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I think you've got it wrong. It'll be "Thanks to the love of a child and his comrades, Wrecker overcomes the influence of the chip."

This will likely come at great physical cost meaning the rest of the Batch have to track down the only macguffin in the galaxy that can save his life. There's just one catch...

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Well sure, that’s what happens After. They’re still gonna act like it came out of nowhere without any warning.

 
   
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I sincerely hate the energy bow. It (for some reason) requires physical muscles she doesn't have (being a child), and she can use a gun _just fine_, and the thing doesn't seem any less dangerous or lethal than a gun.

It's really stupid not to just give her a gun.
They're already taking a child into combat situations, and training her up as a literal child soldier, so the moral event horizon is long gone.

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Voss wrote:
I sincerely hate the energy bow. It (for some reason) requires physical muscles she doesn't have (being a child), and she can use a gun _just fine_, and the thing doesn't seem any less dangerous or lethal than a gun.

It's really stupid not to just give her a gun.
They're already taking a child into combat situations, and training her up as a literal child soldier, so the moral event horizon is long gone.

Agreed. Why the hell would you design an energy weapon that works like a bow in the first place? That is beyond stupid and quite possibly the worst weapon I've seen in Star Wars, like, ever.

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Yeah, but then they'll never be able to cash in on the Katniss Everdeen crowd and sell the Star Wars version of all those toys!

Literally my first thought on that scene; this is to sell a toy and this weapon is dumb.

I did however get a laugh from the bar encouraging/betting on her success XD It made me think of how incredibly rare it is in Star Wars to just see people living life and doing mundane things, and even more so how the population of the galaxy whose fates these conflicts decide are almost always faceless bystanders. It was a nice touch that I appreciated quite a bit.

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 ZergSmasher wrote:
Voss wrote:
I sincerely hate the energy bow. It (for some reason) requires physical muscles she doesn't have (being a child), and she can use a gun _just fine_, and the thing doesn't seem any less dangerous or lethal than a gun.

It's really stupid not to just give her a gun.
They're already taking a child into combat situations, and training her up as a literal child soldier, so the moral event horizon is long gone.

Agreed. Why the hell would you design an energy weapon that works like a bow in the first place? That is beyond stupid and quite possibly the worst weapon I've seen in Star Wars, like, ever.


It's not the first energy bow we've been shown, though. Nightsisters used them in the Clone Wars cartoon, and Jannah has one (although hers apparently energises physical arrows rather than being pure energy blasts) in RoS.

It's no more silly than lightwhips, or any number of other design decisions made over the years. Star Wars isn't hard sci fi, it's fantasy in space, and design decisions rely far more on whether or not something looks cool than on whether or not it's practical.


As for why Omega has it instead of a gun... my impression was that it was just because she liked it.

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The bow that energizes physical arrows makes a lot more sense, and is even kind of cool in a weird, almost WH40k sort of way. I get it that Star Wars is fantasy in space and everything is made up to look cool and all that, but you gotta draw the line someplace...

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The bow is a bit silly. Its actual reason probably is that The Mouse doesn’t want to give guns to children (regularly) and to sell toys.

For an in-universe explanation, it somehow turns muscle energy into blaster bolts? Or even if it has a charge pack, it might have been developed for cultural reasons. Some alien race has a big way of the bow thing rooted into their past, so when they get to the point of real weapons (either by developing it themselves, or more likely some entrepreneur figures he can make bank selling to a niche market) they end up with bow/blaster things. Not practical.

   
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Star Wars stuff is oftentimes impractical, like armor that mainly does nothing... which apparently is all except beskar, or bowcasters that are energy crossbows and work exactly as any other blaster, but with a bow on top, or... well, a whole lot of things, actually ^^.

Then again, in SW space, you only need a tiny respirator mask to be able to breathe in space, so... it's simply part of how SW works ^^.
   
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Is it me or is Dave Filoni kinda making the galaxy kinda.....small?
The Bad Batch Just so happens to run into Kanan, Then just so happen to get Jabbas Rancor for him, then run into........the sisters on a random mission.
IT feels less like a galaxy and more like a small city now.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Is it me or is Dave Filoni kinda making the galaxy kinda.....small?
The Bad Batch Just so happens to run into Kanan, Then just so happen to get Jabbas Rancor for him, then run into........the sisters on a random mission.
IT feels less like a galaxy and more like a small city now.


It did annoy me that I didn't know who they were, but I was clearly supposed to. Also their 'sinister' reporting in about the clones to someone who is clearly going to turn out to not be sinister at all.
The overall style of the show is very hamfisted and dragging out the obvious eventual plot (chip.head.pain.medic.girl.fix).

Its telling that basically no one has a motivation beyond 'we left so we didn't get murdered' and it isn't really left with anything beyond that. I just don't know where its going to go for 10 more episodes..?

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Its a shame the setting doesn't have some sort of inbuilt explanation for that.

Like some kind of mystic energy field guiding peoples destiny or something.

That'd be neat, we could call it The Schwartz.



Snark aside, apparently that isn't THE Rancor that belongs to Jabba, the one that Luke kills. It's just A rancor (People are already theorising that Obi-Wan kills it in his show).

Really though, I see it more as through-lines, it's about making the universe feel singular and connected, despite the many different stories and styles there are.

And, how many people really know, unless they know? To most people is Kanan, Kanan, or just a Padawan?

And the sisters might as well have been an introduction to people too, probably prepping for their inevitable TV show.
   
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 Compel wrote:

Really though, I see it more as through-lines, it's about making the universe feel singular and connected, despite the many different stories and styles there are.

See I don't think it does any of that, to a degree that I actually had to sit and think what you could possibly mean by 'styles' in this context, and drawing a big red blank at 'different stories.'

The universe seems small- the sisters exist to make a link to their contact for later (and the audience gets to see that part, but not enough to ID the contact to give the 'tension' a boost).

But the 'story' is just the Nth iteration of: Plucky group shoots way to macguffin... ??... profit!
Where are the stories that aren't crossing paths with the Empire or Rebellion? The mysteries, romances, dramas, thrillers, anything beyond guns blazing 'adventure!' That's fine I guess, for the films. But the shows need to move on and break some new ground somewhere. Not just re-treading old ground and 'member berries.

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Voss wrote:
Also their 'sinister' reporting in about the clones to someone who is clearly going to turn out to not be sinister at all.

Going by the sash over the shoulder, I'm assuming the person they were reporting to was Bail Organa.

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Voss wrote:
 Compel wrote:

Really though, I see it more as through-lines, it's about making the universe feel singular and connected, despite the many different stories and styles there are.

See I don't think it does any of that, to a degree that I actually had to sit and think what you could possibly mean by 'styles' in this context, and drawing a big red blank at 'different stories.'

The universe seems small- the sisters exist to make a link to their contact for later (and the audience gets to see that part, but not enough to ID the contact to give the 'tension' a boost).

But the 'story' is just the Nth iteration of: Plucky group shoots way to macguffin... ??... profit!
Where are the stories that aren't crossing paths with the Empire or Rebellion? The mysteries, romances, dramas, thrillers, anything beyond guns blazing 'adventure!' That's fine I guess, for the films. But the shows need to move on and break some new ground somewhere. Not just re-treading old ground and 'member berries.


As much as I agree with the Sentiment, the Bad Batch was never going to be THAT show.

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 Easy E wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Compel wrote:

Really though, I see it more as through-lines, it's about making the universe feel singular and connected, despite the many different stories and styles there are.

See I don't think it does any of that, to a degree that I actually had to sit and think what you could possibly mean by 'styles' in this context, and drawing a big red blank at 'different stories.'

The universe seems small- the sisters exist to make a link to their contact for later (and the audience gets to see that part, but not enough to ID the contact to give the 'tension' a boost).

But the 'story' is just the Nth iteration of: Plucky group shoots way to macguffin... ??... profit!
Where are the stories that aren't crossing paths with the Empire or Rebellion? The mysteries, romances, dramas, thrillers, anything beyond guns blazing 'adventure!' That's fine I guess, for the films. But the shows need to move on and break some new ground somewhere. Not just re-treading old ground and 'member berries.


As much as I agree with the Sentiment, the Bad Batch was never going to be THAT show.


By THAT show, you mean one of dozens of options?
There could be an interesting story here about decommissioned soldiers, but SW doesn't have any real room for ex-soldiers. Like 40k, the conflict is pretty much perpetual.

The problem is its really plain where the end game is ('AH, my head!' Ad nauseum). Its just that in lieu of an interesting story, we're getting the penny tour of Star Wars land in the meantime (with cameos from nobodies, but Named nobodies), but not much else.
And sadly, the 'magic defects' (superhuman) clone squad just isn't very interesting. They're super one dimensional versions of the same guy, after all.

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I think it's more that this show has all the exact same options as all the others, just from a slightly different angle.

And I would agree.

One of the things that stood out to me in the last episode is the bar scene and how incredibly rare it is for the background characters of Star Wars to ever be more than background. We never really see much of life in Star Wars' galaxy because every series is about the same kinds of people doing the same kinds of things.

The MCU recently toyed with the idea of a sitcom. Surely Star Wars could do the same. Why can't we have an office comedy about Galactic Senate staffers?

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's more that this show has all the exact same options as all the others, just from a slightly different angle.

And I would agree.

One of the things that stood out to me in the last episode is the bar scene and how incredibly rare it is for the background characters of Star Wars to ever be more than background. We never really see much of life in Star Wars' galaxy because every series is about the same kinds of people doing the same kinds of things.

The MCU recently toyed with the idea of a sitcom. Surely Star Wars could do the same. Why can't we have an office comedy about Galactic Senate staffers?


I recall that Solo caught a lot of flack for not being Star Wars enough. It was your basic heist flick. No jedi, no space magic, no lightsaber duels. It still had the hooks of some of the mainline characters, and other roots to the universe though. How many Star Wars things can you remove before it stops being Star Wars? The franchise is epic space fantasy at its core. If you used all the world building to tell a story that’s not in that genre, will people watch it?

Probably depends a lot on the specific show they run with. Get a good cast with chemistry, almost anything will fly.

   
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Does that mean Bad Batch isn’t Star Wars enough? Other than the cameo in the very beginning we’re running Jedi free. Or is that brief cameo enough to tick the box?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Does that mean Bad Batch isn’t Star Wars enough? Other than the cameo in the very beginning we’re running Jedi free. Or is that brief cameo enough to tick the box?


I was speaking more in generalizations. For example, my son did not care much for Solo, for the lack of Star Wars-ness.

He however loves the Bad Batch. He grew up watching the Clone Wars, and the prequil movies are more his thing than the OT. So for him, clones=SW.

I wasn’t a big fan on them in S7. They felt like Team Fortress:SW edition. I’m enjoying the new series though. Not expecting much, but it delivers entertainment.

   
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 Nevelon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
I think it's more that this show has all the exact same options as all the others, just from a slightly different angle.

And I would agree.

One of the things that stood out to me in the last episode is the bar scene and how incredibly rare it is for the background characters of Star Wars to ever be more than background. We never really see much of life in Star Wars' galaxy because every series is about the same kinds of people doing the same kinds of things.

The MCU recently toyed with the idea of a sitcom. Surely Star Wars could do the same. Why can't we have an office comedy about Galactic Senate staffers?


I recall that Solo caught a lot of flack for not being Star Wars enough. It was your basic heist flick. No jedi, no space magic, no lightsaber duels. It still had the hooks of some of the mainline characters, and other roots to the universe though. How many Star Wars things can you remove before it stops being Star Wars? The franchise is epic space fantasy at its core. If you used all the world building to tell a story that’s not in that genre, will people watch it?

Probably depends a lot on the specific show they run with. Get a good cast with chemistry, almost anything will fly.


MCU says YES.

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I actually thought Solo was perfectly fine without Jedi and lightsabers. But then again some of my favorite stuff from the EU are the Rogue Squadron books. Sure, you get a bit of the Force and lightsabers injected into it with Corran Horn, but every other part of the series is solid Star Wars dogfighting and space battles.

Not EVERY thing needs lightsaber battle crescendos to be true to Star Wars. Actually I feel the weakest part of Star Wars is the slavish need to tie everything to the Jedi somehow, in every single setting and time period.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually thought Solo was perfectly fine without Jedi and lightsabers. But then again some of my favorite stuff from the EU are the Rogue Squadron books. Sure, you get a bit of the Force and lightsabers injected into it with Corran Horn, but every other part of the series is solid Star Wars dogfighting and space battles.

Not EVERY thing needs lightsaber battle crescendos to be true to Star Wars. Actually I feel the weakest part of Star Wars is the slavish need to tie everything to the Jedi somehow, in every single setting and time period.


I feel like Solo was a case of people said they wanted something and then they said "not like that though!"

I definitely want more non-force Star Wars. The one thing that really sucked about Solo were some of the goofy gimmicks and forced dialogue, but it wasn't bad. I don't remember it being accused of not being Star Wars enough either. The big thing it was accused of was being lack luster and coming out after the Last Jedi when everyone was down on the franchise. Solo was better than the Last Jedi though imo, and Rise of Skywalker. Their suckiness probably helped with its 'so okay it's average'-ness but it wasn't a bad movie and I'd rather have more Solo than more of whatever the sequel trilogy was.

   
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My only problem with Solo was the need to give backstory to every single aspect of his character in a single movie.

 
   
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Much as I genuinely like Solo (it’s a perfectly good film), I do wish it had been a tv serial instead.

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On the latest episode of Ah, My Head!

Spoiler:
Wrecker: Ah, My Head!
Rex: Uh, you ok there buddy?
Hunter: Yeah, he’s fine.
Rex: You’ve… You’ve all had your brain chips removed, right?
Tech: Pft! No! We’re totally immune to those!
Wrecker: Ah, My Head!
Hunter: Completely immune!
Echo: Except for Crosshairs who tried to murder all of us.
Rex: Yeah, ok, y’all are coming with me right this instant to deal with this so I don’t have to shoot any of you morons.

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I'm shocked.

Spoiler:
Wow, they actually solved the big plot arc at the halfway point.

Why'd it change his speech pattern, though?
I get that its a mind control chip and all, but... it seems a little small to erase all individuality and personality traits as well as force obedience to specific orders and make logical connections to associates of people not following orders.


Now, um? Be clones, do crime? I guess?

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I wouldn’t call it the big plot arc. I think that’s Omega, who is still largely unexplored. Also resolving their chip issue now means they can also try to rescue Crosshairs and yank his. There’s plenty left to cover.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I wouldn’t call it the big plot arc. I think that’s Omega, who is still largely unexplored. Also resolving their chip issue now means they can also try to rescue Crosshairs and yank his. There’s plenty left to cover.


Its really the only plot arc they've had. Omega is functionally a mystery box at this point. She could save them all with power of love*, be a secret Jedi, a virus that will disable all the 'regs,' or be a super secret ultra-mega war goddess. It kinda feels like it doesn't matter, and will end in a kidnapping and climatic rescue, and then they (the survivors) fly off to join the rebellion and do... things... and maybe stuff... in the next crossover show.


*I will laugh and laugh and laugh if this turns into a Macross-inspired 'fusion' and she's the Minmei to the clones' Zentradi.

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I’m still expecting Omega to be a Palpatine clone.

I think her Kiwi accent is a deliberate red herring, something she picked up from living with Fett Clones, and not inherent to her nature.

This will start to tie the three trilogies together

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