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recently the razorback and predator have been withdrawn from the UK online site, and my informant tells me that GW are working on "bringing them back to the board better than ever, with a host of new things thanks to the new release of dex:SM"

My informant is from warseer, i dont know his real name but he is usually on the money

Anyone else heard this?

Anyone excited or wants something to come of the "maybe" new razorbacks or preds?

Sounds exciting, I hope you will keep me posted on whatever you find out, sir!

The Razorback I can see, because they might want to recut the turret to give it the new options from the recent Codex (so, Assault Cannons, TL-Heavy Flamer and Las/X2Plas). It would likely be a Wave Two release along side the Land Speeder Xtreme Atmostpheric Conditions and the Iron Clad Dread in Wave 2.

The Predator though? It didn't change in the new Codex, so that's odd.

BYE

As soon as i find pics, Dakka will be the first on me list to get them.

I'll keep you up-to-date with it

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Predator though? It didn't change in the new Codex, so that's odd.

BYE

Wishful thinking but maybe re-releasing it with the Baal options in plastic? Yeah, on second thought they're probably just taking it down to raise the price.

derek wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Predator though? It didn't change in the new Codex, so that's odd.

BYE

Wishful thinking but maybe re-releasing it with the Baal options in plastic? Yeah, on second thought they're probably just taking it down to raise the price.

Except GW has been consistently LOWERING the prices on their plastic kits. Significantly.

This is the thing that kills dakka for the 'normal' gamer - the passive-aggressive hate on their hobby...

Sure, blame all of us for one person's post. :S

Removing the Predator is probably just to re-box them. If you've noticed a lot of boxes have gotten smaller, or have been reorientated to be taller but thinner, thereby taking up less space on a shelf, allowing for more products. The cardboard is also thinner, and uses less of it, again cutting down production costs.

DeathGod wrote:Except GW has been consistently LOWERING the prices on their plastic kits. Significantly.

Not raising prices and lowering prices are two very different things. The latest price increase didn't hit plastic things, but they sure as hell didn't go down.

BYE

DeathGod wrote:

derek wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Predator though? It didn't change in the new Codex, so that's odd.

BYE

Wishful thinking but maybe re-releasing it with the Baal options in plastic? Yeah, on second thought they're probably just taking it down to raise the price.

Except GW has been consistently LOWERING the prices on their plastic kits. Significantly.

This is the thing that kills dakka for the 'normal' gamer - the passive-aggressive hate on their hobby...

When was the last time you saw a price go down on a kit? Just because plastics didn't get hit this time, doesn't mean they won't in the future. Also isn't there a couple page thread on their plastic table going up a hundred bucks?

Removing the Predator is probably just to re-box them. If you've noticed a lot of boxes have gotten smaller, or have been reorientated to be taller but thinner, thereby taking up less space on a shelf, allowing for more products. The cardboard is also thinner, and uses less of it, again cutting down production costs.

Wasn't this something to do with EU law requiring products to have certain shelf dimensions?

No idea.

To me it's just good business - you get more shelf space for new products and save money on all the cardboard you're not using.

Then they can pass the savings onto... themselves.

What... you didn't think I was going to say 'us' did you?

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:No idea.

To me it's just good business - you get more shelf space for new products and save money on all the cardboard you're not using.

Then they can pass the savings onto... themselves.

What... you didn't think I was going to say 'us' did you?

BYE

Yeah, I noticed that "less cost for us, same cost for you" trend when I picked up a few things at my FLGS.

Shadowsun without a box, just the plastic internal divider. Couple other non-boxed items there too. O'Shova, tank company, and a few other pieces in plain brown unprinted boxes. Just plain tacky if you ask me.

-Hans

DeathGod wrote:

derek wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Predator though? It didn't change in the new Codex, so that's odd.

BYE

Wishful thinking but maybe re-releasing it with the Baal options in plastic? Yeah, on second thought they're probably just taking it down to raise the price.

Except GW has been consistently LOWERING the prices on their plastic kits. Significantly.

This is the thing that kills dakka for the 'normal' gamer - the passive-aggressive hate on their hobby...

Is there such a thing, anywhere, never mind just on Dakka?

Perhaps they are re-working the sponsons on the Predator? They are forever snapping off, and not everyone has the skill or the will to pin the buggers.

The reboxing wouldn't really require the taking down of it though. You just switch to the new boxes and let the old sell out. No recall costs that way.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Razorback I can see, because they might want to recut the turret to give it the new options from the recent Codex (so, Assault Cannons, TL-Heavy Flamer and Las/X2Plas). It would likely be a Wave Two release along side the Land Speeder Xtreme Atmostpheric Conditions and the Iron Clad Dread in Wave 2.

The Predator though? It didn't change in the new Codex, so that's odd.

BYE

could include extra armor into the "options-sprue" ?
complete boxes with all options seem more likely
than New predator variants.

Wouldn't be new Predator variants as there's nothing in that kit that you can't do with the current Codex (and vice versa).

BYE

I'd like to see smaller searchlights, radar dishes etc so that they don't stick out so much. I think extra armour would be a waste of plastic. It's one of the easiest things to make and it's nice to see the variation from scratchbuilt stuff to forgeworld stuff. If anything they should get rid of that horrible spade thing that comes with the razorback sprue and replace it with somthing that doesn't look like crap (it doesn't even have detail on the underside) and is far too small.
I would like a wreath/laurel that I could put on vehicles that was reasonably large and allowed me to include whatever inside it.

Hans wrote:
Yeah, I noticed that "less cost for us, same cost for you" trend when I picked up a few things at my FLGS.

Shadowsun without a box, just the plastic internal divider. Couple other non-boxed items there too. O'Shova, tank company, and a few other pieces in plain brown unprinted boxes. Just plain tacky if you ask me.
-Hans

That shadowsun may have been a return, or a direct order that no one ever picked up. As for the Tank Company and O'shova, I believe they are direct only, and thus get packed in plain boxes when shipped out. I've noticed that some FLGS keep a stock of direct order only items on the shelf for whatever reason, and they have more plain, less flashy boxes then the "regular stock" stuff.

As for the predator/razorback, it's possible they are releasing both options on the same sprue, so you'll only have one kit that comes with both options, like the redeemer/crusader. That also frees up more shelf space for more new stuff of any kind.

I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the predator and the razorback where being recut and placed into the same box as both are turreted tanks. At the same time it would make sense to add the Baal Predator bit as that trims 3 boxes down to 1, again likely due to the UK shelf space laws (or some such).

To me it seems like combining them is the most likely outcome, even if it'll mean paying more for each box (good for them, not for us) and you end up with parts you may or may not need.

H.B.M.C. wrote:No idea.

To me it's just good business - you get more shelf space for new products and save money on all the cardboard you're not using.

Then they can pass the savings onto... themselves.

What... you didn't think I was going to say 'us' did you?

BYE

Dude, that is BS. The latest plastic release have been cheaper -$25 boxes for some daemons etc. Metals are still outrageously over priced. What will be interesting to see is if the marines are retooled, repackaged etc what price will they be. $40, $35 or $30? As newer models are released I can see lowered prices to stimulate sales etc, but not on existing products coz that means admitting they mucked it up all those years ago.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not raising prices and lowering prices are two very different things. The latest price increase didn't hit plastic things, but they sure as hell didn't go down.

touché.

but just to go off track a bit, the land raider redeemer (i think) in my local store has dropped from £40 to £25. might snap that up just because its a 'GW' Bargain

Back around 2000 a Falcon cost 75DM, now it costs 30 Euros, thats 8 Euros cheaper.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Removing the Predator is probably just to re-box them. If you've noticed a lot of boxes have gotten smaller, or have been reorientated to be taller but thinner, thereby taking up less space on a shelf, allowing for more products. The cardboard is also thinner, and uses less of it, again cutting down production costs.

That has more to do with new EU packaging laws.

Redoing Razorback and Pred sprues makes sense, a one size fits all approach should work.

I want to no how the OP could bother to post an almost month old rumor and not bother to notice that both kits are up on the UK site (and have been since before the new site went up). The kits went offline while they changed the long order codes and tweaked the packaging to the current ones. GW US had the Whirlwind go MIA during the same time period these two went MIA in the UK for the same reasons.

Edit: Typos.

fullheadofhair wrote:Dude, that is BS. The latest plastic release have been cheaper -$25 boxes for some daemons etc.

The Warhammer boxes got 'cheaper' because there's less in them. They went from having (usually) 20 models to having 10 models... but not at half the price, at 2/3rds the price. So it got cheaper, but you're getting half what was in there before.

BYE

Many of the new plastic kits are cheaper compared to their old metal equivalents - at least that's the case here in Canada. For example:

Black Orcs, DE Corsairs, DE Cold One Knight, Chaos Knights, Chaos Marauder Cav, Eldar Dire Avengers, Bloodletters, Daemonettes, SM Crusader, SM Land Speeders...etc

They all have the same (or more!) amount of models as the old metal/hybrid equivalents, generally have more bitz, and cost significantly less.

Not sure if that's the point being addressed here, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Zoned

P.S: To be fair, many kits are also the same price as their metal/hybrid counterparts (SM Dreadnaught, Eldar Wraithlord, Warwalkers...etc) but they all have more weapon options and bitz.

Actually a lot of store got screwed with the new prices. My FLGS now has to sell quite a bit of its stock below the price they payed to get them. The scouts, combat squad, DA Vets, etc are all 23-25 where they used to be 35 dollars.

I've noticed that when they've gone from metal to plastic, they've passed a savings along to us. Look at the new chaos knights, or any of the plastic daemon kits. The new plastic grots are going to be a huge savings over the metals.

I'm all for yelling at stupid prices ($290 for the table), but we do need to recognize the good with the bad.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:Dude, that is BS. The latest plastic release have been cheaper -$25 boxes for some daemons etc.

The Warhammer boxes got 'cheaper' because there's less in them. They went from having (usually) 20 models to having 10 models... but not at half the price, at 2/3rds the price. So it got cheaper, but you're getting half what was in there before.

BYE

That just isn't true. 10 metal daemons was $50 bucks. Now it is $25. It is cheaper and I don't see how you can argue anything different. Same with new DE cold ones and warriors. P.s I am quite a good GW hater (not as good as you, though) but new plastic kits seem to be cheaper. Can you give an example where new ones are more expensive or the same price - genuine question, coz I am 2nd bottle of wine.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Removing the Predator is probably just to re-box them. If you've noticed a lot of boxes have gotten smaller, or have been reorientated to be taller but thinner, thereby taking up less space on a shelf, allowing for more products. The cardboard is also thinner, and uses less of it, again cutting down production costs.

DeathGod wrote:Except GW has been consistently LOWERING the prices on their plastic kits. Significantly.

Not raising prices and lowering prices are two very different things. The latest price increase didn't hit plastic things, but they sure as hell didn't go down.

BYE

The prices went down big-time in my FLGS. Tanks are down by $15, infantry by at least $5.