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Like most (I hope) I am rather sceptical, and rather worried, by the recent attempts by the BNP to become a respectable political power. Its attempts to shrug off its image as being comprised primarily of football hooligans has been rather depressing, in that some people are being taken in this shiny new sheepskin coat whilst failing to see the rabid wolf underneath.

However yesterday I stumbled upon this video via another forum. It's a documentary that was shown of SKY1 last month. If the BNP thought this would help show them as a respectable party with views in tune with normal folk then all I can say is this has backfired in the most spectacular fashion. I'm amazed the the BNP even agreed to it. Bear in mind that Sky1 is owned by Rupert Murdoch who also owns Fox News, so this is not a cleverly edited lefty conspiracy piece. Most of these comments cannot be taken out of context, it's pure hate and hypocrisy.

If you are in any doubt of the BNP's true face or know anyone who is starting to sympathise with these hatemonger's then place watch this or send the link to your friends. If a person can still sympathise with the BNP after seeing this then there is no hope for them.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6145793487676011977&hl=en

I watched about five minutes. Had to turn it off. That kind of blind racist idiocy makes me sick.

jerks

Trouble is, they prey on the undereducated to get elected. Look at the areas where they become councillors. Sink hole estates taught a bizarre siege mentality by the media, constantly telling them the reason they don't have a job is due to those damned immygrunts, and certainly not because the lazy aresholes won't get up from in front f the telly and try to better their lot in life with additional education or training and then getting a job.

I always thought If america got too bad I'd move to England I always had the image of it being a really tolerant place.

BloodofOrks wrote:I watched about five minutes. Had to turn it off. That kind of blind racist idiocy makes me sick.

Me too. Incidentally when that woman at the beginning was banging on about the BNP being all her own I honestly expected her to start saying "My Precious" before turning into a fat middle aged version of Gollum.

Its difficult to watch but I'm glad I did. If nothing else its made me all the more determined to fight them. God help any BNP member who comes canvassing at my door!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Trouble is, they prey on the undereducated to get elected. Look at the areas where they become councillors. Sink hole estates taught a bizarre siege mentality by the media, constantly telling them the reason they don't have a job is due to those damned immygrunts, and certainly not because the lazy aresholes won't get up from in front f the telly and try to better their lot in life with additional education or training and then getting a job.

QFT. It's no suprise that the poorest areas of the contry see the bigest support for these people. Which is why its all the more important to spread the word about thier hatmongering roots.

Next time you hear somone say the BNP is not racist (and I have!) never be tempted to give it a moments credibility.

9:17 make my wife actually sick. What do they have against Asians?

That is classy.

How much impact do they have on the national political process? We have some racist organizations in the US (no, really, we do) but they have little pull in national politics.

Asain = Paki? what is this? I thought it was derogatory for Pakistani, but I guess not.

sexiest_hero wrote:I always thought If america got too bad I'd move to England I always had the image of it being a really tolerant place.

Mostly it is.

The BNP is a tiny minority party which has failed to get more than a few local councillors elected.

However, there is a strand of racism in any country, inflamed by the kind of "Foreigners are coming to steal our jobs and women" headlines in the right wing gutter press. Funnily enough, these are middle class papers more than the traditional working class papers.

Things have been inflamed recently by a case where an Italian company got awarded some kind of engineering maintenance contract and would only hire Italian workers. (In the UK, I mean.) No-one can understand how this is legal when the EU guarantees freedom of movement of labour.

In a time of economic hardship these kind of pressures will get stronger and racism is likely to increase.

The trouble is the BNP is playing on realistic fears of the people in an unrealistic way.

Jobs are being taken up by immigrants at an alarming rate, while immigration has always introduced competition in the job market that rate of immigration and the recemt history of discrimination against indiginous workers, particularly in the public sector, is making a lot of people upset and afraid for their futures.

Stories like 'I was refused entry to the police because I was white' are commonplace. In attempts to apply what is refered to as positive discrimination, people are being challenged over opportunities and are increasingly reticent.

Then along comes to BNP which covers these points neatly, but only because their doctrines against too loose an immigration policy and overtolerance of PC dogma are a subset of their gross intolerance to any immigrant community.

Sadly because companies and political parties both are afraid to tackle such issues as runaway immigration for fear of being seen as racist, it is left to the real racists such as the BNP to speak out. They have little to lose after all.

This is only the beginning, and it can only lead to far greater trouble in the future unless the issues that drive people to the BNP are addressed by the major parties.

sexiest_hero wrote:9:17 make my wife actually sick. What do they have against Asians?

Really? 9:17 made your wife sick? Of all the many things that woman said in that video that could be considered offensive, I thought what she said at 9:17 was pretty tame in comparison. And I haven't even watched the whole thing yet.


I don't know though. It's hard for people who are so clearly idiotic to offend me or get me very riled up.

Ahtman wrote:

Asain = Paki? what is this? I thought it was derogatory for Pakistani, but I guess not.

For a start 'Asian' has a different definition in the US and UK.. What you call 'Asians' (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese etc) we call orientals. In the Uk Asian means, loosely, from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and similar ethnic groups.

Calling an Asian a "Paki" is very derogatory, mainly through the reason this word is used. Its equivalent to the N word*, the main difference being that Asians will not call each other Paki by and large.

Furthermore Paki is short for Pakistani, but is also a reference for persons of anyonwe from the Indian subconteinent, including those from India itself, this is doubly offensive because India and Pakistan hold a semi hostile border (they still shell each other occassionally) and different religions.
Calling an Indian a "Paki" is like calling an Israeli Jew a "rag head".

Basically, its a no go term.

*This was removed by the censortron, though added here only as a informative term. Now I know there is a censortron Paki should definately be on the same ban list that n----r is on.

Orlanth wrote:For a start 'Asian' has a different definition in the US and UK.. What you call 'Asians' (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese etc) we call orientals. In the Uk Asian means, loosely, from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and similar ethnic groups.

I thought so but wasn't sure.

I think the last time I heard it used was in the context of someone who was actually from Pakistan so it just made sense.

Orlanth wrote:India and Pakistan hold a semi hostile border

That is a bit of an understatement now isn't it.

Orlanth wrote:Calling an Indian a "Paki" is like calling an Israeli Jew a "rag head".

In the US that term isn't used for Jews but Arabs. We have other exciting names for Jews.

Kilkrazy wrote:

However, there is a strand of racism in any country, inflamed by the kind of "Foreigners are coming to steal our jobs and women" headlines in the right wing gutter press. Funnily enough, these are middle class papers more than the traditional working class papers.

Things have been inflamed recently by a case where an Italian company got awarded some kind of engineering maintenance contract and would only hire Italian workers. (In the UK, I mean.) No-one can understand how this is legal when the EU guarantees freedom of movement of labour.

In a time of economic hardship these kind of pressures will get stronger and racism is likely to increase.

In that particular case a French company had awarded a contract to an Italian company. It's arguable if these jobs could even be classified as 'British'. Many British companies have sites abroad, often for example in the Middle East. Do they employ the locals? My guess is no. In fact if they did I'd be willing the same hypocritical papers would again be kicking up a fuss.

In fact with regard to the 'coming over here taking out jobs' argument I cant remember the source but I believe the number of Foreign workers in Britain is somewhere in the region of 4 million, however the numbers of British workers working abroad is something like 5.5 million. So were actually better off. If free trade died tomorrow and all workers in the world returned to their country of origin, things would actually be far worse off!

Now just to highlight my own lack of prejudice I have just been informed that my own job is to offshore to another country in the EU. No rather a kicking and screaming about bloody foreigners I am actually taking some solace in the fact that a whole world of opportunity awaits outside the UK should I choose to look abroad for work (and I am considering it). The free market is more a blessing than it is a curse and I'm amazed that some seem to think that the opportunity for top professionals to work abroad is offset by a few polish builders.

After watching the whole thing I get the impression this is the party Alan Moore based the party in V for Vendetta off of.

Calling an Asian a "Paki" is very derogatory, mainly through the reason this word is used. Its equivalent to the N word*, the main difference being that Asians will not call each other Paki by and large.

paki's
brit's
aussie's


notice something forming here?
each is just a simple name chop from the country.

now, everyone uses brit and aussie alot, yet this changes now?

sorry, but all the racial and PC crap does go too far at times, its getting to the point now where people cant even speak anymore, what happened to freedom of speech?

the BNP are trying to bring about some decent ideas, but the way in which they are doing so it a tad too extreme.
feel free to judge me based on my comments, i dont have a problem with how i was raised.

JD21290 wrote:

Calling an Asian a "Paki" is very derogatory, mainly through the reason this word is used. Its equivalent to the N word*, the main difference being that Asians will not call each other Paki by and large.

paki's
brit's
aussie's


notice something forming here?
each is just a simple name chop from the country.

now, everyone uses brit and aussie alot, yet this changes now?

I would inmagine this is why the word context was created.

Trouble is, Paki is often used completely inaccurately.

Used by the racist morons to basically cover anyone from the region of the Asian Subcontinent, including Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Gujaratis, Sri Lankans and so on.

It's a general sign of the inherent moronicy of racism, and is generally used with venom and intended to be derogetary.

true, but if you walk into a room and call a person a paki, aussie or brit, im sure i know which one would cause an uproar.



just on a random note: 10% + of southamptons population is now polish, they even print a local newspaper in polish now aswell since most cant read english.
now going back 5 years that wouldnt even be 1%.

I don't like to engage in schadenfreude, but it's going to be interesting to see the results of immigration on western europe. The US has tons of racial issues, and we've been working on them for generations. Watching you guys have to start from almost scratch is going to be interesting.

JD21290 wrote:
notice something forming here?
each is just a simple name chop from the country.

Erm sorry, decent logic but missing in its application.

'Aussie' is not a derogatory term, neither is 'Brit'. Paki is a shortened term, but as explained above it lumps all persons from the Indian subcontinent together, i.e.; labelling, and the word from there has taken on a meaning of being derogatory.

I don't actually think there is a derogatory terms for Brits except for Limey or Pom, neither of which cause much offence, and both have historical rather than race deregration sources.

doc, heres an example mate, and something that did piss me off:


last week i went to the job center with a mate of mine, she was just looking about.
there was a man at the dest asking about jobs, he was african, could baely speak a single word of english, but as soon as the lady behind the desk said he couldnt have a certain job as he didnt have the qualifications he accused her of being racist towards him.

look in the local news papers:

2 white yobs commit a racist assult on a man.
yet if its the other way around then its fine, its just an assult.

its going too far now, and its just getting even worse as time goes on.

JD21290 wrote:true, but if you walk into a room and call a person a paki, aussie or brit, im sure i know which one would cause an uproar.



just on a random note: 10% + of southamptons population is now polish, they even print a local newspaper in polish now aswell since most cant read english.
now going back 5 years that wouldnt even be 1%.

When my mom was growing up, her neighborhood was roughly half polish and half Italian. It's now (40+ years later) almost entirely Arabic. As long as you integrate immigrants into your culture, you're stronger for it in the end. The American Melting pot isn't the best analogy, but part of our patriotism and nationalism is to compensate for not having a native National Culture. We're only American's because we live in America.

Actually wrong JD.

Any assault between peoples of nominally different races (and there was me thinking our race was 'human') is treated as if racism has played a part.

Indian on Pakistani, Black on Asian, White on Black etc, all treated exactly the same. It's the media once again distorting and sensationalising stuff because they have no integrity left anymore, and just want to sell sell sell.

JD21290 wrote:

paki's
brit's
aussie's


notice something forming here?
each is just a simple name chop from the country.

now, everyone uses brit and aussie alot, yet this changes now?

sorry, but all the racial and PC crap does go too far at times, its getting to the point now where people cant even speak anymore, what happened to freedom of speech?

the BNP are trying to bring about some decent ideas, but the way in which they are doing so it a tad too extreme.
feel free to judge me based on my comments, i dont have a problem with how i was raised.

No offence but I've heard this argument before and its total nonsense. As some others have said the context is very important. This has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.

There is a huge difference between a term of affection and an insult no matter how similar they appear to be. I can call my friend 'Baldy' because of our friendship however I cant still called a random stranger 'Baldy'.

As for the Paki argument an Asian preinds of mine has the nickname of 'El Pak' which is a play on the term Paki. However only his friends get to use it and its can be described as 'taking it back'. It's not however a license for strangers to call him Paki and nor should it be. Just because 'Paki' and 'Aussie' are similar phonetically that doesn't make them the same in terms of context.

JD21290 wrote:doc, heres an example mate, and something that did piss me off:


last week i went to the job center with a mate of mine, she was just looking about.
there was a man at the dest asking about jobs, he was african, could baely speak a single word of english, but as soon as the lady behind the desk said he couldnt have a certain job as he didnt have the qualifications he accused her of being racist towards him.

look in the local news papers:

2 white yobs commit a racist assult on a man.
yet if its the other way around then its fine, its just an assult.

its going too far now, and its just getting even worse as time goes on.

Ok that’s just one example if an Idiot playing the race card. That’s no proof of some conspiracy to put white people out of work. Using Isolated incidents as 'proof' of anything is not only poor debating but just the kind of tactics we have seen recently from the gutter press.

As for the example of the local press, well I can't comment fully without serving indicdual stories but a person attacking someone of a different race is not necessarily a 'racist' attack. The motivation behind the attack is always the key. If I catch my GF in bed with a black man and punch him that’s not a racist attack. In fact if the law were to prosecute that as a reac related offense then I would admit the system was broken. But I don’t think I've ever heard of a case where it has been. Incidently I've seen plenty of reports of Racist attacks on white people.

In fact every single 'PC gone mad' court case or local council ruling I've ever come across in the press has been total rubbish. For example the farcical lies every year about school and business banning Christmas which emerge in the gutter press year after have been proved time and time again to be total lies and yet people lap this crap up. The gullibility of some people to almost anything the Daily Mail/Express/Sun/Star newspaper claim is positively terrifying.

doc, as soon as something goes wrong people tend to scream racism to get things going thier way, ive seen this alot now.

As long as you integrate immigrants into your culture, you're stronger for it in the end.

sorry, but i dont want more immigrants in this country.
local pubs and clubs are being torn down to accomodate more housing for more people, which in turn means more traffic.
and in london thanks to that there is now congestion charges.

going back 40+ years here it was alot different, my nan was recently brought into a hospital for a hip operation.
she had a black nurse tending to her at the time.
she felt uncomfortable about this as she was not used to it, she asked for another nurse and was simply told to stop being racist about it.
now, she has grown up all her life around white people, so having a black nurse was a shock to her.
and being branded racist for that is a joke.

she was brought up how she was, people cannot expect someone to change thier views over night because they are told so.

The BNP are getting more support because of the credit crunch, they even won a seat in kent. I wouldn't be suprised if their support increased as the economy gets worse, extremism always flourishs in turbelent times. History proves it over and over again, once the credit crunch passes their support will probarly fall.

A Nurse is a Nurse is a Nurse. They are all trained to do the job, so I'm afraid, intentionally or not, your Nan was actually being racist. The second a decision is made based purely upon the colour of someones skin or their 'race' thats Racism, and it needs to be stamped out.

Now, if it was a male nurse, I can understand her requesting a female one. There are legitmate reasons for such a request.

Doc, so if you have spent 80 years of your life thinking the same, you should suddenly change that because someone tells you to?
when she grew up the term "racist" wasnt even a word as such, there wasnt really such a thing.
she was brought up to call a spade a spade.

i understand the gender issues, but no, it was a female nurse.

Polonius wrote:I don't like to engage in schadenfreude, but it's going to be interesting to see the results of immigration on western europe. The US has tons of racial issues, and we've been working on them for generations. Watching you guys have to start from almost scratch is going to be interesting.

Immigration issues have been noted in Europe for longer than you think.

Some migrations occuring before the USA was founded and some even going back before the Americas was discovered have yet to be resolved to the satisfaction of all parties. Former Yugoslavia and Northern Ireland being two good examples, there are others.

However concerning modern migration issues there are still occassional backlashes in the UK from the first post colonial wave of immigration from the 1950's. There was some rioting in Birmingham two years ago based around confluicting communities that were settled from around that time. Immigration is such a big issue in France that their equivalent to the BNP wields influence in parts of the country. Occassionally the odd one or two far right MP's are elected in different European countries, usually on an immigration ticket, Italy appears to get more than most.

It is not only white extremism that causes problems on a large scale. Since the 1980s there have been calls amongst some groups for segregation and Islamic law within the UK, while initially refused point blank a toned down version of Sharia is currently being processed through the IIRC assize courts, on the grounds that Islamic law can apply if both parties agree. However it is transparent this is not what some groups will settle for. Bradford became so polarised that in 2003 the town council introduced 'busing' as used to help break the black white divide American cities in the 1960's. By and large the strrategies to combat segregationand polarisation are in place and by and large they work. However there are exceptions.

Some commuties are very much polarised and have been for many years. Glasgow especially, with segregation belonging loosely on religious grounds and more poiniently on whether you support Rangers or Celtic. Going into the wrong pub in Glasgow can be a dangerous mistake. So when immigrants arrive they have no hope of integration, as a result Scottish asians and blacks live in more of less their own self contained areas. However Glasgow is an extreme case. Its not quite as rough as Detroit but....