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I'm betting it won't be far from this, unless GW throws the baby out with the bathwater.

http://adam77.github.io/snapfire/war/index.html

 vadersson wrote:
All the detachment data was listed as “up to”. I wonder if that means detachments are expandable, like you can have 2, 4, or 6 of a unit in a detachment.

I'm betting they have learned a thing or two from Titanicus Knight banners - you buy a minimum and then can add on additional units.

...and I'm also waiting for the set(s) of Army Builder cards, especially given the card sets we're seeing for 40K right now.

Army Builder cards, oh goody, more stuff for them to print incorrectly or just invalidate a week after launch with errata.

what would be ideal is GW doing something like Catalyst have done with Battletech Alpha Strike where you can get the cards for anything from their site to download in printer friendly format

Thanks to all who posted lovely pictures of Epic terrain! You've talked me down from buying four sets of tiles to cover the entire table with them.

leopard wrote:
...what would be ideal is GW doing something like Catalyst have done with Battletech Alpha Strike where you can get the cards for anything from their site to download in printer friendly format

GW did do this with Titanicus after the Command Terminals (needed for the game) started going out of print.

We'll just have to see how they treat LI...

MrHobbles wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Quite surprised at some of the reactions to the tiles and that having to make a 6 x 4 board using only those would put you off playing the New Epic.

You don't have to do anything like that. In fact, I think the battlefield looks better at this scale having a mix of natural surfaces and built up areas. That way you can have distinct city zones, industrial areas, but also forests, rivers, outposts and things of that nature.

I agree with this. I quite frequently think about Carl Woodrows Epic scale Realm of Battle board, which utilised the Epic Forge World range to great effect, including the roads. Shows that you don't need to entirely cover your board with one type of terrain.

I've attached a picture of his board.

These have transition pieces. New tiles presumably don't.

I would posit that to anyone with the hobby skill and supplies required to actually nicely transition the plastic road tiles into a more natural foundation the plastic tiles would be unnecessary.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


These have transition pieces. New tiles presumably don't.

I would posit that to anyone with the hobby skill and supplies required to actually nicely transition the plastic road tiles into a more natural foundation the plastic tiles would be unnecessary.

Of course it's an exceptionally well made and beautiful gaming board, and not all of us have the skills to make something like that with these tiles, but regardless, the point remains as an example. The whole board does not need to be an urban built up area.

"Exceptionally well made", good lord.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Because this is doing my head in due to a family history of dementia, I’m gonna to have to check my cards when I get in. I swear Super Heavies (outside of Titan Legions, which I don’t currently own) were Detachments of 1, Companies of 3. And I want to rule out the cards you sourced aren’t fan created, making us both right!

You are entirely correct, can still picture buying the Armies of the Imperium card box from Wonderworld hobbies in Bournemouth.

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Terrain-wise, historically in the GW books themselves and the WD battle reports it was almost always a mix of grassland and city areas. You could then end up with a bit of a better tactical description of land speeders skirting woods or units claiming an objective on a hill top.

Obviously now though GW has those tiles to sell, and so I suspect all of the battlefield studio shots we see will be of a city fight-type battlefield.

 Pacific wrote:

Obviously now though GW has those tiles to sell, and so I suspect all of the battlefield studio shots we see will be of a city fight-type battlefield.

It has more to do with selling their city terrain boxes. Sure, you can mix them with grassland terrain, but let's be honest : modern cities don't just have roads ending in wilderland, not even talking about futuristic ones meant to be huge megalopolises spreading on whole continents.

Also makes sense that cities are more strategic points to capture in a war rather than wilderlands with a few buildings here and there. Especially for Epic scale armies.

 Laemos wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:


I hope I was not only one to notice Arvus?

Sadly looks identical to the resin version to me

It probably is the resin version. Not everything is going to plastic right away. I believe most is just repackaged for now. The good thing is that there is no odd looking flight stand extension.

I’m pretty sure the flight stand extension is specifically part of the Thunderhawk kit to allow other planes to stand near it because it’s so big.

MrHobbles wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Quite surprised at some of the reactions to the tiles and that having to make a 6 x 4 board using only those would put you off playing the New Epic.

You don't have to do anything like that. In fact, I think the battlefield looks better at this scale having a mix of natural surfaces and built up areas. That way you can have distinct city zones, industrial areas, but also forests, rivers, outposts and things of that nature.

I agree with this. I quite frequently think about Carl Woodrows Epic scale Realm of Battle board, which utilised the Epic Forge World range to great effect, including the roads. Shows that you don't need to entirely cover your board with one type of terrain.

I've attached a picture of his board.

Yeah, this looks a bit like what I have in mind for my terrain.. RoB + scatter terrain in the form of buildings etc. I do want some of those modular buildings though, since they can be "destroyed", always dreamed about having something like that in ye olde days..

Size comparisons from WarCom.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Size comparisons from WarCom.

Spoiler:

Sigh... time to mute this thread for the next couple pages of scale discussion, i guess...

IMHO it's not too bad, the tanks are a lot more massive in side-by-side comparison, but i think it will not be too apparent on the actual tabletop unless you put them literally next to each other. The titans are another affair, but then the old metal ones have been universally panned for being wildly out of scale and much too small even if you take the lower-end estimates from the background as their canon size, so the new ones are more suitable in my opinion.

Nice to see the lineage of the line. I see they've found some of those ancient models in storage and dug them out for a nice photo. I remember seeing those appearing in books and articles back in the day...

Edit: The old metal Leman Russ they pictured is an unreleased piece that had stowage sculpted on. The two Leman Russ's they said are in plastic are actually resin FW pieces...

For vehicles it only really seems to get very noticeable at the super-heavy category, and even then mounting them on a base to increase the footprint and the height could solve that.

 zedmeister wrote:
The two Leman Russ's they said are in plastic are actually resin FW pieces...

Well they did say they think they are plastic

I'd play against anyone using the old models, but on the condition that they have to declare their forces as Space Hobbits!

Mismatched forces are going to look pretty awkward.

For vehicles and titans the upscale is definitely worth it but new infantry looks worse to me than the little ancient blobs, it's lanky and weirdly posed (just look at the frontmost Cataphractii in the classic "I need to pee" anime pose). Strips of five also look waaay better than round bases here.

So infantry wise I think it's fair to say the new game is, in fact, 8mm and not 6mm. Unless I missed a lore snippet about the height/size of solar auxilia, they should be the height of the average human, and they appear about 2mm taller than what should be 6mm troops from the old game. The non superheavy vehicles are also scaling out about 30% larger than the originals which fits the pattern.

I have no dog in the race, up until now I've been in the 6mm camp as the rationale that an 8mm tall space marine meant 6mm scale made sense, but everything is clearly larger, so either old epic wasn't really 6mm or this is at a larger scale. Those space marines are also almost assuredly taller than 8mm themselves, which makes me wonder if titans a d such aren't actually slightly off scale.

I'm sure there's some folks really invested in the game continuing to be 6mm for whatever reason that want to continue the debate, share me - I don't care abd you won't change my mind unless you get your hands on a mini and run it through some calipers that show solar auxilia standing 6mm tall.

 Matrindur wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
The two Leman Russ's they said are in plastic are actually resin FW pieces...

Well they did say they think they are plastic

They also called the Stormblade a Shadowsword.

Ignoring the scale thing: are those Charonite Ogryns entirely new? Or is this just the first time we’ve seen them zoomed in lie that?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
The two Leman Russ's they said are in plastic are actually resin FW pieces...

Well they did say they think they are plastic

They also called the Stormblade a Shadowsword.

Nah, that’s just what the shadow sword looked like back then, I’m pretty sure. It’s got the same elongated barrel in the fixed mount with the midpoint support/stabiliser.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Ignoring the scale thing: are those Charonite Ogryns entirely new? Or is this just the first time we’ve seen them zoomed in lie that?

Nope, they were in the big army picture, in the back by the sentinels.

Nathinho wrote:
I'd play against anyone using the old models, but on the condition that they have to declare their forces as Space Hobbits!

Nice. That's not passive aggressive at all

Personally I don't really see a problem with anything but the titans, which always were entirely too small.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
The two Leman Russ's they said are in plastic are actually resin FW pieces...

Well they did say they think they are plastic

They also called the Stormblade a Shadowsword.

It's a sloppy article all around

Mr_Rose wrote:Ignoring the scale thing: are those Charonite Ogryns entirely new? Or is this just the first time we’ve seen them zoomed in lie that?

The Charonites are in the starter box and have been shown several times before. Also, the comparison with 'normal' Ogryns is a bit disingenious, the FW charonites are huge and much larger than 28mm-scale Ogryns:

 Albertorius wrote:

Nathinho wrote:
I'd play against anyone using the old models, but on the condition that they have to declare their forces as Space Hobbits!

Nice. That's not passive aggressive at all

Personally I don't really see a problem with anything but the titans, which always were entirely too small.

The only problem I see that will occur will be hiding vehicles in cover. Smaller vehicles will be easier to hide. Apart from that, there shouldn't be too many other problems, though I do think the size difference will be very noticeable (a lot more than people think). But if the game allows people to use their old models then that's good for everyone, as those of starting from scratch will have ready made opponents.

Ok yeah those guys are huge. No wonder they make the previous gen of epics look like they weren’t trying. That said, aren’t they ‘borged and ‘roided out the wazoo?

Anyway, is it just me or is the pace of LI articles picking up? Like I wouldn’t be that surprised anymore if the preorder date was the fifth of August, now.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Ignoring the scale thing: are those Charonite Ogryns entirely new? Or is this just the first time we’ve seen them zoomed in lie that?

Nope, they were in the big army picture, in the back by the sentinels.

GW using older resin and/or 3d printed for pictures is hardly a new thing

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Ok yeah those guys are huge. No wonder they make the previous gen of epics look like they weren’t trying. That said, aren’t they ‘borged and ‘roided out the wazoo?

Anyway, is it just me or is the pace of LI articles picking up? Like I wouldn’t be that surprised anymore if the preorder date was the fifth of August, now.

The Charonite ogryn is standing on some rubble, and wearing a bulky pressure suit as well, so is not really that much bigger than the plastic ogryn.