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http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186062

I especially like the post where analysis of probability is criticized because of luck. Math teachers everywhere are sad.

flamer kills (assuming it hits 6 marines, which is very likely): 1 marines. almost twice the better.

twice the better?
i thought only we have our own language? :(

I don't trust forums that aren't dakka. Warseer has pseudo mathhammer and rumors about IG repackaged boxes that make me sad, and B&C has gems like this:

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."

"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

OK - I'm sticking to dakka because this is obviously the only forum where people speak English...

ph34r wrote:I don't trust forums that aren't dakka. Warseer has pseudo mathhammer and rumors about IG repackaged boxes that make me sad, and B&C has gems like this:

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."

"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

Huh... I didn't know that Derrida wrote about wargaming...

Vale,

JohnS

OK - I'm sticking to dakka because this is obviously the only forum where people speak English...

i stick to dakka since:

1: i can read what 99% of people post
2: i think my language would get me kicked off any other forum lol.

Amen to that
Im surprised what they let through here

I bet there's a thread on Warseer right now linking to this thread where they're laughing at our cheese mongering.

ph34r wrote:I don't trust forums that aren't dakka. Warseer has pseudo mathhammer and rumors about IG repackaged boxes that make me sad, and B&C has gems like this:

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."

"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

I love it when armchair generals use Sun Tzu's and Clausewitz's theories and talk about abstract principles of war in order to sound "deep".

"Use your evaporating flank like a waterfall, cascading away from harm. Bend your army like a reed in the wind, using cover to lessen the blow. Like a rock against a rapids, challenging all assaulting foes with mighty vigor."

Interesting, shot for shot, a Flamer would appear to be better.

Shame he hasn't allowed for range, and flexibility of weapons....

Stupid Mathammer. Me, I trust to sheer bravado and luck, and I rarely go far wrong.

My strategy is throwing buckets of dice at my opponent's models. The ones that get knocked over count as destroyed.


I mean, uhh, eventually he'll fail all those armor saves. Yeah, that's what I meant.

I just tell the dice what to do, the rest just flows like the spring breeze. Then I can bend like a steel truncheon on the mountain of discontent. Take that Sonny Tzu!

Dakkadakka ftw because it turns my abbreviations yellow and says "For The Win [GEN]"!

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."
"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

HAHAQHAHALK:KAJSLFDJAHAHAHA!!!!!! Holy crap on a cracker, that is so awesome that it hurts my feeble mind to contemplate it! What ignoramous spouted this drivel? I want to give hime a hi-five for his absolute lack of language skills, but the balls to roll with it anyway! The part that hurts the worst, is that some other mental midgets out there probably nodded in agreement while reading!

Dakka is the only place on the web I will ever call home for the hobby. I post once in a great while at BoLS but you get such a group of whinny bitches over there at times that I can't stand it. I seriously feel like the only place with rational, intelligent people is this here great site. Every other site seems to have a few bright minds and the rest are drooling plebians that do nothing but throw temper tantrums.

I tried to read that warseer rubbish now thanks to a) their sheer stupidity and b) the fact im trying to do uni work, they have given me a headache, thanks Warseer....i feel a crusade coming on

ph34r wrote:I don't trust forums that aren't dakka. Warseer has pseudo mathhammer and rumors about IG repackaged boxes that make me sad, and B&C has gems like this:

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."

"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

I want the 1:30 of my life back that it took me to read that.

Seconded.

Gaaaah! Even when it's discussed by people who know what they're taking about all of that mathhammer/metagame crap makes me want to push freshly sharpened pencils into peoples' ears. It's just a game, and anybody who takes it that seriously should stop and go back to torturing cats in their basement.

Dakka has the best trolls ever!

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Dakka has the best trolls ever!

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LMAO!!!

warpcrafter:

Math-hammer is serious? I didn't know their lives depended on it... Now I know. Thanks!

A Marinesquad consists of 5 marines. How to very likely assume 6 hits?

Yep. I agree. It's not necessarily twice the better.

(I'm probably not one to talk though, in all honesty. )

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."

"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."
"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

Wow. I don't even know where I would start at correcting these posts.

Honestly, it's posts like these on other forums that keeps me away from those forums and coming back here. Usually even the bad posts here tend to be more comprehensible (just poor grammar/spelling, not poor grammar + trying to sound smarter than you are like in the above).

Gaaaah! Even when it's discussed by people who know what they're taking about all of that mathhammer/metagame crap makes me want to push freshly sharpened pencils into peoples' ears. It's just a game, and anybody who takes it that seriously should stop and go back to torturing cats in their basement.

How did you know about the cats?!?!?

Oh yeah and Jin, sweet avatar! Berserk FTW!

So few people understand the math behind the game; those that do, don't need to be preached at to get it.

Trying to post an intelligent discussion concerning probability theory on most gaming boards is like questioning the virgin birth of Christ at the Vatican; some how "luck" takes precedence over centuries of mathematical principles. You might as well discuss racial equality with Hitler, you'd find a more open mind.

Bitter much? Yeah, but then I'm an advanced math geek who's cast far too many pearls before the swine. Take my advice: do your best to ignore the ignorance you'll frequently encounter, value those you find who actually can intelligently discuss probability, and let what you know make you a better gamer (ignoring all the times that your army gets called "cheap" and "cheesy" because you seem to consistantly beat you opponant.)

Apparently maths isn't an exact science anymore. Who knew?
Although maybe they hold to the belief that maths is more akin to art than science.

Teufelskerl wrote:So few people understand the math behind the game; those that do, don't need to be preached at to get it.

Trying to post an intelligent discussion concerning probability theory on most gaming boards is like questioning the virgin birth of Christ at the Vatican; some how "luck" takes precedence over centuries of mathematical principles.

Seriously. The things some people say regarding "math-hammer" are beyond stupid.

"hey you say a plsma gun wil hit 1 time on but wut if it hits 2 times mathhamer dosnt work becaus its all abot luck you no"

You might as well discuss racial equality with Hitler, you'd find a more open mind.

Oops. Godwin's, we just lost the thread.

(Thanks a lot, now probability doesn't exist. )

All this time and I finally have discovered i've been posting on the wrong forum. Thanks for finding that thread, warseer here I come!

"Direction, for me, encompasses the recognition of the control/beatdown relationship but then breaking it and inflicting the reverse on the enemy so that the outcome is desirable for me. I have to do this because I am using a label whoms perameters are set/limited to a water army and I have to redefine them to suit my own style (what ever it is - we still dont know) A simple actual in game example of this is focus fire or shifting/sliding my forces laterally across the table."

"Thus the quality of the generals has changed, forced or contributed - etc - to the allocation of the beatdown/control relationship through direction and application, which, whilst enhanced by army composition, can be independant of it, or so I believe."

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean; although I do know what a "water" style army is.

Teufelskerl wrote:So few people understand the math behind the game; those that do, don't need to be preached at to get it.

Trying to post an intelligent discussion concerning probability theory on most gaming boards is like questioning the virgin birth of Christ at the Vatican; some how "luck" takes precedence over centuries of mathematical principles. You might as well discuss racial equality with Hitler, you'd find a more open mind.

Bitter much? Yeah, but then I'm an advanced math geek who's cast far too many pearls before the swine. Take my advice: do your best to ignore the ignorance you'll frequently encounter, value those you find who actually can intelligently discuss probability, and let what you know make you a better gamer (ignoring all the times that your army gets called "cheap" and "cheesy" because you seem to consistantly beat you opponant.)

Heck, I haven't taken a math class since high school, and I still understood the importance of math. I really don't get people who think that luck reigns supreme. Of course, I also don't understand people who like playing slots or the lottery either.

lambadomy wrote:All this time and I finally have discovered i've been posting on the wrong forum. Thanks for finding that thread, warseer here I come!

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