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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229555.page

No name calling, just a spirited debate about Orks.

It seems like it was shut down for "We've run this topic into the ground."

#1. If that were true then there will be no new posts.
#2. No one is making anyone read the thread. If you think the topic is done to death guess what, don't read it.

So my question is, why is why was it locked?

Becuase the topic was run into the ground?

Honestly the lock was right that thread was like a merry-go-round.

Don't worry though theres an 'overpowered ork' thread every two weeks or so.

My point is that Moderators should error on the side of caution and only lock a topic as a last resort.

I know I have not come here much in the last 2 months, but has Dakka suddenly become Warseer?

If a thread has wandered way off topic, or had multiple people reporting the thread for abuse, or people breaking the rules of conduct, then fine, lock the topic.

The thread that was locked was still on topic, after 6 pages, and IMO should not have been locked.

Blackmoor wrote:My point is that Moderators should error on the side of caution and only lock a topic as a last resort.

I know I have not come here much in the last 2 months, but has Dakka suddenly become Warseer?

If a thread has wandered way off topic, or had multiple people reporting the thread for abuse, or people breaking the rules of conduct, then fine, lock the topic.

The thread that was locked was still on topic, after 6 pages, and IMO should not have been locked.

Hahahaha......


If you only knew.

I totally agree, that thread was remaining fairly civil and was an interesting discussion that I was frequently going back to.

....until a MOD decided that to many people have been posting. "Topic has been run into the ground", I.E. "I'm bored with this subject so I'm locking it." Talk about heavy handedness.

I though the Orks and Mindwar thread was similarly handled.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229070.page

Iorek locked them both... guess he's the heavy hand of Dakkax2

apparently he has something against discussion about broken ork codexes.

Lets be fair, there is a point to be found in his argument. This issue has been gone over so many times and keeps getting brought up again and again, which suggests it's an argument which no one is ever completely going to agree on. So basically arguments about the ork ruleset don't serve much else other than to create unnecessary animosity, which obviously isn't in the interest of the forum.

In a sense if someone in the modelling forum can be told to search before he asks 'how to strip paint,' for example. Why can't someone who wants to know the issues with the ork ruleset?

it was a dead end situation.
everyone was stcking to thier guns, it was pointless to keep going.

Pointless?

have you ever seen the "Survivor Games" topic section.

Since when have pointless threads been in need of locking?

If people are entertained by posting there in a civil manner, and so long as SOMEBODY beleives that the topic is worth hashing over, there is a reason to keep the thread open.

whatwhat wrote:In a sense if someone in the modelling forum can be told to search before he asks 'how to strip paint,' for example. Why can't someone who wants to know the issues with the ork ruleset?

That is a bad analogy. You cannot "interpret" paint. The only new threads on the topic will be those who post entirely new methods (does that ever happen?), or how to use new products (more likely to happen).

Rules change with time, and do so frequently. General painting procedures largely do not.

jhrovii wrote:

whatwhat wrote:In a sense if someone in the modelling forum can be told to search before he asks 'how to strip paint,' for example. Why can't someone who wants to know the issues with the ork ruleset?

That is a bad analogy. You cannot "interpret" paint. The only new threads on the topic will be those who post entirely new methods (does that ever happen?), or how to use new products (more likely to happen).

Rules change with time, and do so frequently. General painting procedures largely do not.

As far as I can see the arguments about the ork codex have been the same for a long time. Maybe the release of the guard codex could bring some new light to it, as of now it's just the same old s***, different day.

whatwhat wrote:

jhrovii wrote:

whatwhat wrote:In a sense if someone in the modelling forum can be told to search before he asks 'how to strip paint,' for example. Why can't someone who wants to know the issues with the ork ruleset?

That is a bad analogy. You cannot "interpret" paint. The only new threads on the topic will be those who post entirely new methods (does that ever happen?), or how to use new products (more likely to happen).

Rules change with time, and do so frequently. General painting procedures largely do not.

As far as I can see the arguments about the ork codex have been the same for a long time. Maybe the release of the guard codex could bring some new light to it, as of now it's just the same old s***, different day.

....and if you're bored with the topic, there's no requirement to enter the thread. Some people still enjoy beating a dead horse...and have interesting points to make.

Of course you're right, better we fill DAKKADAKKA with threads like.

"Can someone answer a question for me? Are Chaplains Fearless?" and "Someone help me pick an army."

THAT makes for MUCH more interesting reading than an ongoing debate about the powerlevel of the Ork codex.

It's not a debate anymore though it's just a bunch of people on a self righteous crusade to prove their side of the argument is correct.

Kind of like this thread?

Erm not really, this thread is about an issue which was raised when that thread was locked a few hours ago, not an issue which has been squeezed for every drop it's got until it has became 'who can carry on arguing longer than the other?.'

No one is making you read threads if you think people are just re-hashing old subjects.

My point is that it is not the place for the MODs to lock threads unless there is a breach in protocol. The community should decide when a thread is over, not the MODs. When people are done with a topic, then the thread naturally falls to the bottom of the page and is lost to history. It is not their place to say what is worthy of debate, and what is not.

To sum up what I am saying is that some MODs have a quick trigger finger to locking threads that have no business to be locked.

whatwhat wrote:...arguments about the ork ruleset don't serve much else other than to create unnecessary animosity, which obviously isn't in the interest of the forum.

And that was my point.

Deadshane1 wrote:Kind of like this thread?

hahahaha

Pretty much, yeah...

I have to say as someone who was arguing with black and shane i was going back to the thread regularly and was enjoying a civil conversation on peoples opinions. I find it rather heavy handed. Just wanted to pop in and add in as someone on the other side of the arguement in the above mentioned post.

some people still enjoy beating a dead horse...

I know I sure as hell do...

Anyways, I agree with Blackmoor with this one. A thread should not be locked unless it has broken the rules of conduct. If there was no new information to debate over then why would they talk about it in the first place? I know of several Guard rumours threads which I have not even looked at aside from the original post in which I realised it was the same rumorical wishlisting that had been going on for months. And guess what, that was MY choice. I didn't need a moderator to let me know that this topic had already been "hashed to death" and so I didn't partake in its discussions. However, many people did indeed think that this topic had not been hashed to death and the thread gladly went on to be 7+ pages, with no mod lock on any of it.

Its a sad day when a mod tells someone they have said to much about a topic they enjoy, only to people who share their passion. Its not your business to moderate their likes and dislikes. I think the thread should be re-opened.


PS: Thats where Blackmoor was hiding, I was wondering where dakkas squirrel had gone.

PSS: Anyone know what happened to Stelek? (PM me so as not to drvive the thread off topic or create a new thread altogether if you wish to answer)

Blackmoor wrote:No one is making you read threads if you think people are just re-hashing old subjects.

My point is that it is not the place for the MODs to lock threads unless there is a breach in protocol. The community should decide when a thread is over, not the MODs. When people are done with a topic, then the thread naturally falls to the bottom of the page and is lost to history. It is not their place to say what is worthy of debate, and what is not.

To sum up what I am saying is that some MODs have a quick trigger finger to locking threads that have no business to be locked.

Y'know, mods are people to. The site is rather busy now and we get quite a few notifications from users about different threads. If someone sends a notification saying that a thread has devolved into the same arguments being said over and over again, it is often the gut reaction of the moderator (myself included in this) to agree with whatever complaint has been brought up about the thread. In other words, if someone sends you into a gallery and says: man the art in there sucks, there stands a much better chance that you'll walk into that gallery and agree with them because now you'll be looking to see how much the art sucks.

It doesn't mean that the "mods" (as some big block of people, which they aren't) are heavy-handed, its just that in an effort to keep things civil and approachable sometimes we may take some action that in hindsight is perhaps a bit OTT. However, rather than making a post about it, why not contact Iorek directly via PM? Just as some people notify a moderator that they think a thread deserves to be closed if you contact a moderator and politely explain why you think it deserves to be re-opened we often will.

yakface wrote:However, rather than making a post about it, why not contact Iorek directly via PM? Just as some people notify a moderator that they think a thread deserves to be closed if you contact a moderator and politely explain why you think it deserves to be re-opened we often will.

I'm guessing the post was (at least partially) motivated by a desire to see if there was some consistent scheme being applied of which we weren't aware, e.g., a "thread's over" rule. You nicely answered that concern.

Thread's over; better lock it!

Don't listen to Yakface! He's just a faceless (or, rather, yakfaceless) part of the establishment!

It's a conspiracy!!!!!!!!

BYE

yakface wrote:
Y'know, mods are people, too.

PFfft...

Anyway, it's no big deal. I've unlocked that thread so if someone wants to continue the discussion they can.

In the future if you don't think a thread deserves to be locked PM the moderator who locked the thread and make your case why it should be reopened.

If the moderator happens to have not posted before locking (which we're trying to do now, so hopefully this shouldn't happen to often), they you can just PM any moderator or administrator instead.

Happy posting!

yakface wrote: If someone sends a notification saying that a thread has devolved into the same arguments being said over and over again, it is often the gut reaction of the moderator (myself included in this) to agree with whatever complaint has been brought up about the thread.

That is the reason why I asked the question here. I have never heard that you lock threads because some people may or may not be re-hashing topics that have been gone over before. I thought that a thread had to break one of the rules to get locked.

yakface wrote: However, rather than making a post about it, why not contact Iorek directly via PM?

The main reason why is above and I wanted to hear other peoples opinion of what should be locked, and what shouldn’t. But more importantly I wanted to hear the MODs and your thoughts on the reasons why a thread should be locked.

There are a lot of lame posts, and silly questions here, and I just ignore those posts, but should they be locked just because I don’t like them or a disagree with what is being said? Of course not.

Janthkin wrote:[
I'm guessing the post was (at least partially) motivated by a desire to see if there was some consistent scheme being applied of which we weren't aware, e.g., a "thread's over" rule. You nicely answered that concern.

That is about it. I did not know that there was a "Thread over" policy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't listen to Yakface! He's just a faceless (or, rather, yakfaceless) part of the establishment!
BYE

He is only faceless because you live in Australia. I see his face plenty.

jhrovii wrote:

whatwhat wrote:In a sense if someone in the modelling forum can be told to search before he asks 'how to strip paint,' for example. Why can't someone who wants to know the issues with the ork ruleset?

You cannot "interpret" paint.

I am very sorry for this post. However: Manure. Paint is very much open to interpretation. I hear it all the time between different things I have painted, and those that others have painted. So long as people can have an opinion about a thing, then that thing is open to interpretation.

Not so sorry for this post: If the traffic is too much for people to be taking the care that the proles need, then either the traffic needs restriction or the mods need to be augmented. Probably with additional mods, but I wouldn't pass up a laser targeter eye.

Also, in the next breath, I have to say that Iorek has unlocked a few threads at my request. He has also ignored me a few times, which I very well might have merited. I think that he at least reads the requests, so don't be shy about asking him to unlock. Also, quite a few of the "modlock" posts I see encourage people to contact them via PM if they want a post unlocked.