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New CSM models Inc

1 new Psyker with an anti-Psyker aura.

Greater possesed +1 Str aura. Edit for <Daemon><Legion>

New Oblits

Think we will get access to any of them?

Edit: I forgot the spider thing.

Venomcrawler- Maulerfiend with more attacks but lower S does have 2 weapons that use S though.

And the new Malefic Discipline.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
New CSM models Inc

1 new Psyker with an anti-Psyker aura.

Greater possesed +1 Str aura.

New Oblits

Think we will get access to any of them?

I doubt it, but oblits would be sweet if they're not massively overcosted. Greater possessed might work well with daemon prinves and tzaangors.

 small_gods wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
New CSM models Inc

1 new Psyker with an anti-Psyker aura.

Greater possesed +1 Str aura.

New Oblits

Think we will get access to any of them?

I doubt it, but oblits would be sweet if they're not massively overcosted. Greater possessed might work well with daemon prinves and tzaangors.

Oblits look like they will be reasonably priced 6 PL so 120ish points for 1 model.

Greater Possesed only get +1 to str to units with Daemon keyword, so Tzanngors on disks would benefit but not regular Tzzangors.

 small_gods wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
New CSM models Inc

1 new Psyker with an anti-Psyker aura.

Greater possesed +1 Str aura.

New Oblits

Think we will get access to any of them?

I doubt it, but oblits would be sweet if they're not massively overcosted. Greater possessed might work well with daemon prinves and tzaangors.

Tzaangors aren't daemons, so there's no synergy there.

Ahh my mistake, for some reason presumed they were. Possibly worth trying with Enlightened, especially if you're already running flamers and a fateskimmer as I am. Str 7 -1 ap 2D isn't bad with the spears.

I think 120 is overcosted when they were 65 before and only get 50% extra shooting. Although one unit of 3 with VotLW and EC might be worth it. 105 would be more reasonable imo.

Oblits at 120pts would be paperweight. These guys have 4 wounds at T5 / 2+ / 5++... A Helbrute costs 120pts for 8 wounds at T7 / 3+, and it's NOT considered good.

Both units will hug cover, but one has 24" guns, the other 48". Damage-wise, they're identical vs Rhino but the Oblits have the upper hand vs hordes / Primaris.

The Oblit can Deepstrike. Helbrute cannot.

Honestly, I would never pay more than 100pts for 1 Oblit, that would be silly. Let's hope their cost is closer to 15pts / PL rather than 20.

Depending what the new discipline is, a spearhead of the new master of possessions and 3 solo oblits could be a great addition to our army, adding a whole new psychic discipline to the table.

Oblits come in units of 1-3 and are considered separate units after they deploy.

Probably best to stick them on midfield objectives and use thier firepower as supporting fire.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Oblits come in units of 1-3 and are considered separate units after they deploy.

Probably best to stick them on midfield objectives and use thier firepower as supporting fire.

Does this mean they need to deepstrike as one unit or can we split them when we set them up in deep strike reserve?

topaxygouroun i wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Oblits come in units of 1-3 and are considered separate units after they deploy.

Probably best to stick them on midfield objectives and use thier firepower as supporting fire.

Does this mean they need to deepstrike as one unit or can we split them when we set them up in deep strike reserve?

They have to deployed at the same time but not in coherence with each other.

Here's the image for the model in Shadowspear, it might have additional options. Plus some others.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Oblits come in units of 1-3 and are considered separate units after they deploy.

You might want to read their rules again. Oblits never become separate units. It's Greater Possessed that work this way.

Do we have any leaks into the Malefic discipline? It could potentially be VERY interesting for Thousand Sons. The Phobos one is out but it only applies to PHOBOS units, but the CSM datasheets don't have any weird keywords so we could get good use of them.

What makes you think TS would have any access to malefic?

 BoomWolf wrote:
What makes you think TS would have any access to malefic?

Not Sons themselves, but a CSM detachment led by the new guy. With the keywords that the new CSM units have, the Malefic discipline could be easily targeting HERETIC ASTARTES units, at which point the Master can buff our Sons. And being able to play with a full fourth psychic discipline in the army of psykers excites me.

If the marine one is any signal it may only effect units with both the adeptus astraties and demon keywords. The marine one has leaked and the ones that target friendlies need to have the phobos keyword.

Azuza001 wrote:
If the marine one is any signal it may only effect units with both the adeptus astraties and demon keywords. The marine one has leaked and the ones that target friendlies need to have the phobos keyword.

In a Thousand Sons list that would include Daemon Princes, all our dudes on discs (Ahriman, Exalted sorcerers, shaman), Tzeentch Enlightened, our Daemon Engines (Defiler, Forgefiend, Helldrake) and the obliterators to bring the Master in a nice spearhead detachment. And of course Magnus as well. I'm so game.

Nym wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Oblits come in units of 1-3 and are considered separate units after they deploy.

You might want to read their rules again. Oblits never become separate units. It's Greater Possessed that work this way.

You are correct sir!

topaxygouroun i wrote:Do we have any leaks into the Malefic discipline? It could potentially be VERY interesting for Thousand Sons. The Phobos one is out but it only applies to PHOBOS units, but the CSM datasheets don't have any weird keywords so we could get good use of them.

Been keeping an eye out nothing yet.

topaxygouroun i wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
What makes you think TS would have any access to malefic?

Not Sons themselves, but a CSM detachment led by the new guy. With the keywords that the new CSM units have, the Malefic discipline could be easily targeting HERETIC ASTARTES units, at which point the Master can buff our Sons. And being able to play with a full fourth psychic discipline in the army of psykers excites me.

I'm with boom wolf here we probably will not get access to the spells. You will probably need to have appropriate <Mark of Chaos> and <Legion> for the spells same as the Greater possesed.

Here is the Venom Crawler which I'm hoping we get.

Gents I give you Malefic spells

Incursion seems pretty great to get a large group of flamers up front to clear some chaff.

They all seem really good, with a special nod to cursed earth. He just stands there and all legion deamons get a +1 to invulnerable to a max of 3++?

So tson deamon princes would be 3++?!? Defilers, or maulerfiends could be as well?!? Thats crazy.

Yeah Enlightened Tzzangors all get a pretty good boost to durability.

Looks like Thousand sons, nurgle and fallen got the short end of the stick here. We are specifically unable to use our legion as a legion keyword for the new stuff.

I'm pretty unhappy about this. My excitement went from 10 to zero real quick.

 Sasori wrote:
Looks like Thousand sons, nurgle and fallen got the short end of the stick here. We are specifically unable to use our legion as a legion keyword for the new stuff.

I'm pretty unhappy about this. My excitement went from 10 to zero real quick.

I'm not really surprised we would have gotten so much from this it would have been crazy.

We probably wont even have access to the spells.

Can't say I'm that surprised.

CSM are CSM and Oblits are Oblits, we couldn't use them previously so why would we be able to now all of a sudden?

Greater Possessed are essentially a Possessed-character. We can't take Possessed, so I didn't expect us to be able to take Greater Possessed either.

The Master of Possession would be nice to have, but I can see why they chose to prevent us from taking him. Fluffwise it's a bit of a stretch, and I'm not really sure we need a 4th discipline.
I wouldn't complain though, but alas...

The only thing that doesn't make sense to prevent us from having is the Venomcrawler, as it's essentially a Daemon Engine. With that said, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over the fact that I can't add one to my Thousand Sons, as I'd probably never field one anyway.

Agreed, this is a buff for generic chaos, not us. Besides, i don't think i would have wanted to play vs us or nurgle with the new stuff. Our deamon princes could have been at a 3++ just by being near the master of possession, and think of how tough nurgle stuff could have gotten, ugh.

Also TSons covered in spikes and skulls wouldn't look right. Plus those greater possessed would need to be more beaky and less claw like.

 small_gods wrote:
Also TSons covered in spikes and skulls wouldn't look right. Plus those greater possessed would need to be more beaky and less claw like.

Less crab claw more bird claw...

So to switch gears a bit from the new CSM leaks, I had two games over the past two weeks where I used a larger mob of Rubic Marines (16 to be exact). I have to say to anyone who likes Rubrics, the large block worked really well. The force multiplier of VotLW, dark matter crystal, and buff spells on one large unit really shines over two small units of 9 which i ran before as their bolters are so deadly with the -2 ap in concentrated fire with VotLW and prescience. Also the DMC can be used turn 1, so dropping them on a flank can really cause issues to your opponent. I would suggest trying out a block of them.

As for the CSM leaks, I did not expect to get anything from the new release. Hopefully we will get some new models in the future, especially since we lack so much in elites and fast attack.

Also is anyone else planning on using an allied force of Scourged CSM? I use to play tzeentch CSM with rubrics before thousand sons existed so I am excited to to have rules for Scourged. Probably not the most competitive way to play, but should be fun.