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 Mort wrote:

2) GW plans to 'rebox' them and lower the mini-count/up the price, as they've been so nice to do for us in the past.

This is the most likely; we know the human/chaos factions are in the starter box, so it makes sense they'll be updated somehow. I'm assuming if we're going to a smaller model count game, these boxes will be repacked into 5's for about the same price. Maybe with some cosmetic changes to make them look different to historicals?

Is that even possible, with the way that the sprues work? I've never seen those models on the sprue, so I wouldn't know, but many boxes require all the sprues to be present to actually make any models at all. Excepting the command sprue.

A new look means a new kit.

More WD pages:







A few bases can be spotted.

And, I must confess, their "no info" policy is working on me... I feel both excited and ashamed to admit it

All the fluff is suggesting the scale will get bigger??

"Large units of models not only achievable, but also hugely desirable to model and paint"

You smoking that plastic crack now GW? Painting horde units is a chore, no matter how much you like painting.

I really hope GW aren't going to make the game bigger??? I thought we were getting a Skirmish game?

You were really thinking that GW was going to want to sell you fewer models?!?

The latest edition of WFB really pushed fro those giant infantry blocks (which could then, bafflingly enough, be somewhat easily removed during the bonkers magic phase).

It is hard to conceive of a GW that really does wnat to sell you fewer of anything.

40K moved away from this back when 2nd switched to 3rd, and WFB has been doing it steadily from the start.

Anything small scale and skirmish gets the Specialist Treatment.

Even though a Gateway Game makes sense - I think!

Still, we'll see - in a few weeks!

 Bottle wrote:
I thought we were getting a Skirmish game?

Why?

Like we thought we'd be getting WFB 9th, not Age of Sigmar?
Like we thought we'd be getting End-Times style combined factions?
Like we thought we'd be getting multiple game-modes?
Like we thought we'd be getting a narrative game of a small band of heroes running around End Times fights with random Meteors falling on them?
Like we thought we'd be getting "Forces of Light" vs. "Forces of Evil".
Like we thought Fantasy 9th Edition would come out Summer 2014, Fall 2014, January 2015, April 2015, etc..
Etc...

I think the only thing certain is that GW's secrecy is working and the last 12th months of Fantasy rumours was just one big troll-party. Why should "skirmish-rumours" be different?

I thought corporate GW had finally learned large model games can put people off from beginning rather than simply raises sales as players are "forced" to buy more.

So does everything suggest that AoS and 9th are going to be two different games with two different sets of rules? I was going to pre-order AoS but I think I will wait until the dust settles now.

 Bottle wrote:
I thought corporate GW had finally learned large model games can put people off from beginning rather than simply raises sales as players are "forced" to buy more.

That's because the "rumours" which suggested something along those lines never originated from GW, but from random people insensibly framing sensible/seemingly predictable things as fake-rumours.

Things sounded sensible, because they were echos of what the community thinks (and writes about), not echos of what GW may or may not have been doing.

Rumours aside, 9th does not exist until GW announces it.

They have announced AoS. But they haven't stated what it is. Though it does thematically follow-on from End Times.

That's where we currently are until next week's WD.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I thought corporate GW had finally learned large model games can put people off from beginning rather than simply raises sales as players are "forced" to buy more.

That's because the "rumours" which suggested something along those lines never originated from GW, but from random people insensibly framing sensible/seemingly predictable things as fake-rumours.

Things sounded sensible, because they were echos of what the community thinks (and writes about), not echos of what GW may or may not have been doing.

Another major problem with GW's silent marketing strategy. Nature abhors a vacuum, so if there's no information officially from GW, it comes from elsewhere. Whether that information is correct or not is immaterial, as peeps make decisions based on that information, which only hurts GW.

 obleeke wrote:
More WD pages:

Stop! Stop! I can't take it any more!

For the White Dwarf team, Warhammer is a way of life.

What a tragic fate.

Not that I believe it, tho.

MaxT wrote:


Another major problem with GW's silent marketing strategy. Nature abhors a vacuum, so if there's no information officially from GW, it comes from elsewhere. Whether that information is correct or not is immaterial, as peeps make decisions based on that information, which only hurts GW.

Still stupid if people make assumptions about GW or GW products based on rumours, which we all know by now, should be taken with a lot of salt and be considered speculative unless there's something official on GW's website or in a White Dwarf. There're seemingly still quite a few vacuums in some people's skulls that nature seems to accept.

GENERAL WARNING FOR EVERYONE

I'd suggest dialing back the hyperbole and not skirting the edge of RULE #1 going forward.

Thanks!

 Alpharius wrote:


Anything small scale and skirmish gets the Specialist Treatment.

Even though a Gateway Game makes sense - I think!

Still, we'll see - in a few weeks!

This is what I've said in the past. AoS will be a Specialist game. It will be a bridge game between 8th and 9th. It would make a great intro game to bring new players into Warhammer if they didn't immediately discontinue it (which they will, because that's what they do). We'll get an official announcement about Warhammer 9 within 2 weeks of the release of AoS.

I am intrigued indeed.

"Warhammer is a way of life.....We aren't done yet, not by a long way."

Your'e god damn right.

So perhaps AoS will be akin to Kill-Team in 40k? Aka a page or two or rule tweaks to the massive-scale game, but otherwise quite secondary to it?

Herzlos wrote:

 Mort wrote:

2) GW plans to 'rebox' them and lower the mini-count/up the price, as they've been so nice to do for us in the past.

This is the most likely; we know the human/chaos factions are in the starter box, so it makes sense they'll be updated somehow. I'm assuming if we're going to a smaller model count game, these boxes will be repacked into 5's for about the same price. Maybe with some cosmetic changes to make them look different to historicals?

Unless they make the minimum unit sizes into 5, that's not happening.

What's with the square bases in those WD pics?

Don't tell me people on the internet have been making stuff up and guessing again! [shockedface]

Gw makes more money by getting more players. We will see a smaller scale skirmish game simply to get new players into the game. Once they are hooked then they come around and sell you the AOS "apoc" which will be the 9th edition of WHFB. Massed battles wont go away they will come with a supplement to bring them back. SO those of us who have piles of models for fantasy will be able to play our massed battles but gw now has a Segway into getting people to eventually drop 2k down on a fully fleshed out army of 3k. The current state of fantasy is you have to drop at least $500 to get to a playable army now you can piecemeal it up to that point(which is far more acceptable to new players) while playing the game the whole time. They WILL sell us piles of minis that concept isn't going anywhere but they need to find a way to sell piles of minis to new players thus the skirmish game Segway. Sure it may end up being herohammer, so be it. 8th edition isn't going anywhere and people are going to keep playing it(at least in my area).

As far as kits being pulled, yeah im sure new sculpts for SOME of it will come out but im pretty positive it is just a repackaging of the kits and upping the cost. It has been done by GW in the past and makes sense with them wanting to gouge us more on overpriced yet excellent minis, imo. Things like the chaos warriors need new sculpts and will get them but the old ones will be usable. I am fairly certain of this because of what I have been told by a reliable source. A reliable source who WANTS to sell me new minis, so for him to say you don't have to buy any new ones is not his game. Im sure he would rather it be the case that I buy all new stuff but he wouldn't go so far to blatantly lie about it. He would rather me keep buying small amounts of minis here and there then lose me(being the veteran customer who spends money) entirely as a customer. The boxes will be repackaged into smaller numbers as you will need less to play AOS but have to buy more and more boxes if you want to play massed battles. That's the gw way.


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 RiTides wrote:
What's with the square bases in those WD pics?

bases wont matter in AOS, square or round all the same

 obleeke wrote:
More WD pages:

Spoiler:

A few bases can be spotted.

And, I must confess, their "no info" policy is working on me... I feel both excited and ashamed to admit it

Everyone needs to remember, these pics aren't of what is to come. These are pics of what was. These are not a confirmation either way as to what AoS really is. In all honesty, these are probably pics they already had for Visions/WD/ET fluff that they used previously.

Until we get images from the WD that will come out July 4, we will get no real idea of what AoS really is. Still totally surprised that images haven't leaked from a book yet - with ET Archaon, we had images from different parts well before the release. Really surprised with how under wraps GW has kept it.

HobbyBox wrote:

Everyone needs to remember, these pics aren't of what is to come. These are pics of what was. These are not a confirmation either way as to what AoS really is. In all honesty, these are probably pics they already had for Visions/WD/ET fluff that they used previously.

Until we get images from the WD that will come out July 4, we will get no real idea of what AoS really is. Still totally surprised that images haven't leaked from a book yet - with ET Archaon, we had images from different parts well before the release. Really surprised with how under wraps GW has kept it.

So what were the WD photos from a few months back with Skaven Screaming Bells and Plagueclaws on Knight bases? "Leaks of things to come"?

 Kanluwen wrote:

HobbyBox wrote:

Everyone needs to remember, these pics aren't of what is to come. These are pics of what was. These are not a confirmation either way as to what AoS really is. In all honesty, these are probably pics they already had for Visions/WD/ET fluff that they used previously.

Until we get images from the WD that will come out July 4, we will get no real idea of what AoS really is. Still totally surprised that images haven't leaked from a book yet - with ET Archaon, we had images from different parts well before the release. Really surprised with how under wraps GW has kept it.

So what were the WD photos from a few months back with Skaven Screaming Bells and Plagueclaws on Knight bases? "Leaks of things to come"?

it was said that was purely for aesthetics. its a display army, round bases look better on units not locked up in blocks

 RiTides wrote:
What's with the square bases in those WD pics?

These are pictures of current units. This is a look at Warhammer as it is today. It'll be next week's WD that'll provide some confirmation. Whether that's confirmation on bases is yet to be seen. Officially, there is no change to bases at this time.

 Accolade wrote:
So perhaps AoS will be akin to Kill-Team in 40k? Aka a page or two or rule tweaks to the massive-scale game, but otherwise quite secondary to it?

Only rumour and probably not. 7th ed 40k skirmish is like the Dark Vengeance boxset - 500 point games in a box with a smaller sized rulebook.

 silent25 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Have we reprinted this from BoLS yet?

We also have this piece of information from “Mikhael” indicating just how much of a change Age of Sigmar may be:

Regarding Age of Sigmar Product Changes

Retailers have been informed that these kits are will be pulled shortly after Age of Sigmar ships:
Empire Free Company
Empire State Troops
Empire Handgunners / Crossbowmen
Empire Great cannon / Mortar
Reiksguard / Knightly Order Box

Khorne Chaoslord on Juggernaut
Galrauch
Marauders of Chaos
Warriors of Chaos
Chosen
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth

Seems a shame to lose all those Empire foot troops, at least Frost Glaive seems to fill the gap of rough and ready medieval troops.

The Empire troops are all generic late medieval/renaissance troops that GW is trying to move away from IP wise. More surprised the great swords aren't on the list as they fall into that category as well. Suspect they are moving away from the Conan/heavy armor look of chaos as well. Not sure what will replace both factions.

I'm not sure that they will loose those units. Looking at the list it looks like the empire and chaos will be the first ones to get new models.
It will probably be the two armies in the box. I don't want to have to scramble to buy up empire units if they suddenly say "let's stop selling all the empire troops" I'd be pretty upset since my empire army is only about 500-750 points right now...far from the 2500 I want.

Hopefully we get more news soon on this so I can be the state troops and more crossbowman before I can't anymore

Given that "the Empire" is no more, it makes total sense for GW to redo the packaging if not the contents. I don't believe GW can cut the model count, as GW now designs boxes as a single sprue.

I don't understand why GW would have pulled the Khorne stuff, except to remove the square bases.

Herzlos wrote:

 Mort wrote:

2) GW plans to 'rebox' them and lower the mini-count/up the price, as they've been so nice to do for us in the past.

This is the most likely; we know the human/chaos factions are in the starter box, so it makes sense they'll be updated somehow. I'm assuming if we're going to a smaller model count game, these boxes will be repacked into 5's for about the same price. Maybe with some cosmetic changes to make them look different to historicals?

Sounds like something they would do! Remember when you could get a huge box of Urukhai for super cheap then they halfed the number in the box but kept the same price...they've done that with 40k stuff too right?

Maybe that means get as many boxes of state troops and chaos warriors when you can!

On this recent warhammer app advert they show an icon that has half being 40k imperial and half age of sigmar. Not to read into it too much but I think it's an interesting choice for design. Perhaps just to show what is currently revealed for fantasy or it could be that AoS is the overall title for fantasy going forward.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/THE_WARHAMMER_APP.html

Reading all of that WD stuff I got exactly zero news or information.