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Right, I checked out this blogsite made by this disgruntled guy who seems to think everything he hates....sucks, without question. I dunno, he might've been a member here in the past or something I dunno.

Anyway, all he does is bash adepticon and talk about how its ruining the hobby. I've actually been to adepticon and think its a great event.

Anyway, with this blog doing all it can to smear Adepticon, I figured it would be an interesting subject to talk about here were if you make a post that makes Adepticon look good with a valid point that might prove naysayers wrong and ACTUALLY HAVE IT NOT BE MODERATED before it hits the masses.

What does dakka as a whole think of Adepticon, what are your observations/experiences and how do you feel after you get home from it?

...most importantly are you going this year? why?...do you expect it will be a fun filled weekend?

can you link to it? hard to judge this guy's compalints without seeing them.

I too would like to read the blog.

This year will be the first year I'm attending and I'm really excited about it. My tickets, hotel, and pass are bought, so unless the blog has proof they murder babies at Adepticon, I'm going.

Better there is no link....since this is a jab at someone.

BF's got a good point however.

Speaking FOR adepticon....I've always HATED the gladiator since the first time I played in it. (forgeworld gaming just doenst send me) however, since they've since stuck the BFG tournement on friday, that allows me to play in IT instead of the Gladiator.

That AND I dont have to miss the RTT in order to play in the Gothic tournement. Win/win for me.

...also, basically I love tournements. Adepticon (and Yaks FAQ) does their collective best at making an actual tournement with some clarification of the rules that a competetive tournement would need. Thats my opinion. Its fun and loads of it.

Something that the naysayers of adepticon forget is that a weekend tournement isnt just for gaming and competing. Its also simply for nerding out with old friends that you see only once or twice a year along with meeting some new friends...to still nerd out with and drink beers. Whatever the hate is toward the FAQ's, how the game allegedly gets screwed up by this particular tournement situation, or how many A-holes you wind up playing at Adepticon (this is another of the alleged problems with adepticon), the fact remains, if you can simply take the game for what it is...do your best at competing...AND just try to have a good time with new and old friends...You're going to have a blast at Adepticon. Thats why its good for the hobby. It's good because it promotes us all getting together after building armies to enjoy our hobby.

If you're hardcore competetive and thats all you care about in this game and tournements....you probably arent that welcome anyway. Let the rest of us have our fun.

Beerfart wrote:Right, I checked out this blogsite made by this disgruntled guy who seems to think everything he hates....sucks, without question. I dunno, he might've been a member here in the past or something I dunno.

Anyway, all he does is bash adepticon and talk about how its ruining the hobby. I've actually been to adepticon and think its a great event.

Anyway, with this blog doing all it can to smear Adepticon, I figured it would be an interesting subject to talk about here were if you make a post that makes Adepticon look good with a valid point that might prove naysayers wrong and ACTUALLY HAVE IT NOT BE MODERATED before it hits the masses.

What does dakka as a whole think of Adepticon, what are your observations/experiences and how do you feel after you get home from it?

...most importantly are you going this year? why?...do you expect it will be a fun filled weekend?

I assume you mean Stelek's "Yes the truth hurts". Stelek's full of hot air and is one of those people that thinks his opinion is the only valid opinion and therefore anyone else is wrong, no matter what evidence they can bring forth.

No namecalling please, this is actually a worthwhile topic...especially if one wants to speak PRO-ADEPTICON. Better to ignore the jab at Stelek (really ignore Stelek altogether) and simply discuss the Pro's of Adepticon. (or con's if that's your thing)

So what is Adepticon?

pretty much the biggest tournement in the U.S. right now.

ah, is this stelek we are talking about?
if so its pointless trying to argue with him, his oppinion is allways right
well, he think so.

best off ignoring him, he doesent have a good word to say about anyone or anything unless he likes it.

also, thanks to him being like this he got himself banned for life from dakka

Fair enough. Non-GW run I assume?

Is there anything else to do at it? Going purely on the name, it strikes me it might be a sort of Tournament based Games Day?

id probubly make an effort to go to atepacon, but my generalvuew on convensions is alot of down to earth people, but there are allways the people taking things way too far and seriously.... i remember a card convension i went i ended up gettin shucked out and havin a fight with an obsesive cos i had a sugestion to better his deck....

i dono if theres anything that big in scotland, i think there is like 1 or 2, but thats it..... there IS warhammer world, but its way down in the land of ing.....(england) alot of travlin not a couple of
days and its not cheep being a student in the oil capital of the UK.... lol

yes, its an Indy tournement(s)

40k/Fantasy RTT's
40k/Fantasy Team tournements
Gladiator
some other fantasy competition
Gothic RTT
Bloodbowl Competition
LOTR
seminars
painting competition
Tons of other stuff.....


In short...over the course of a 3 day weekend its Gaming overload with the possibility of participating in 3 full tournements (up to five games in one day!) over the course of the weekend.

Several retailers and GW staff has attended the last several for Q&A.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Fair enough. Non-GW run I assume?

Is there anything else to do at it? Going purely on the name, it strikes me it might be a sort of Tournament based Games Day?

There's also Modeling, Sculpting, and Painting Seminars, Space Hulk, the more obscure GW games(Warhammer Histroicals of varying ages, including Western), Apocalypse, Blood Bowl, and Necromunda.

And somebody wouldn't like that because?

Sure, I consider tournament gaming to be the spawn of satan, hence why I don't attend them (buggered if I'm paying to inflate some cheese monkies ego!). But Adepticon, with more to do sounds like a laugh.

Well, I've read some pretty scathing stuff about Adepticon in my day, and I've heard rave reviews of it. I think it's hard to objectively say it's good or bad, but it's a major hobby event that brings in hundreds of people and encourages some pretty incredible hobby work.

I've actually heard that Adepticon is too cutthroat and too casual, too hobby centric and too gaming centric, and both great for the community and the great satan that will devour tournament gaming in the US.

I've never been, and even if I did, I'd just be one more voice in the crowd. I do know that most of the rants about Adepticon (aside from people who simply didn't like it) tend to be either very vague in their critiques or spend most of the time focusing their ire on the FAQ. The FAQ does raise soem legititame issues, but even there I think it's only 10% of the beef, the other 90% is standard "nobody can tell me what to do" type anger.

Deadshane1 wrote:pretty much the biggest tournement in the U.S. right now.

First off, it is the largest GW event in the world. The 40k team tournament on Saturday has over 300 players.

What “he who shall not be named” does not like is the Adepticon FAQ. He has hated it for over a year now. I suspect because if you are not playing the game his way, you are playing it wrong. The funny thing is that the Adepticon FAQ is meant it get rid of having a judge come over to make a ruling, because both players know what the rules are ahead of time. He had a fit on his blog after the ‘Ardboyz tournament because of a bad ruling from a judge. That is exactly what the FAQ tries to get rid of.

Can't speak for Adepticon, but i've got friends going this year who are probably gonna have a good time

My problem with the FAQ is the "rule changes". I don't mind clarifications or RAW rulings on certain subjects. I think that part of it is a great idea for a tournement. But any Rule Change is wrong. They didn't write the game and they don't have the right to re-write the rules. That and there are more than a few contradicting rulings on clarifications/RAW decisions makes me majorly inclined to not want to use the document. Plus the document to me seems to encourage rules lawyering. Just my opinion.

Hulksmash wrote:They didn't write the game and they don't have the right to re-write the rules.

Actually, according to GW, we do. They blantantly state in the DA FAQ that if we don't like a rule, change it or don't use it. GW says their rules are a "guideline", not a hard line set of rules. That's the problem with any tournament using their rules and why Rules Changes may be needed for a smoother competitive game.

Hulksmash wrote:They didn't write the game and they don't have the right to re-write the rules.

Of course they do. It's their event, and they can do whatever you want. And you can do whatever you want in response to that.

Anyways, you've seen what large it's supposed to be. The purpose of the FAQ is to take all the points of contention that have arisen within the GW ruleset and have them addressed before the event starts. That cuts down on the number of judges that have to be offhand in order to keep the game rolling smoothly, and eliminates the problem of different judges giving different rulings on the same issue.

Hulksmash wrote: Plus the document to me seems to encourage rules lawyering. Just my opinion.

'Rules-lawyering' (Also known as 'arguing for an interpretation that I don't want to play by') isn't a bad thing as long as it is done before someone even makes a list. In fact, making sure that everyone is playing by the same rules before anyone makes a list is a good thing.

When it is bad is, at a crucial point of a game, someone gets told that 'That's not the way I play the game'. That leaves a sour taste in both player's mouth and accusations of the other person being a bad person because they don't play the game 'correctly'

How does it encourage Rules Lawyering?

Strictly speaking, it should pretty well prevent the worst excesses of the Rules Lawyer. How? The Rules Lawyer will argue for which ever point he feels benefits him the most in that moment. The FAQ, which is open to comment, critiscism and content from the online community (NOT just someone sat in a basement on their jack jones) clears up as many ambiguities in the rules, no matter how tenuous they might be (for example, the rules mention he a lot, but rarely she. One could argue that said rules do not affect a female opponent...) so that all players can write their list with a single interpretation in mind.

I think he shall not be named got pissy because a ruling went against him one time and he blamed a major loss on that. Could understand it if money was at stake, but it's not.

Going to Adepticon (I live in Chicago, after all) makes me slightly interested in playing
40k. However, then I wander over to the Fantasy tables and get some sense knocked
into me

It's a really fun event. It's not GW run, but GW seems to like their style since
Jervis and others have come to do late night talks. I think he even showed yakface
some drawings of the Eldar models back before the 4th edition codex was
released.

In additional defense of the FAQs, yak and the FAQ team have been publicly thanked and had their changes merged into mainline 40k rules before, so they must be doing something right

link the adepticon faq I want to see rule changes.

Hollismason wrote:link the adepticon faq I want to see rule changes.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/227779.page

It's right there stickied at the top of News and Rumors.

It's a large event run by people who do it just because they want to. I can't think of a better background for something like this. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think they give you fair warning beforehand.

The thing about the FAQ is threefold:

1) both players know the rules and how they are played at Adepticon ahead of time. It saves a lot of time at the table.

2) There will be some rule changes you like and some you don't like. Read the FAQ ahead of time and design your armies accordingly to deal constructively with the rule changes you don't like.

3) You just use this FAQ at Adepticon. If you really don't like it then save your time/money and don't attend. In my area where I game no one is planning to use the FAQ for local events/leagues.

Yakface conducts a lot of research and I think this is where most of the rule changes stem. Personally I would like to see less rule changes in the future but it is not a big deal to me. The FAQ is a great tool for Adepticon and helps to make the games flow a lot smoother overall.

G

Blackmoor wrote:
First off, it is the largest GW event in the world. The 40k team tournament on Saturday has over 300 players.

isnt games day the biggest? im not 100% sure, but the GWs take games day to heart, and its pretty damn big....

I had fun and would probably do it again.. but... there seemed to be some favoritism towards people/teams that have been there before... would love to know why our theme/painting scores were so low... We had some quality stuff there.

IRPurple wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:
First off, it is the largest GW event in the world. The 40k team tournament on Saturday has over 300 players.

isnt games day the biggest? im not 100% sure, but the GWs take games day to heart, and its pretty damn big....

Not sure about largest "event." Largest TOURNAMENT, however, is without question: 96 teams @ 4 people each = 384 40k players, with a 100 player WHFB event going on simultaneously. And that's JUST Saturday.