andy Hoare said the terminal packs would be Web exclusive but also made no mention of the grand master edition being Web exclusive.
It is possible that managers of smaller stores are being given the choice of whether to carry it or not. My local store is basically a large cupboard.

 clodax66 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Elbows wrote:


My "guess" is that it'll actually be $195 USD. At this point I'm not even planning to get into the game, so it's not a huge deal to me, but I think sub-$200 is necessary to even get a glance from the large amount of people who've never played AT/Epic, etc. and are modern 40K players. Not everyone is going to be buying off nostalgia.

And Epic was never really all that popular anyway from what I remember. IIRC it was a "Main" product line, but several of the specialist games were vastly more well liked.

back in 90's epic was the best selling GW game line where I lived. My local store had more space allocated to it then 40k and fantasy battles combined. This was back during 1st edition and 2nd edition of epic. The store owner told me it was the his best seller. When 3rd edition came out most of the people I knew stoped playing epic because they hate it 3rd edition.

I agree. Space Marine aka Epic nowadays was the craze in the 90s. Much more popular than 40K. You could field Titans, whole companies of tanks & infantry and even flyers. Imo it was the best time for GW wargaming.