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OK.. still thinking about my Ork army.. core troops.

Under the entry for basic Boyz, unit size 10-30.. for every 10 boyz in your unit, one may be given a Big Shoota or a Rokkit Launcha.

Is this meaning that for every FULL 10 boys, you get one heavier item.. or for the range of 1-10 you get one?

I know that for 10 exactly, or 20 exactly you get 1 or 2 Rokkits.. but.. how about for that Trukk Boy unit of 12? Mainly this is for painting and army construction..

In a 12 strong Trukk Boy unit, I want a Nob, and a Big Shoota... but it was recently pointed out at a skull session that according to the book and current understanding of math.. it is possible to get a nob and 2 big shootas, as the 2 boys over 10, take the unit into a range band of 11-20 and that qualified them for a second big gun.

I hope I have expressed that well without being too confusing.

So, my question to the brain trust here is .. was he correct? Can Trukk boyz cart around 2 of the bigger weapons?

-Porkuslime

I don't have that codex however the answer seems clear on logical grounds.

For every 10 boyz means you get one rokkit at 10, a second rokkit at 20 and a third at 30.

You don't get the extra rocket for 11, because 11/10 =/= 2.

Yarp.

Every 10 full Boyz, you get another Heavy Weapon.

You can only get a heavy weapon for each full 10 of boyz, this means that you only get one heavy weapon for a mob of 12, not a

It is really very simple, just divide the number of boys in you mob by 10 and round down to the nearest integer - that's how many big guns you can have:

example 12 boys / 10 = 1.2 ---> (round down) ---> = 1

0-9 boyz - zero big guns
10-19 boyz - 1 big gun
20-29 boyz - 2 big guns
30 boyz - 3 big guns.

hope this helps.

/Gridnah

I see your point, guys... I hold by the "Full 10" value.. but this other guy, (who is a math grad student) holds that it is more of a range issue.. 1-10 boyz = 1 heavy, 11-20 = 2 heavy, and 21-30 is 3..

and, since I am the scion of 2 math profs, I can see his point.. and thus soliciting outside opinions..

-P

Based on previous GW works, I would expect the codex to read, "For every 10 boys, or fraction thereof, one may be equipped with a Big Shoota or Rokkit Launcha." if the intent was to make it a 1-10 issue.

Realize that GW games dev are, in general, not math professors, and are also British, so how they write something may be slightly different than the US way of writing it.

It's been pretty well established on the interweb that it's one weapon for every 10 full boyz in a mob.

They have the same wording in the eldar codex for Guardian Jetbikes.

For every 3 jetbikes you can upgrade one to a shurikan cannon.

And that means that every time your jetbikes number in multiples of 3 you get to upgrade one of them.

It means the same thing for the orks. Basically every 10th boy gets a heavy weapon.

I see your point, guys... I hold by the "Full 10" value.. but this other guy, (who is a math grad student) holds that it is more of a range issue.. 1-10 boyz = 1 heavy, 11-20 = 2 heavy, and 21-30 is 3..

Well, you shouldn't trust authority figures, always question them. That's what the philosophers tell you anyway.
I feel that there is absolutely no ambiguity in the rules on this point. What exactly is his argument that makes 12 a pair of full 10:s? I cannot see it.

If he is in a store that has an item that is marked as "buy two, get the third one for free", does he buy three and expect two freebies?

By the way, for a non-american, what exactly is a "grad student"?

/Grindah

a Graduate Student .. after a 4 year term (or 5, 6, or 7 in my case) in college, after graduation, going back to get a Master's Degree, or some other higher than a Bachelor's Degree.

Basically, someone who is seriously studying math (in this case).. and taking advanced college courses in it.

-Porkuslime

math has nothing to do with this really besides counting to 30 and you dont need a degree to do that. you must have 10 boys to get 1, 20 boys to get 2 and 30 boys to get 3

pretty basic, you might want to tell that guy to stay in school a little longer haha that was a joke.

This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

I have a degree in Maths and that fact is irrelevant to the question. Your friend is just arguing for the sake of it. Grindah's first post is correct and that's what you should go by! Also, for that fact, so is his second post!

Thr33ifbyair wrote:This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

If he's showing off because he knows what 'range' is, you might want to point out to him that most 11 year olds know what range is!

InyokaMadoda wrote:

Thr33ifbyair wrote:This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

If he's showing off because he knows what 'range' is, you might want to point out to him that most 11 year olds know what range is!

I forgot voice inflection and sarcasm don't transfer through text.

My bad.

If it added "or fraction thereof", then it would be ranges as he suggests.

Most of us intrepret like this:
0-9 = 0
10-19 = 1
20-29 = 2
30 = 3.

So if you only have 9 boyz, it's not the 10 needed for the upgrade.

Thr33ifbyair wrote:

InyokaMadoda wrote:

Thr33ifbyair wrote:This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

If he's showing off because he knows what 'range' is, you might want to point out to him that most 11 year olds know what range is!

I forgot voice inflection and sarcasm don't transfer through text.

My bad.

Fair enough. Glad to know you were being sarcastic. Text sarcasm always gets in the way of a good put down!

InyokaMadoda wrote:

Thr33ifbyair wrote:This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

If he's showing off because he knows what 'range' is, you might want to point out to him that most 11 year olds know what range is!

I disagree, most people do NOT know what a range is. If I were to tell you that the answer to a problem is 25+/-5% you would be surprised how many people couldn't not figure out what the range is. More so, if I tell you that all physics problems in text books SHOULD include a range of possibilities based on uncertainty when making the measurements of the physical quantities... people look at me like I have 3 heads!... This is coming from the perspective of a physics educator in a secondary school in the USA.

however, to answer your question for every 10 boyz you get a heavy weapon... that means if you don't have 10 yet you don't get the weapon. if I have 9, I do not yet have 10 and I do not get the weapon.

frgsinwntr wrote:

InyokaMadoda wrote:

Thr33ifbyair wrote:This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

If he's showing off because he knows what 'range' is, you might want to point out to him that most 11 year olds know what range is!

I disagree, most people do NOT know what a range is. If I were to tell you that the answer to a problem is 25+/-5% you would be surprised how many people couldn't not figure out what the range is. More so, if I tell you that all physics problems in text books SHOULD include a range of possibilities based on uncertainty when making the measurements of the physical quantities... people look at me like I have 3 heads!... This is coming from the perspective of a physics educator in a secondary school in the USA.

however, to answer your question for every 10 boyz you get a heavy weapon... that means if you don't have 10 yet you don't get the weapon. if I have 9, I do not yet have 10 and I do not get the weapon.

You are more than welcome to argue with me if you want, but I'm a Maths teacher and I know what is on the curriculum for 11 year olds! And before you point out that I'm in the UK whereas you're in the USA, I'm quite familiar with your curriculum too. If people don't know what a range is then they have simply forgotten. Either way, showing off because you know what range is, would be a very daft thing to do!

The standard for teaching in many localities is shockingly low. Being a teacher doesn't provide any special status here, given that this is a "word problem".

I completely agree with you. On both counts. This is a word problem, not a maths problem, hence all of the posts about 'range' being an entirely inappropriate concept for this rules question. I only mentioned my being a teacher as we were sidetracked into a discussion on who should or shouldn't know what 'range' is....

InyokaMadoda wrote:

frgsinwntr wrote:

InyokaMadoda wrote:

Thr33ifbyair wrote:This grad student seems to be arguing for the sake of showing off that he knows what a range is.

If he's showing off because he knows what 'range' is, you might want to point out to him that most 11 year olds know what range is!

I disagree, most people do NOT know what a range is. If I were to tell you that the answer to a problem is 25+/-5% you would be surprised how many people couldn't not figure out what the range is. More so, if I tell you that all physics problems in text books SHOULD include a range of possibilities based on uncertainty when making the measurements of the physical quantities... people look at me like I have 3 heads!... This is coming from the perspective of a physics educator in a secondary school in the USA.

however, to answer your question for every 10 boyz you get a heavy weapon... that means if you don't have 10 yet you don't get the weapon. if I have 9, I do not yet have 10 and I do not get the weapon.

You are more than welcome to argue with me if you want, but I'm a Maths teacher and I know what is on the curriculum for 11 year olds! And before you point out that I'm in the UK whereas you're in the USA, I'm quite familiar with your curriculum too. If people don't know what a range is then they have simply forgotten. Either way, showing off because you know what range is, would be a very daft thing to do!

What is on the curriculum is very rarely what is retained or learned by the students.

here is the NJ CCCS (in many ways these excede pretty much every other state in the US):
http://education.state.nj.us/cccs/?_standard_matrix;c=4

here is the part about range:
Read, interpret, select, construct, analyze, generate questions about, and draw inferences from displays of data.
Bar graph, line graph, circle graph, table
Range, median, and mean

if you could do me a favor and tell me how you would check for understanding, possibly your formative assessment approach in class I would like to use this with my 12th grade physics students to see how they would respond. What level students do you teach?

The difficulty I address is in the application of range to the idea of uncertainty(some call it error)
http://www.rsc.org/pdf/uchemed/papers/2000/42_garratt.pdf


hehe and I am sorry i am Hijacking the thread : p and 100% agree it is a word problem not a math problem

Firstly, it's the evening and I've been teaching all day so talking about maths all evening is not something I relish.

Secondly, I teach from age 11 to 18, mainly concentrating on 16-18 year olds. (Thought it would be easier to use ages, as our years are called different things from yours).

Thirdly, to check understanding, I simply ask them questions throughout all lessons and throughout the year. I adopt a question and answer style to teaching and then test at the end of modules and years. I work at a private school and so we can choose which parts of the curriculum we stick to.

So that we don't completely hijack this thread, can I suggest PMing me with any curriculum questions?

So you teach students of an age range of 11-18?

+/-33% I am sure :p

12 years ago, I sat a Foundation level G.C.S.E. in Mathematics (with the correct truncated name being Maths, not Math) and got a 'C' Grade (the lowest grade that counts as a pass in our soceity).

And I am telling you, 12 does not equal two lots of ten. 12 Boyz = 1 Heavy Weapon. 19 Boyz = 1 Heavy Weapon. 20 Boyz = 2 Heavy Weapons.

Soooooooooo off topic

JohnHwangDD wrote:So you teach students of an age range of 11-18?

Are you insinuating that I'm a paedophile?

People do this all the time and it's actually very offensive.

InyokaMadoda wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:So you teach students of an age range of 11-18?

Are you insinuating that I'm a paedophile?

People do this all the time and it's actually very offensive.

Making insinuations to you? Nah, not offensive.
Me making insinuation? Nah, not offensive.

Pedophilia in general? Yeah, yeah very offensive.

Good thing I'm not making such an insinuation.

In that case I'm wondering what you meant by the 'wink'?

So let me get this straight: The subject of the thread is about ranges, among other things. InyokaMadoda announces that s/he teaches children from 11 years old to 18 years old. JohnHwangDD makes a joke about this being a range of years, and suddenly he's insinuating that InyokaMadoda is a paedophile? What the heck?