Necromunda Underhive - House of Chains Pg272

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**BrookM**

Under the tape are Dramatis Personae.

**zedmeister**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Made even more secret by being upside down.

Could be worse. We could have the classic shaky camera as well

**H.B.M.C.**

Oh yeah! I'd forgotten about that. No earthquakes reported in Nottingham this weekend.

**lord_blackfang**

Mr_Rose wrote:
The “something” pistol might be a sawn-off shotgun — it’s a very “biker” type weapon.
But I’m not sure how you’d represent that in the rules… super short range, obviously maybe a low strength, good hit bonus at short range, and the flechette rule?

I can tell you with some certaintly that a sawn-off shotgun in Necromunda 2017 would have range 4"/8", Acc +2/-. S3, AP-, D1, Ammo 2+, Plentiful and Scattershot.

**BrookM**

Only thing I don't like about the Orlock is how the weapons all look the same. Not so much style, but rather.. the autogun and shotgun are hard to distinguish, much like the various plasma incinerator types used by Hellblasters.

And yes, the sawn off shotgun stats have already been posted in the first Gang War book.

**CthuluIsSpy**

BrookM wrote:
Only thing I don't like about the Orlock is how the weapons all look the same. Not so much style, but rather.. the autogun and shotgun are hard to distinguish, much like the various plasma incinerator types used by Hellblasters.

And yes, the sawn off shotgun stats have already been posted in the first Gang War book.

Huh so it is. And its not a pistol, so juves can't have it and even worse, you can't duel wield them

I can't be the only guy who thinks duel wielding sawn off shotguns looks cool. Impractical irl, but still cool.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
Mr_Rose wrote:
The “something” pistol might be a sawn-off shotgun — it’s a very “biker” type weapon.
But I’m not sure how you’d represent that in the rules… super short range, obviously maybe a low strength, good hit bonus at short range, and the flechette rule?

I can tell you with some certaintly that a sawn-off shotgun in Necromunda 2017 would have range 4"/8", Acc +2/-. S3, AP-, D1, Ammo 2+, Plentiful and Scattershot.

6+ ammo, actually. But its plentiful, so it doesn't really matter.

**Chopstick**

Shotgun have 2 barrel, and different grip

Autogun have 1 barrel, slot/heat sink on barrel to absorb heat.

Also Heavy Stubber and Harpoon Gun look like they have the Gun and arm as different bits, so they might end up being easier to kit bash.

**Clockpunk**

Damn, House Orlock boxes weren't available for sale were they? They do look fantastic. Was there any sightings of the alt. FW weapon sets?

**timd**

Single sprue weapons count:
2 x autoguns
3x combat shotguns
3x autopistols
4 x stub pistols
1 x sawed off shotgun
heavy stubber,
harpoon gun
powerfist
three knife hands

**JimmyWolf87**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
The 1 hand long gun is Sawn off shotgun.

The Power Fist is Servo Claw.

I don't know why they even include so many Stub guns, they're cheap but not much cheaper than an Auto or Laspistol, you can't even sell or replace them for non-champ/leader now so you'll be stuck with an inferior gun for throughout the campaign.

It would be great if they have a holstered Stub-gun bit to have the extra space for some more exotic weapon, like a Bolter, or Bolt pistol perharp. Dual wielding bolt pistol champion is infinitely cooler than dual wielding stub gun Juve.

I think they are pushing the Orlocks to be more of a close quarters / melee faction.
Hence the brawn skill set instead of shooting, which is more for resilience / minor cqc buffs.
Then again, they also have savant, which helps out with shooting as well so idk.

It would certainly explain why there are more shotguns and pistols than autoguns.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Made even more secret by being upside down.

What ever it is, its on page 5. Also, by psychic trepanation do they mean that a psychic will telekinetically make a hole on your head, or they'll make a hole in your head and do psychic stuff?

I did make out the first word of what's behind the tape, and it appears to say Dramatis. Couldn't make out the second word, but I'm going to guess its Personae.
Going by the format of the rest of the entries, it seems everything under it goes under it.
So this Yar Umbra bloke is a Dramatis Personae.

Thought Orlocks got Ferocity, not Brawn. Certainly makes them more damage/pinning resistant but not necessarily melee orientated.

**CthuluIsSpy**

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
The 1 hand long gun is Sawn off shotgun.

The Power Fist is Servo Claw.

I don't know why they even include so many Stub guns, they're cheap but not much cheaper than an Auto or Laspistol, you can't even sell or replace them for non-champ/leader now so you'll be stuck with an inferior gun for throughout the campaign.

It would be great if they have a holstered Stub-gun bit to have the extra space for some more exotic weapon, like a Bolter, or Bolt pistol perharp. Dual wielding bolt pistol champion is infinitely cooler than dual wielding stub gun Juve.

I think they are pushing the Orlocks to be more of a close quarters / melee faction.
Hence the brawn skill set instead of shooting, which is more for resilience / minor cqc buffs.
Then again, they also have savant, which helps out with shooting as well so idk.

It would certainly explain why there are more shotguns and pistols than autoguns.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Made even more secret by being upside down.

What ever it is, its on page 5. Also, by psychic trepanation do they mean that a psychic will telekinetically make a hole on your head, or they'll make a hole in your head and do psychic stuff?

I did make out the first word of what's behind the tape, and it appears to say Dramatis. Couldn't make out the second word, but I'm going to guess its Personae.
Going by the format of the rest of the entries, it seems everything under it goes under it.
So this Yar Umbra bloke is a Dramatis Personae.

Thought Orlocks got Ferocity, not Brawn. Certainly makes them more damage/pinning resistant but not necessarily melee orientated.

My mistake, I confused the two. I meant Ferocity. They do get brawn as a secondary skill, but champs and leaders will usually start with a Ferocity or a Savant skill.

**Kijamon**

So a named character, presumably already has a model made and the picture is on page 5.

It's a book with named bounty hunters. There's only two bounty hunter special characters out already that would be worth hiding for a big reveal.

Kal Jericho and possibly a re-imagining of Mad Donna (going by the Escher bounty hunter mentioned in the core rulebook who looks very much like her in all but name).

They are very unlikely to re-use old sculpts but the Kal Jericho one is actually reasonably big if memory serves and could slot right in to this scale.

Just my guess

**Breotan**

Information on Facebook (Necromunda 2017 group) by a person who attended the Open Day.

Thomas wrote:Hey Guys, just got back from the WarhammerWorld Open Day , and got a lot of info, and thought I'd be nice and share it will you all.

Orlock models, dice,tactic cards,gang war 2, and the new tiles will be on sale/pre-order 2nd half of febuary.

of the six new named bounty hunters in GW2, 3 have finished models as already shown, the other three are in production.

regarding resin weapons kits, FW are going a little overboard (in a very good way). Eschers are getting three packs. each pack has different weapons to each other and will fully convert a 10 pack of minis. these will be roughly even mixes, I.E. half close range, half long ranged like the plastics. these are lots of new guns (needle pistols and rifles, flamers, plasma guns, melta guns, 2 different heavy stubbers were all named) and some variants of existing ones (right or left handed versions of weapons on plastic). most if not all weapons in these packs will be added to the gangs 'house lists'. Goliaths and orlocks have several packs each in the works as well. These weapons kits will start being seen at the HH/N weekender next month, and one or two MIGHT be on limited sale there, if they get production on time.

the mystery of 'page 5' is that it is a piece of artwork, containing MAJOR SPOILERS for an upcoming release, a section of the 'named characters' section in the back of the book is also blocked out as well and is the same spoiler.

the three WD gangs are expected to be all out by summer, the articles are all written, but final scheduling is up to the WD team rather than specialist games, and SG wouldn't be drawn on issues or order as WD might change it due to reasons. quick recap, these WD gangs are a genestealer cult Neophyte gang, chaos cults, and a bounty hunters gang.

Gang War 3 will be out in the summer, alongside the 4th house (no confirmation of which house it will be, and don't believe anyone who says otherwise). GW3 will have new scenarios, characters and a massively increased trading post containing practically every Imperial weapon in 40k ATM, with some obivous exclusions (custodes stuff ect). based on the references of which factions where name checked and the like, this trading post list could very easily be well be nearly 200 weapons if not more.

**Theophony**

Dude on the cover looks like Hansa (Hulk Hogan) from Beyond the Gates of Antares.

**Chopstick**

Meh, I'd prefer they just made a bunch of weapon in holster, weapon with no arm attached, that way it make it way easier to slap one on a back of a model.

That would be really easy to make.

**Clockpunk**

Hmmm... whilst I can appreciate the idea of offering all gangs (almost) all weapon possibilities - especially if the designs reflect the different styles of each - I do prefer the idea of some weapon choice restrictions beyond just one or two unique per.

**BrookM**

Three packs per gang is a bit much, especially if you only want some weapons and are forced to buy all just to get weapon X and Y.

**lord_blackfang**

Yeah I'm not thrilled that to get a Goliath laspistol I might have to buy a pack of 20 for 30 quid (guessing)

**zend**

Man, only one house per book, with months in between book releases, and FW only weapon sprues? Are they trying to kill the game off already?

**Insurgency Walker**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah I'm not thrilled that to get a Goliath laspistol I might have to buy a pack of 20 for 30 quid (guessing)

After kicking bits sellers in the nuts for years they decide.......to continue kicking bits sellers in the nuts.
But with pink bunny slippers on.

**Chopstick**

Maybe the reason the upgrade sprue didn't get made in plastic because FW go overboard and GW think it would be too expensive

**Mr_Rose**

The reason it’s not getting made in plastic is because Specialist Games has a strictly limited allocation of dies and machine time. Every weapon pack or character they do in plastic is one less plastic gang.

**Baxx**

I would actually prefer they completed the gangs before moving over to the next. Look at Blood Bowl, you still have incomplete teams released in the starter box.

In the extreme, that would be like having all the 6 houses without a single heavy weapon (with range more than 9"). Now we might get some or all heavy weapons for existing gangs before the last gangs are released.

**H.B.M.C.**

Chopstick wrote:
Maybe the reason the upgrade sprue didn't get made in plastic because FW go overboard and GW think it would be too expensive

Or because it was never planned to be a plastic release.

I'm sorry if that's a 'boring' answer, but it's the one that's more likely to be true.

**JohnnyHell**

So who is "The Deserter"? Seems to be the character just above Yar Wossname under the Post-It note redaction.

And Dramatis Personae is just play script speak for "list of characters". Not a new Adeptus Trademarkius term!

**BrookM**

The Deserter is the model on the left:

The model on the right is the Longshoreman.

**AndrewGPaul**

The Deserter was previewed on Warhammer TV before Christmas. The pictures of the pages (along with half a dozen other pages from GW2) should be in this thread somewhere.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Chopstick wrote:
The 1 hand long gun is Sawn off shotgun.

The Power Fist is Servo Claw.

I don't know why they even include so many Stub guns, they're cheap but not much cheaper than an Auto or Laspistol, you can't even sell or replace them for non-champ/leader now so you'll be stuck with an inferior gun for throughout the campaign.

It would be great if they have a holstered Stub-gun bit to have the extra space for some more exotic weapon, like a Bolter, or Bolt pistol perharp. Dual wielding bolt pistol champion is infinitely cooler than dual wielding stub gun Juve.

Signature house weapons.

Goliath have hefty CCW, Escher lots of Las, Orlock seemingly favours solid shot.

Adds a bit of variety between the houses beyond their tweaked stats. Plus, weapons packs are coming out fairly* soon, and they do want those to sell

*Fairly. Like, 'not a Dark Eldar or Sisters of Battle length of wait'

**zamerion**

Deserter

¿yar umbra?

and the other without model

The other model should be a scum.

So we will se 2 miniatures more?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
The 1 hand long gun is Sawn off shotgun.

The Power Fist is Servo Claw.

I don't know why they even include so many Stub guns, they're cheap but not much cheaper than an Auto or Laspistol, you can't even sell or replace them for non-champ/leader now so you'll be stuck with an inferior gun for throughout the campaign.

It would be great if they have a holstered Stub-gun bit to have the extra space for some more exotic weapon, like a Bolter, or Bolt pistol perharp. Dual wielding bolt pistol champion is infinitely cooler than dual wielding stub gun Juve.

Signature house weapons.

Goliath have hefty CCW, Escher lots of Las, Orlock seemingly favours solid shot.

Adds a bit of variety between the houses beyond their tweaked stats. Plus, weapons packs are coming out fairly* soon, and they do want those to sell

*Fairly. Like, 'not a Dark Eldar or Sisters of Battle length of wait'

Interesting observation.
I'm going to assume then that flamer weapons are a Cawdor theme. What would Van Saar have, plasma? No idea what Delaque could have. Silenced / suppresed guns? Idk.
I really wished they'd release all of the factions at once rather than making us wait. Whilst I do think the Orlocks look really damn good, the last thing I want is to collect them only to think "well gak, those blokes look even better" when GW gets around to releasing them.