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 Elbows wrote:
My buddies and I were talking, and we agreed that if it - for some reason - is actually nearly $280 for the starter box, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Poor sales numbers will then send the incorrect message that people aren't interested in AT or specialist games, etc. I really hope that's not the case. My group has also avoided Necromunda entirely (well, only twelve of us in our small group) because of the poor release schedule/design choices. I sometimes feel GW is intentionally making bizarre and poor choices on the specialist games side in order to justify future decisions.

So, I'd love to be wrong. Given the contents of the box shown, I'd be unwilling to entertain anything over $200 for it. When a Knight Renegade box comes in around $160 for an equal amount of plastic, it's just unthinkable.

near 300 dollars for the starter set will be partiucklarly bad yeah, the over all result of that is likely to be "I'm gonna go play Battletech"

Frankly if this exceeds the cost of Knight Renegade I'd be very surprised. That seems to be the break point around here. And once a couple people decide not to bother it snowballs. After all no one wants to be the guy trying to drum up players for the stupidly over priced game when you can get your giant robot fun in with Battletech or 40k.

I dunno about the prices and all that, but I've just sat down and read about the mechanics in White Dwarf and I am ALL THE HYPED!

The terminals look complicated but they lay it all out and it makes much more sense now. Movement and facing is super important, which I love, same with activation order.

I liked that there isn't old school 40k armour facings, but you get a strength bonus when hitting from behind so there is a good bonus to outflanking the enemy.

I might skip the big box because I don't think I'll need 2 warlords with the same armaments, or 2 banners of knights, but I'm still keen to leap right on this at launch.


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I also can't help but notice they call it 'Adeptus Titanicus: The Horus Heresy'.

Makes me think of Shadespire, which GW had to remind people recently is actually called Warhammer Underworlds: Sadespire, because there seems to be an expansion in the works going somewhere that isn't the city of Shadespire.

With the naming convention I think the door is open in a couple of years for Adeptus Titanicus: Xeno or something.

 Elbows wrote:
My buddies and I were talking, and we agreed that if it - for some reason - is actually nearly $280 for the starter box, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Poor sales numbers will then send the incorrect message that people aren't interested in AT or specialist games, etc. I really hope that's not the case. My group has also avoided Necromunda entirely (well, only twelve of us in our small group) because of the poor release schedule/design choices. I sometimes feel GW is intentionally making bizarre and poor choices on the specialist games side in order to justify future decisions.

So, I'd love to be wrong. Given the contents of the box shown, I'd be unwilling to entertain anything over $200 for it. When a Knight Renegade box comes in around $160 for an equal amount of plastic, it's just unthinkable.

It is quite a bit more plastic than the Renegade box and it contains full rules for the game.
I do agree that the rumoured price is pretty expensive. With the kind of discounts that independent shops provide, it will probably come in at about $240, which is still a lot of money.
It seems that specialist games are limiting themselves to about a 25% discount over individual prices, (bloodbowl and Necromunda are both at about this level of discount) while the Citadel starter sets are usually about a 50% discount.
Assuming the individual prices are as I said a 50% would put the price at $190 which would be a much more palatable price for the big box.

I think if it clears $200 it's going to be a hard sell to get a community going on it. That sends a message that the actual titans are going to be priced insane. And this is after they just released the two arminger boxset for $75 which was a solid price point. I'm hoping we're looking at this spread for maximum pricing;

Warlord - $80
Reaver - $60
2 Warhounds - $60
3 Knights - $40-$50

I feel much higher than that and there will be zero momentum on this. Then I could see this being a $195 price point. I think clearing $200 is a mistake for it but if it can still be gotten at a discount under $200 then it could still work (i.e. around $235).

I don't mind the price, what boggle my mind is GW's decision to not include any weapons option for launch day kit. Who thought this was a good idea? If cost was an issue then reduce the scale.

Chopstick wrote:
I don't mind the price, what boggle my mind is GW's decision to not include any weapons option for launch day kit. Who thought this was a good idea? If cost was an issue then reduce the scale.

The scale was chosen to futuer proof the models for IF epic ever bacsme a thing again. (8mm high is the size they said different marks of astartes armor could still look different. It makes me hopeful that regular humans are around 6 mm tall)

JWBS wrote:
Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.

Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.

Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.

So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26570-40K-Expansions-Card-Buildings

USD $180 is pretty much my limit - and with that being something I'd have to pick up as a Christmas present to myself or somesuch.

I've got enough talent to make my own terrain, so whatever the price, I think I'll be skipping the GM box and just picking up the rules (mayhaps digitally this time around, if they're cheaper than a printed copy) a Warlord, couple of Reavers and few Warhounds as they come out. I'll only plan to get the Knights if they turn out to be larger than SM figures - around Dreadnought size or bigger. Spreading out the purchases should help reduce the strain on my wallet as well.

Do we know when preorders go live?

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
Do we know when preorders go live?

10 am local time on Saturday for your region’s server.
Unless you meant for AT specifically; then no announcement has been made, but it’s almost certainly after Warhammer Fest Europe on the 18th-19th. And the 25th is the last weekend in August so then, probably. Which is great; pay day weekend!

If pre orders went live on the 25th then it technically wouldn't release in august as the following sat is the 1st of september. They specifically said numerous times it would be 100% out during the month of august, so i'm thinking pre orders on the 18th. Or pre orders on the 11th next weekend and a 2 week period afterwards before it releases which they sometimes do for big box releases.

JWBS wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.

Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.

So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26570-40K-Expansions-Card-Buildings

The terrain is plastic. The command terminals are cardstock and there is a bunch of those in the set, which take money in the same sense that a properly made boardgame costs money.

There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.

The rumors have been all over the map.

 schoon wrote:
There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.

The rumors have been all over the map.

But I want to tell everyone about how if the game is over a certain amount then I won't be buying it. I'm sure they're all super excited to know about my spending habits and I wouldn't want to leave them hanging.

 Zethnar wrote:

 schoon wrote:
There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.

The rumors have been all over the map.

But I want to tell everyone about how if the game is over a certain amount then I won't be buying it. I'm sure they're all super excited to know about my spending habits and I wouldn't want to leave them hanging.

but how do we know that is true! Once out - once released your current bold stance might waver; your resolve weaken and before you know it you're buying two!

JWBS wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.

Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.

So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26570-40K-Expansions-Card-Buildings

The economics of card vs. plastic scale differently. Plastic gets cheaper as you make more, cardstock doesn't especially. If you're expecting low volume then cardstock makes sense.

My point about the cardstock is ignoring it to count sprues will lead to very wonky result as it is a non-trivial component of the cost.

I'm curious to see if the titan models come with command tiles or if you buy those separately? If they come in the box then it'll be a fairly significant price bump for people that just want the models.


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 Overread wrote:

 Zethnar wrote:

 schoon wrote:
There's not to much point in speculating on the price till the pre-order date.

The rumors have been all over the map.

But I want to tell everyone about how if the game is over a certain amount then I won't be buying it. I'm sure they're all super excited to know about my spending habits and I wouldn't want to leave them hanging.

but how do we know that is true! Once out - once released your current bold stance might waver; your resolve weaken and before you know it you're buying two!

Just recall a certain prominent dakkadakka member who spent a year gakking up every 40K thread with how he was boycotting GW whilst continuing to buy everything new that came out...

 Scott-S6 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

The number of sprues isn't especially relevant. The number of unique new sprues is more important and the volume they expect to sell is the biggest factor.

Also worth noting that cardstock is really expensive so there is a big cost in the command tiles and tokens (and in the necromunda tiles) which you should consider when comparing boxes.

So why not just stick to plastic terrain? I'd argue the only advantage that card has is the lack of painting required. Their recent plastics, even their older ones, look great (though I've never seen one in the flesh). I did buy a couple of the card 40k buildings in the 90s (Bastion, Firebase etc) and they were ok for the time, but certainly inferior to the modern plastics IMO.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26570-40K-Expansions-Card-Buildings

The economics of card vs. plastic scale differently. Plastic gets cheaper as you make more, cardstock doesn't especially. If you're expecting low volume then cardstock makes sense.

My point about the cardstock is ignoring it to count sprues will lead to very wonky result as it is a non-trivial component of the cost.

I'm curious to see if the titan models come with command tiles or if you buy those separately? If they come in the box then it'll be a fairly significant price bump for people that just want the models.

We already know the terminal packs will be sold separately; the GM box just happens to have two for each major Titan class.

Nopes no one in particular - but its very common that a high (or guessed at high) release price on a new product can put the wind up a lot of people and they put up a lot of justification for why they won't or cant afford it.

Then once its out and a few weeks down the line or months or even hours for some; their opinion changes. The product is no longer a maybe but a certain real thing.

 Silentz wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:
I'd suggest these kits for terrain,
https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/product-category/terrain/troublemaker-games/

But then again, I would. :-)

I like the Industrial Sector Buildings. They remind me of the original foam office blocks that came with Adeptus Titanicus.

Are you saying these are the right scale for AT?

I suppose with every edge being 50mm then... one of the new Knight models would be able to see over 1 'cube' but not 2 stacked?

Yes, I'm quite sure they'd be an appropriate scale for AT.

Just judging by eye, one level would block LOS for a Knight, two levels would block a Warhound/Reaver (and maybe a Warlord's arms? Is that kind of partial blocking in the rules?), and three levels would block a warlord entirely.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

We already know the terminal packs will be sold separately; the GM box just happens to have two for each major Titan class.

We know that you can buy them separately but do we know that they don't also come with models? Given that the terminal packs are online only that would seem a little weird.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I think if it clears $200 it's going to be a hard sell to get a community going on it. That sends a message that the actual titans are going to be priced insane. And this is after they just released the two arminger boxset for $75 which was a solid price point. I'm hoping we're looking at this spread for maximum pricing;

Warlord - $80
Reaver - $60
2 Warhounds - $60
3 Knights - $40-$50

I feel much higher than that and there will be zero momentum on this. Then I could see this being a $195 price point. I think clearing $200 is a mistake for it but if it can still be gotten at a discount under $200 then it could still work (i.e. around $235).

Excessive. Knights are only as big as regular 28mm sale Marines, so for 10 I would expect to pay £18. For two Warhounds or one Reaver £30 and for a Warlord £40 to £50. Its got to be reasonably priced or it will not be worth buying into.

Excessive. Knights are only as big as regular 28mm sale Marines, so for 10 I would expect to pay £18. For two Warhounds or one Reaver £30 and for a Warlord £40 to £50. Its got to be reasonably priced or it will not be worth buying into.

I fully expect them to cost exactly the same as Custodes Terminators. $50 US or 30 Pounds. Not saying I think its a good price. Just saying that is my expectation.

The knights are a whopping 21 bits per model though, so vastly more detailed than a regular marine. Also, more the size of a Terminator, and at least as wide as one.

There are likely to be six in a box. They might go as low as 25£, but I would be (happily) surprised to see them go lower. More likely price point is 30-35£, given the design time and level of detail.

To all those balking at the suspected price of the "big box", remember that you don't have to buy that.

The models and card/rules will be available as separate packages. Don't need something in the big box then buying individual bits will be the more cost effective way to go.

You can also cut out the expensive GW terrain and buy cheap-o stuff from a model railroad seller if you want. N-Gauge seems to be the closest and it's really common so there's that.

I'm not white knighting for GW here, I'm just saying there are alternatives to deciding whether to buy plastic toys or make your car payment.

 Breotan wrote:
To all those balking at the suspected price of the "big box", remember that you don't have to buy that.

The models and card/rules will be available as separate packages. Don't need something in the big box then buying individual bits will be the more cost effective way to go.

You can also cut out the expensive GW terrain and buy cheap-o stuff from a model railroad seller if you want. N-Gauge seems to be the closest and it's really common so there's that.

I'm not white knighting for GW here, I'm just saying there are alternatives to deciding whether to buy plastic toys or make your car payment.

All good points. Still disappointed that the initial outlay expense may mean a DoA game. I was one of the many who would have gladly laid down the $180-$195 that was the initial estimated cost, but if the $280 price point is closer to being accurate. I'll probably end up purchasing perhaps a single Warlord/Reaver/Warhound for use with my Net Epic army and that'll be it.

It is interesting to note that even at the conjectured price point of $80/warlord, that's still FAR cheaper than the forumware Warlord that is floating around in certain places.

Wouldn't shock me if it will be 3 Knights to a box, unfortunately!

For me it's that the big box gives us a likely price point for the individual models. And if the box is nuts then the individual models will be nuts and it'll be hard to build a community.

 Breotan wrote:
To all those balking at the suspected price of the "big box", remember that you don't have to buy that.

The models and card/rules will be available as separate packages. Don't need something in the big box then buying individual bits will be the more cost effective way to go.

You can also cut out the expensive GW terrain and buy cheap-o stuff from a model railroad seller if you want. N-Gauge seems to be the closest and it's really common so there's that.

I'm not white knighting for GW here, I'm just saying there are alternatives to deciding whether to buy plastic toys or make your car payment.

Right. If you don’t like the prices, you don’t like the prices.

But the big box isn’t a must. In fact, it probably doesn’t make sense for a lot of people given that Reavers and Warhounds will make up the bulk of most maniples. It’s more of a split-the-box-with-a-friend proposition, or for people who know they want to collect two legios.