evil sisters of battle ???

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**Anadaroo**

i have bin wundering ...

... wether there has ever been a recorded case of a section of the SoB going bad ??? ... i.e. turning to chaos ?

not only do i think it wud be a great opertunity for modeling ... but i also think that slaaneshi SoB would be vair kinky ... : P

**whatwhat**

Yeh, thats completely possible. Many radical inquisitors have went too far in their methods and turned to chaos. Can't see, when ][ and sob have a similar cause, they couldn't do the same.

as for an actual bit of published fluff about it i'm not sure.

**Vengeance**

No I don't think the SoB can go Chaos, because they take numbers of purity checks (along with Inquistorial Stormtroopers) and they are dedicated to spreading the holiness of the emperor around. They are like Crusader Knights during the Crusades fighting for God. They are utterly loyal to the Emperor and would die to defend him and his realm, the ultimate incorruptable force. Inquistors I suppose could go bad but I don't think they really would go so far to join Chaos to defeat Chaos so I doubt it.

HOWEVER the Ecclesiarchy did cause alot of fighting in which many people parished at their hands, check some witch hunter fluff if you want to know more about that but as for Chaos Sisters I doubt it fluff wise.

**whatwhat**

Vengeance wrote:Inquistors I suppose could go bad but I don't think they really would go so far to join Chaos to defeat Chaos so I doubt it.

Plenty have. Quixos for example.

Just because there the Ecclesiarchy doesn't mean the sob are the most "incorruptible force." Thats what they say about the luna wolves and the space marines in the horus heresy books.

Check out the redeemer for example and other redemptionist, thats part of the ecclesiarchy. Their insane!

**Vengeance**

whatwhat wrote:
Vengeance wrote:Inquistors I suppose could go bad but I don't think they really would go so far to join Chaos to defeat Chaos so I doubt it.

Plenty have. Quixos for example.

Just because there the Ecclesiarchy doesn't mean the sob are the most "incorruptible force." Thats what they say about the luna wolves and the space marines in the horus heresy books.

Check out the redeemer for example and other redemptionist, thats part of the ecclesiarchy. Their insane!

Yeah but those are Space Marines, an elite fighting force for the Emperor. They are used to fight in combat and war, not to seek out heretics and kill them. The Inquisition specializes in rooting out and stoppind Chaos and knows how to deal with it more then any other force does. There was no real knowledge of Chaos before the Horus Heresy and the Space Marines now are dedicated to the Emperor so their is a less chance they would turn traitor, however the Inquisition defends the Imperium from Chaos worship so I don't think an army of warrior nuns are going to fall prey to Chaos as easily as Space Marines. It's like trying to get a dedicated Pastor or Priest turn to Satanism. It possibly could happen very rarely but could it happen to a degree of an army not realistically.

**whatwhat**

Yeh just looked into it ur right, but found this on lexicanum.

from the Codex: Sisters of Battle 2 edition: "A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors."

So they must be fairly hard to crack like you say.

There's your record though andaroo. You thinking of doing the modeling like you say or just theorising?

**Anadaroo**

wow thanks ... n nah ... just contemplating on what kud make sisters of battle sexyer ... P :

**whatwhat**

u should do it man, make one from a deamonette. wld be sweet.

**ArbitorIan**

whatwhat wrote:
Vengeance wrote:Inquistors I suppose could go bad but I don't think they really would go so far to join Chaos to defeat Chaos so I doubt it.

Plenty have. Quixos for example.

Just because there the Ecclesiarchy doesn't mean the sob are the most "incorruptible force." Thats what they say about the luna wolves and the space marines in the horus heresy books.

Check out the redeemer for example and other redemptionist, thats part of the ecclesiarchy. Their insane!

But the important thing about 'radical' inquisitors is that they HAVEN'T 'defected' to chaos. As far as they're concerned, they're still fighting for humanity, they're just using the enemy's weapons' against them. They are branded as radical by the puritan inquisition, but they're still loyal to the emporer...

I suppose it's concievable that a band of Sisters would have followed a radical inquisitor into unknowing damnation, even if they don't realise it.

**Nofasse 'Eadhunta**

If dudes in huge armor can go evil, then girls in huge armor probably could go evil.

**Pariah Press**

I'm pretty sure that I read a story in Inferno wherein both a Sister of Battle and an Ultramarine turned to Chaos.

**whatwhat**

ArbitorIan wrote:
whatwhat wrote:
Vengeance wrote:Inquistors I suppose could go bad but I don't think they really would go so far to join Chaos to defeat Chaos so I doubt it.

Plenty have. Quixos for example.

Just because there the Ecclesiarchy doesn't mean the sob are the most "incorruptible force." Thats what they say about the luna wolves and the space marines in the horus heresy books.

Check out the redeemer for example and other redemptionist, thats part of the ecclesiarchy. Their insane!

But the important thing about 'radical' inquisitors is that they HAVEN'T 'defected' to chaos. As far as they're concerned, they're still fighting for humanity, they're just using the enemy's weapons' against them. They are branded as radical by the puritan inquisition, but they're still loyal to the emporer...

Read the eisenhorn trillogy. Quixos defected to chaos. As have many others. I'm not talking about radical inquisitors, although that's usually the 'step up drug.'

**HellsGuardian316**

Also, in reference to there only being record of one Sister of Battle going evil doesn't mean that others haven't and the records of it being "lost" or "removed by the inquistion" as precedent in Space Marine culture

Think about, Inquistion removed lots of information in regards to the marines falling to chaos and other heretic uprisings on imperial worlds, no reason that SOB don't have the same, the fact that they are much more watched and controlled by the Ecclesiarchy makes it that much easier to hide if/when it did happen.

You can write out fluff to represent that. Hmmm, kinky SOB using demonettes??? pics please (grins geekily)

**PanzerSmurf**

Hehehe, you could call them the "sistah" of pleasure

**Kilkrazy**

whatwhat wrote:Yeh just looked into it ur right, but found this on lexicanum.

from the Codex: Sisters of Battle 2 edition: "A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors."

So they must be fairly hard to crack like you say.

There's your record though andaroo. You thinking of doing the modeling like you say or just theorising?

That's your in. Have a prioress or whatever they are called turn to Chaos, gradually seduce the rest of her Nunnery, and you end up with a fantastic force of Chaos Battle Bitches™.

**M_Stress**

"They are like Crusader Knights during the Crusades fighting for God"

Then just for that reason, Yes, Sister of battle could go evil.
Some crusader were pious warrior, some were...
less. yeah, less pious.

To say the least.

**Vengeance**

it just dosen't seem realistic to me, you would have to be quite clever to work it in.

P.S. The Crusader knights were the good guys and weren't evil at all. The only ones I can think of and you probably are thinking of are the Knight's Templar. Which I think should be recommended for this army. Read up more on the knights, all I know is how they died

**1hadhq**

I'm pretty sure that I read a story in Inferno wherein both a Sister of Battle and an Ultramarine turned to Chaos.

Maybe the story when a UM turned to chaos,but when he was at the final kill (sister) he realized his duty and nuked the Demon.?

If dudes in huge armor can go evil, then girls in huge armor probably could go evil.

The CSM were turned by officers and PRIMARCHS,something the sisters never had.
And sisters generate faith points,so I think they are too fanatic to turn.SM Legions were purely "faithfree",because rationalism was
the credo of the crusade.No faith,no defence against false "gods".

Just because there the Ecclesiarchy doesn't mean the sob are the most "incorruptible force." Thats what they say about the luna wolves and the space marines in the horus heresy books.

Before HH,SM were seen as Incorruptable.Lorgar proved everyone wrong.
But SOB are after-Heresy founded. It's not uncommon to upgrade newer forces to resist weaknesses.

**Doctor Thunder**

1hadhq wrote:
And sisters generate faith points, so I think they are too fanatic to turn.

Of course Sisters can turn, the circumstances would have to be extreme, but 40K is full of extremes, so that's not too hard to justify.

Anadaroo, Here is a really good chaos sisters army someone made a while back (not safe for work)

http://www.coolminiornot.com/104532

**Anadaroo**

f#####g hell their hawt ... *drools* ... thanks !!!

**Kilkrazy**

The point of a narrative game is that you can justify nearly anything if you can think of a half-decent excuse.

**1hadhq**

Doctor Thunder wrote:
1hadhq wrote:
And sisters generate faith points, so I think they are too fanatic to turn.

Of course Sisters can turn, the circumstances would have to be extreme, but 40K is full of extremes, so that's not too hard to justify.

Anadaroo, Here is a really good chaos sisters army someone made a while back (not safe for work)

http://www.coolminiornot.com/104532

nice paintjob.
But not canon. so I have to disagree for "official"GW fluff-legal.

At your opponents consent,there is "anything goes".

**The Thousandth Son**

I think Chaos Sisters of Battle would be badass, who's to say they're beyond corruption. I think it'd be cool.

And yes it would posses kink

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DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!!

**Lord Lankington**

Fluff wise just say their transport was lost in the warp only to reappear 1000 years later all nasty and corrupted.

**Doctor Thunder**

1hadhq wrote:
nice paintjob.
But not canon. so I have to disagree for "official"GW fluff-legal.

Canon?

Fluff-Legal?

What game have you been playing?

This is 40K. GW has made it clear many times that there is no such thing as canon, only lies, propaganda, politics, rumors, legends and myths.

Here to explain it better then I can, we have a very important quote from Marc Gascoigne - Publisher, The Black Library and Black Flame

Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history...

Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumor that may or may not have any truth behind it.

Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumors, distorted legends and half-truths.

I think the real problem is that the topic as a "big question" doesn't matter. It's all as true as everything else, and all just as false/half-remembered/sort-of-true. The answer you are seeking is "Yes and no" or perhaps "Sometimes". And that's the end of it.

Now, ask us some specifics, eg can Black Templars spit acid and we can answer that one, and many others. But again note the answer may well be "sometimes" or "it varies" or "depends".

But is it all true? Yes and no. Even though some of it is plainly contradictory? Yes and no. Do we deliberately contradict, retell with differences? Yes we do. Is the newer the stuff the truer it is? Yes and no. In some cases is it true that the older stuff is the truest? Yes and no. Maybe and sometimes. Depends and it varies.

It's a decaying universe without GPS and galaxy-wide communication, where precious facts are clung to long after they have been changed out of all recognition. Read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M Miller, about monks toiling to hold onto facts in the aftermath of a nuclear war; that nails it for me.

Notice that even when he is talking about things that some players consider fairly indisputable, like the Black Templars lacking the belchers gland, his response is still "’sometimes’ or ‘it varies’ or ‘depends.’"

And another from the design team in White Dwarf 302:

The back story presents questions, enigmas, problems, and conflicts. Gamers explore and solve these issues by playing games and developing armies. In short, the background provides the beginning, but the players provide the end.
What is Cypher up to? Well, he's up to whatever you need him to be up to for your games and campaigns. What does the cult mechanicus have to do with the dragon? Whatever you want that relationship to be.
The background should be like Schrodinger's Cat-Nothing is defined until the players look into the box by playing games and determining the outcome for themselves. Backgrounds should be full of possibilities to be exploited and expanded by players, not answers that limit the potential of the game and its setting.

**1hadhq**

quote=Doctor Thunder]
What game have you been playing?

**Doctor Thunder**

Hey, don't shoot the messenger, 1hadhq. If you don't like the fact that 40K fluff is written without hard-and fast-rules, only rumors, myths and legends of dubious validity, and how fans are encouraged and expected to write their own fluff in whatever way they see fit, then send GW an email and tell them they need to change the way they've been doing it for the last twenty years to suit your personal needs better. Your beef is with them, not me.

Who knows, they might even read it before they delete it.

When you get such indecisive or evasive "answers", that should be seen as "good" ?
Because it would support your point of do whatever you like to

Well, consider the logic here:

1hadhq: "You need to follow the fluff."
Me: "I am."
1hadhq: "No, I mean you need to follow the fluff in the way I think you should."
Me: "Why?"
1hadhq: Because GW wrote the fluff."
Me: "GW says we are supposed to do whatever we want."
1hadhq: "Except for that part, ignore that part."
Me: "Says who?"
1hadhq: "Me."

Not a very sound line of reasoning, is it?

Can I have my own,to GW products incompatible background?

Or should I follow your idea and change the great crusade to a success, let those necrontyr sleep for the next hundred millenia,
throw out the nids and bring in space-dwarfs, have space-elfs and space-orks annihilated by the crusade,ignore the warp and
play the game as star-trek plus LotR combo,where the most gamers around will disagree to a match?

Are you drunk?

1hadhq wrote:
Work at the fluff IN your gaming-group may do well, but you shouldn't expect "outsiders" of your local group to
accept your opinion how to expand/change the background. a forum is not locally restricted,so we may have to base our
responses at the existing material from

My opinion? I quoted GW's opinion. Got any reason why anyone should listen to you instead?

**Delephont**

1hadhq wrote: stuff

1hadhq, you're missing Doc Thunders point completely. He's saying that GW has provided a framework.......the important word here is FRAME-WORK!

This means, that within a certain sphere, anything goes. Certain aspects of the agreed history could very well be re-written to suit your campaign.

Another important factor you have to bear in mind, is agreement to play. If you go to a group of stranger, you can propose a game with certain facets up for discussion. If the other gamers disagree, and you feel they're being unreasonable, you don't have to play with them. This agreement to play is just as important in a local gaming group.....but, remember, theres no harm in asking. If the idea, like Chaos Sisters of Battle, is well thought out and delivered in a clear and inventive way, who would agrue against it?

If you're talking tornament games, well, there tends to be a theme that is predetermined by the tornament organiser, but even here you have to agree to play.

In short, you need to take that stick out of your butt, and enjoy the WH40K universe in a way that actually brings pleasure and fun to you, and not in a way that is laid out and instructed to you.

**1hadhq**

Doctor Thunder wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger, 1hadhq. If you don't like the fact that 40K fluff is written without hard-and fast-rules, only rumors, myths and legends of dubious validity, and how fans are encouraged and expected to write their own fluff in whatever way they see fit, then send GW an email and tell them they need to change the way they've been doing it for the last twenty years to suit your personal needs better. Your beef is with them, not me.

I didn't aim and I didn't pull any trigger,so how did I shoot any messenger? :S
I may get sometimes into contact with GW. But why should I criticize them for your interpretations?

Please don't call things flexible as GW-employees answers facts.Maybe do me a favour and READ my post.

When you get such indecisive or evasive "answers", that should be seen as "good" ?
Because it would support your point of do whatever you like to

Corrected :
1hadhq: "You need to follow the fluff,if you want this outside your local gaming-group"
Me: "I am."
1hadhq: "No, I mean you need to follow the fluff in the way GW has written it"
Me: "Why?"
1hadhq: Because it would be easier to use everywhere"
Me: "I say we can do whatever we want to."
1hadhq: "ok. but don't expect me to accept your opinion without any question"
Me: "Says who?"
1hadhq: "Me."
ME: " I want my changes to count"
1hadhq: "your houserules? maybe if I have the time to look at them before"

a very sound line of reasoning, is it?

Are you drunk?

Did you really want me to answer this nonsense?

My opinion? I quoted GW's opinion. Got any reason why anyone should listen to you instead?

Me? I never thought my posts are mandatory

PS: Please quote more,if you like to,sounds funny whom you think is GW in person.

Would be a pleasure to see YOUR opinion.

**Kung Fu Jim**

1-3 it can be done, 4-6 it can't, moving on. There are evil SOB, I have one in real life.