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Necrons have one unit that frustrates Tau: Wraiths. the other units not so much. Why?

Because we bring these. Bwa hahahahahaa. Too much fun

So anyone try the forge world tau SH I am wondering if it's worth it over than a storm surge

Oldmike wrote:
So anyone try the forge world tau SH I am wondering if it's worth it over than a storm surge

That thing is genuinely mean for anything other than apoc and/or very casual games. It is stupidly durable and very good offensively. Should have been much more than 600 points. Looks awesome though. If you can't get enough robot suits, go for it!

Just be aware that a lot of armies literally cannot handle it, and that is a very cheap 600 point deathstar.

Hey guys, new Tau player here!

I've got an unconventional army if anyone is interested in reviewing it, but that aside I have a viability question for the Firestream Wing formation.

So, my idea is this: using a full 5-model unit and stringing them out at maximum coherency so that one is always within 6" of a board edge. That way one could utilize the fusion blaster on the piranha anywhere on the board without risk of the unit being isolated too far from their escape edge.

Just a quick thought but I can't recall anyone ever discussing this before, so just throwing it out there to see what bites!

 GreenShoes wrote:
Hey guys, new Tau player here!

I've got an unconventional army if anyone is interested in reviewing it, but that aside I have a viability question for the Firestream Wing formation.

So, my idea is this: using a full 5-model unit and stringing them out at maximum coherency so that one is always within 6" of a board edge. That way one could utilize the fusion blaster on the piranha anywhere on the board without risk of the unit being isolated too far from their escape edge.

Just a quick thought but I can't recall anyone ever discussing this before, so just throwing it out there to see what bites!

So your two hundred point unit is contributing one BS3 Fusion Blaster to the fight?

No, that's garbage.

 raverrn wrote:

So your two hundred point unit is contributing one BS3 Fusion Blaster to the fight?

No, that's garbage.

Ah, yes, intriguing point! So glad for the civil conversation!

 GreenShoes wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

So your two hundred point unit is contributing one BS3 Fusion Blaster to the fight?

No, that's garbage.

Ah, yes, intriguing point! So glad for the civil conversation!

Garbage isn't too harsh. The idea is pretty bad.

Using that many pirhanas to make use of mobile impossible terrain might be cool, just be wary of krak (/str4) grenades. I.e. a fast unit cannot move fast if it is screened from some/all movement. Whilst it can engage the screening unit, you then get to control the situation.

Actually the Ta'unar isnt "as" broken as one might think. Dont get me wrong, its still undercosted, but i initially thought ~300 too cheap...now that i have one...i'd say ~100 or 150 tops.

7" D template is crazy good but it doesnt do all that much that the rest of our army doesnt already do. It kills numbers and vehicles, with an added potential to kill MCs or SHV due to the melta arm and D shot (though still not "that" reliable). It cant hurt GMCs for gak unless you roll a Deathblow, and GMCs are the main thing Tau suffer against in big games. SHV are vulnerable to melta spam, which Tau do alot of already, GMCs are all T8+ (except the SS) so our weapons all wound like crap or are very, very expensive for a 50-50 at very close range (meaning if we dont kill it, odds are our low RoF guns just went byebye).

Then...we look at this things durability. It does NOT die. T9, 10wounds, 2+ armor, 4++ in shooting 5++ in melee, FNP, and a unique ability to middle-finger a Deathblow once a turn. Its just hilarious how much gak this thing has tanked for me and even after 5 games with it i STILL havnt seen ti even get to critical wound levels let alone die. Including facing against Eldar D-spam (granted, wraithguard blow up before they get to him but theres still 1-2 WK with their guns and another charging down the battlefield...still didnt die lol)

Its undercost goes to its durability. Offensively, its not that crazy considering what it is.

Razerous wrote:

 GreenShoes wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

So your two hundred point unit is contributing one BS3 Fusion Blaster to the fight?

No, that's garbage.

Ah, yes, intriguing point! So glad for the civil conversation!

Garbage isn't too harsh. The idea is pretty bad.

Using that many pirhanas to make use of mobile impossible terrain might be cool, just be wary of krak (/str4) grenades. I.e. a fast unit cannot move fast if it is screened from some/all movement. Whilst it can engage the screening unit, you then get to control the situation.

Actually, this entire response if the garbage. People come here for advice, not to be insulted for daring to ask for it. Just saying.

 raverrn wrote:

 GreenShoes wrote:
Hey guys, new Tau player here!

I've got an unconventional army if anyone is interested in reviewing it, but that aside I have a viability question for the Firestream Wing formation.

So, my idea is this: using a full 5-model unit and stringing them out at maximum coherency so that one is always within 6" of a board edge. That way one could utilize the fusion blaster on the piranha anywhere on the board without risk of the unit being isolated too far from their escape edge.

Just a quick thought but I can't recall anyone ever discussing this before, so just throwing it out there to see what bites!

So your two hundred point unit is contributing one BS3 Fusion Blaster to the fight?

No, that's garbage.

Effectiveness does not even come into question. Formation says ALL SURVIVING MODELS must be within 6" of the board edge in order to leave. So you can't do what your thinking.

 GreenShoes wrote:

Ah, yes, intriguing point! So glad for the civil conversation!

This isn't grade school, you don't get a gold star for trying real hard. If you can't handle someone telling you your idea is bad then don't put it onto a public forum.

Jancoran wrote:
Actually, this entire response if the garbage. People come here for advice, not to be insulted for daring to ask for it. Just saying.

There's a pretty huge gulf between Trust me, if I felt like insulting someone it would be blindingly obvious.

And to contribute instead of just taking offense to others, here's the top Tau list from Adepticon. Ignoring the fact it's an illegal build, I really wish I'd have seen it in action. The markerlight distribution is really strange, but I kind of love the mass of OS missile suits.

 raverrn wrote:

And to contribute instead of just taking offense to others, here's the top Tau list from Adepticon. Ignoring the fact it's an illegal build, I really wish I'd have seen it in action. The markerlight distribution is really strange, but I kind of love the mass of OS missile suits.

interesting list.. I don't think it is that good honestly. Not enough markerlights to make sure you can do a good D alpha strike on hard targets. In my opinion.

Also.. the only "illegal" part is the commander, which I think is a cut and paste error.




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Nope I original thought the points didn't match but I did the math with a cost of 2 missle pods per suit.. redoing the math with twin linked.. yeah he is illegal



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How did this get past the list approval? lol

This year's Adepticon was plagued with army build errors, so much so that I'd go so far as to call them 'errors'. For example, the winning list was both illegally constructed AND over the points limit.

awesome!

arent you suppose to have your army verified by someone at tournies? its not that hard to sneak an extra ~100pts into a list and play it off like its normal price.

Nominally, sure. But between the several hundred people attending, the vague rules and the ballooning number of supplements, formations and decurions GW releases, that's an almost impossible job.

 raverrn wrote:

There's a pretty huge gulf between Trust me, if I felt like insulting someone it would be blindingly obvious.

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Okay tough guy.

Its sad to hear such a grand tournament is being run by Blood Bowl rules: "If you ain't cheat'n, you ain't try'n!"

SJ

4 Detachments? I was a TO at a tournament and we realized after round one that a guy had a bad list with an extra detachment in it. So we made him silently prize ineligible. That was our solution rather than create an odd number of players and have to mess with all that. We simply forfeited his games for him. =)

I understand that there were a lot of people and stuff but right around round 4, anyone with three straight wins needs to have their list looked at. They just have to. Because otherwise we are talking about this on the internet and their event becomes known as the "one you can cheat at".

 Jancoran wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

There's a pretty huge gulf between Trust me, if I felt like insulting someone it would be blindingly obvious.

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Okay tough guy.

Which is exactly what it is. Totally unnecessary. You're not wrong, but being right doesn't give you the right to insult people. Whether you can see that you did or not is sad but irrelevant to the fact that that is what you did.

To the OPs question, it's already been pointed out that it's not legal to do or particularly viable. You want your guys to be able to contribute substantially, not just a pot shot or two. We have 53 point deep striking suit squads that can do that better (and obsec an objective if you're FSE at the same time)


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 Jancoran wrote:
4 Detachments? I was a TO at a tournament and we realized after round one that a guy had a bad list with an extra detachment in it. So we made him silently prize ineligible. That was our solution rather than create an odd number of players and have to mess with all that. We simply forfeited his games for him. =)

I understand that there were a lot of people and stuff but right around round 4, anyone with three straight wins needs to have their list looked at. They just have to. Because otherwise we are talking about this on the internet and their event becomes known as the "one you can cheat at".

Honestly, I wish there was a way to just input it digitally. Battle scribe actually isn't awful. It does have some errors, but it would catch a lot of this stuff (or a similar program would). That could screen out a ton of the potential problems, though it wouldn't be a catch-all solution.

Probably not really the thread for all this in retrospect though.


I like what someone said earlier about the Tau'nar. It's true that the offensive output for the points isn't crazy (although my Tyrannic GMCs are still weeping silent tears in the corner). The problem is the durability. When you CANNOT kill it, it becomes a serious problem. Especially because 600 point deathstars should not be able to NEVER DIE and output that much firepower.

 Jancoran wrote:
Okay tough guy.

You'll get over it eventually. And when you stop playing PC police and instead contribute to the thread, I'm sure we'll all be fascinated.

luke1705 wrote:I like what someone said earlier about the Tau'nar. It's true that the offensive output for the points isn't crazy (although my Tyrannic GMCs are still weeping silent tears in the corner). The problem is the durability. When you CANNOT kill it, it becomes a serious problem. Especially because 600 point deathstars should not be able to NEVER DIE and output that much firepower.

It really is a solid chuck of shooting, though. Ten multimelta shots on a fast, tough platform is worth the 600 points all on it's lonesome. Adding in the ability to use markerlights and a 7" D shot and it's really over the top.

 raverrn wrote:

You'll get over it eventually. And when you stop playing PC police and instead contribute to the thread, I'm sure we'll all be fascinated.

Is this guy for real?

 Jancoran wrote:

Is this guy for real?

You need to learn to before you really put your foot in your mouth, mang.

Does anyone have any experience with Remoras in 7th? I have a pair of them and I've been toying with pairing them with my OSC Stealth Suits. I've been using the stealth teams with a 'vre Markerlight and two Marker Drones as a decent fairly tough additional markers. I wouldn't normally, but seeing as I have to take the teams it's not a bad way to keep them working.

 raverrn wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Is this guy for real?

You need to learn to before you really put your foot in your mouth, mang.

Does anyone have any experience with Remoras in 7th? I have a pair of them and I've been toying with pairing them with my OSC Stealth Suits. I've been using the stealth teams with a 'vre Markerlight and two Marker Drones as a decent fairly tough additional markers. I wouldn't normally, but seeing as I have to take the teams it's not a bad way to keep them working.

Hilarious. The courage of some people is ten fold on a forum what it deserves to be. I am just literally floored at what a tool you're being. The guy didnt make grand claims, he had an idea andf asked what we thought and its OK to tell him you wouldnt do it and why. Its another to come down like you are.

Your hard ass act is fun and all but you're why people outside of 40K hate 40K players. There's nowhere safe from this brand of bullying, is there? I don't care if you win NOVA, you don't get to treat people like that. If you're as smart as you hope, help the guy. Don't tear him down. Maybe a moderator needs to jump in here because it's their place to put people back in line, including me from time to time.

Be a resource if you're good. That's a better use of your time.

 Jancoran wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Is this guy for real?

You need to learn to before you really put your foot in your mouth, mang.

Does anyone have any experience with Remoras in 7th? I have a pair of them and I've been toying with pairing them with my OSC Stealth Suits. I've been using the stealth teams with a 'vre Markerlight and two Marker Drones as a decent fairly tough additional markers. I wouldn't normally, but seeing as I have to take the teams it's not a bad way to keep them working.

Hilarious. The courage of some people is ten fold on a forum what it deserves to be. I am just literally floored at what a tool you're being. The guy didnt make grand claims, he had an idea andf asked what we thought and its OK to tell him you wouldnt do it and why. Its another to come down like you are.

Your hard ass act is fun and all but you're why people outside of 40K hate 40K players. There's nowhere safe from this brand of bullying, is there? I don't care if you win NOVA, you don't get to treat people like that. If you're as smart as you hope, help the guy. Don't tear him down. Maybe a moderator needs to jump in here because it's their place to put people back in line, including me from time to time.

Be a resource if you're good. That's a better use of your time.

Hear, hear! I wish I could exalt this more than once!

To try to get the thread back on topic: Is the formation from Start Collecting! Tau Empire a good thing to include in a casual list? I'm wanting to play my Tau against a friend of mine, and I'm looking to take a more tame list since last time I ran a more optimized list I crushed him in 2 turns (granted, his Daemonkin list was not good). I realize that that formation is not tournament worthy, but is it ok for more casual play or should I avoid formations altogether?

i havnt heard anything about the formation in the start collecting box but the models are one hell of a buy on their own.

Even if you throw the Ethereal cost out the window and dont even factor him in, you are saving 40USD to get a Crisis squad and Firewarrior squad. Crisis trios are 75USD now, and Breacher/Striker boxes are 50USD. Thats 125USD before factoring in a character, which are usually 15-25USD depending on the model (i'd say hes 20 considering GW's "NEW FANCY MODEL!" overprice mentality).

I actually cant believe that box exists. The SM one isnt bad either, though the rest from what i know of their armies are badly mixed. The ork one...deffdredd...nuff said lol.

actually, if you use the FSE or Mont'ka supplements, it is a legal CAD, as it makes the crisis suits troops.

 Jancoran wrote:

Hilarious.

Oh man, you're getting really flustered over this. I'd say I'm sorry for having hurt your feelings, but I really don't want you to make me a liar.

I was correct. I was blunt. I wasn't especially unkind to Green himself, but you? If you can't handle someone being told they're wrong you need to learn that is a thing that happens or live eternally in impotent anger.

 raverrn wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Hilarious.

Oh man, you're getting really flustered over this. I'd say I'm sorry for having hurt your feelings, but I really don't want you to make me a liar.

I was correct. I was blunt. I wasn't especially unkind to Green himself, but you? If you can't handle someone being told they're wrong you need to learn that is a thing that happens or live eternally in impotent anger.

There is a line between blunt and rude that you crossed. Sorry that you can't see it but this has derailed a tactics thread for long enough.

You are right and yes you told the dude that he was wrong. But that doesn't mean that you get to be an asshat when you tell someone that they're wrong. There is a special kind of irony in the fact that you can see when other people are wrong but not when you are.

You can accept it or not but Jancoran is right. It's either time to move on or get a mod to tell you exactly what multiple people are saying - you were out of line and it's not acceptable to treat people that way.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i havnt heard anything about the formation in the start collecting box but the models are one hell of a buy on their own.

Even if you throw the Ethereal cost out the window and dont even factor him in, you are saving 40USD to get a Crisis squad and Firewarrior squad. Crisis trios are 75USD now, and Breacher/Striker boxes are 50USD. Thats 125USD before factoring in a character, which are usually 15-25USD depending on the model (i'd say hes 20 considering GW's "NEW FANCY MODEL!" overprice mentality).

I actually cant believe that box exists. The SM one isnt bad either, though the rest from what i know of their armies are badly mixed. The ork one...deffdredd...nuff said lol.

I actually already have one of the boxes, and yes it is a great deal as far as the models. Especially since I got it from eBay for only about $65. The formation gives a special move as long as the unit moving is within 12" of the Ethereal. I feel like it may be tame enough for casual play, unlike some other formations (like the OSC or Riptide Wing). I guess I just answered my own question , although part of the point was to get the discussion in this thread back on the topic of Tau tactics rather than hurt feelings.