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It reminds me of BTech Aerospace fighters, so I guess that’s why I like it.

timd wrote:
From the producer of the finest gaming models in the world? Even 1/285 scale gaming model planes have airfoil wing cross sections, but GW can't manage it on flyers that are five times larger?

/rant...

That's because those model planes are models of real planes that are real and really fly in the real world.

Real.

Imperial Navy aircraft are models of fake planes that are fake and don't really fly in the real world because they're fake.

Fake.

40k is full of stuff that doesn't work. Look at a Leman Russ. That's a simple tank design and there's so, so, so much wrong with it. GW don't care if their aircraft isn't aerodynamic or their tanks aren't designed like real working tanks or their psychic dinosaur space insects would suffocate in space in unsealed spacecraft or their genetically engineered supermen have so many extra organs their sealed ribcage would, again, suffocate them. They make models that look awesome.

A lot of it comes down to self consistency. Ok, Millenium Falcon isn't streamlined and doesn't have wings and blah blah, but so is every other craft in the Star Wars universe. I'm not saying Star Wars is 100% self consistent, but 40k is damn near 100% self inconsistent

Battlestar Galactica had lots of crazy physics issues as well, and it was the time when they'd contradict themselves that would make you "erm, wtf?" more than the times they contradicted modern day physics.

Space ships don't have to worry about aerodynamics tho. In BSG Vipers aren't at all designed for atmospheric flying really and they do mention that. Now, ships in star wars could fly on planets but generally it was about wars that took place in the stars.

Besides loving this flyer I certainly hope the next time they release a futuristic flyer it doesn't have wings utilizing anti matter propulsion and GW laughs while doing so. In the mean time can we gather round our biologists to critique tyranid physiology? Can we please? Lol

"In Before" someone asks if modeling a Wraightknight kneeling is modeling for advantage!

(GW is trying real hard to get me to expand past 4 (5, Skaven) armies)

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I liked the flyer from the upper views, but I really dislike the downswept wings to that degree... something was just bugging me about the sillouette... and then I realized the true inspiration for the flyer, not the mighty phoenix of Eldar legend, but instead the magnificent, the majestic, the incomparable...

Canada Goose.

The Latios (Pokemon) comparison from before is even closer, it matches right down to the winglets behind the head (and the colour scheme oddly enough). But yeah you can tell they have definitely based it on a bird in flight, but I think it is the source of some of the complaints about it looking too small/stubby. The downswept wings mean that the top perspective photos don't really show how long the wings are very well.

WTH is with the prices??? $100 for the limited edition codex? $115 for the Wraithknight? Full codex price for the Iyanden Supplement?

This is redonkulous...

I actually really like all the new stuff. Too bad for GW that they've priced me out of their market, I would have bought all of this a year ago. Same for (most of) the Tau release.

Powerguy wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I liked the flyer from the upper views, but I really dislike the downswept wings to that degree... something was just bugging me about the sillouette... and then I realized the true inspiration for the flyer, not the mighty phoenix of Eldar legend, but instead the magnificent, the majestic, the incomparable...

Canada Goose.

The Latios (Pokemon) comparison from before is even closer, it matches right down to the winglets behind the head (and the colour scheme oddly enough). But yeah you can tell they have definitely based it on a bird in flight, but I think it is the source of some of the complaints about it looking too small/stubby. The downswept wings mean that the top perspective photos don't really show how long the wings are very well.

It's not the span of the wings that are the problem, it's the length of the overall craft. If the wings were shorter, it'd have better proportions but it would look like it has a big "head". Otherwise keep the wings the same span and stretch it out so it's longer.

As for basing it off a bird in flight, I can't think of any birds that fly with anhedral (other than at the end of a stroke).

 Ktulhut wrote:
I actually really like all the new stuff. Too bad for GW that they've priced me out of their market, I would have bought all of this a year ago. Same for (most of) the Tau release.

Snap.

The other pictures of the WK make it look alot beter than the first leak, but if the rumored price is correct that will be about $200, no way that will make the budget.

As much as I like the fliers, even with with the weapon pods, I can't see me stomaching the mark up, to acuataly buy one.

I will just need to hang on till all the impulse buyers start flicking them on ebay, patience is needed.

I'll be eagerly awaiting a third party company's release of a conversion kit for the Wraithknight. Not really a fan of the head design or the bulky chest.

Alternatively, I wonder if the Forgeworld Revenant Titan could be converted as a proxy even though it is three inches taller...

I like the flier and the gigantic walker wraithknight.

Were I to play Eldar, I'd buy them irregardless of their rules and regardless of how many points that they cost. They look fun to paint.

However, I'm neck deep in CSM and Heresy stuff, with 10 different ideas in my head for a 750 point ally list. Eldar can wait for me. Probably forever. But I might get the wraithknight just for modeling and hobbying.

 Mechanicum Jon wrote:
I'll be eagerly awaiting a third party company's release of a conversion kit for the Wraithknight. Not really a fan of the head design or the bulky chest.

Alternatively, I wonder if the Forgeworld Revenant Titan could be converted as a proxy even though it is three inches taller...

When a person starts talking about proxying a titan... you KNOW that model is way out of scale for a standard game of 40k haha - but I do like the way you think.

I think my Warhost just bumped from 55k to 60k with this release O_O

Mime wrote:

 Ktulhut wrote:
I actually really like all the new stuff. Too bad for GW that they've priced me out of their market, I would have bought all of this a year ago. Same for (most of) the Tau release.

Snap.

The other pictures of the WK make it look alot beter than the first leak, but if the rumored price is correct that will be about $200, no way that will make the budget.

As much as I like the fliers, even with with the weapon pods, I can't see me stomaching the mark up, to acuataly buy one.

I will just need to hang on till all the impulse buyers start flicking them on ebay, patience is needed.

Especially at the price we're expected to pay. Glad I got my DE fliers when they were "only" $65.

You know, I'm looking at the Wraithknight, and trying to envision interesting conversion possibilities for it... and damned if it doesn't look like it might be cool to:

-Reverse the legs' jointing
-leave the head and arms off
-mount the weapons in "pods" on the side of the body...

With the result being a little bit like this:

Well, Im just going to throw it out their, GW flyers all look stubby and unstreamlined because GW is size limited by its injection molded machines (I've seen photos/videos of their manufacturing facilities, they're pretty small...). GWs goal with its model design is to make them easy to assemble in as few pieces as possible, and make them robust enough to handle the wear and tear of gaming. Most people don't realize it but (high-performance) aircraft are actually VERY large relative to their payload. An F-22 for instance is about 60ft long (to put it into perspective the average bus is about 45 feet). So, part of the problem is that GW is trying to capture this sleek sexy streamlined form while working within the size limitations of its machinery (which were no doubt purchased with the thought that the largest thing they would be produciing would be a tank, which are considerably smaller than a fighter in terms of total footprint) resulting in this "chibi" effect.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, Im just going to throw it out their, GW flyers all look stubby and unstreamlined because GW is size limited by its injection molded machines (I've seen photos/videos of their manufacturing facilities, they're pretty small...). GWs goal with its model design is to make them easy to assemble in as few pieces as possible, and make them robust enough to handle the wear and tear of gaming. Most people don't realize it but (high-performance) aircraft are actually VERY large relative to their payload. An F-22 for instance is about 60ft long (to put it into perspective the average bus is about 45 feet). So, part of the problem is that GW is trying to capture this sleek sexy streamlined form while working within the size limitations of its machinery (which were no doubt purchased with the thought that the largest thing they would be produciing would be a tank, which are considerably smaller than a fighter in terms of total footprint) resulting in this "chibi" effect.

Don't they outsource production though? Wouldn't they be restricted only by what is out the (disregarding contracts and such).

Not sure on that one, as they have (or had) their own facilities in Memphis and Nottingham... Im also still scratchin my head when it comes to things like the realm of battle, if they have a machine that can handle a 2'x2' square then they should be able to make realistically proportioned flyers of a decent size.

 djones520 wrote:
WTH is with the prices??? $100 for the limited edition codex? $115 for the Wraithknight? Full codex price for the Iyanden Supplement?

This is redonkulous...

Point values in the Limited Edition Codex are 5% lower than the normal one.

These prices are so outrageous. I can't remotely justify this, and it's not even a matter of capability. I simply refuse to pay $115 for a single model. At these prices, I'll sell my massive army and focus on everything else that I have. I like some of the models, and I'm sure the rules will be amazing, but no reasonable person would even consider this. I could max my contribution to my Roth with the money it would take to keep my armies up to date at these prices, or should I say replacing the majority of each army every time (good bye wave serpents, fire prisms, falcons, vypers, etc, etc, etc...) Heaven forbid I actually decide to get into a new army.

GW is pushing harder than ever, and eventually they're going to reach that breaking point for everyone with these prices. This release has done it for me.

JB_Man wrote:
These prices are so outrageous. I can't remotely justify this, and it's not even a matter of capability. I simply refuse to pay $115 for a single model. At these prices, I'll sell my massive army and focus on everything else that I have. I like some of the models, and I'm sure the rules will be amazing, but no reasonable person would even consider this. I could max my contribution to my Roth with the money it would take to keep my armies up to date at these prices, or should I say replacing the majority of each army every time (good bye wave serpents, fire prisms, falcons, vypers, etc, etc, etc...) Heaven forbid I actually decide to get into a new army.

GW is pushing harder than ever, and eventually they're going to reach that breaking point for everyone with these prices. This release has done it for me.

Wait until the price increase. Isn't it due soon?

 BrotherGecko wrote:


The Eldar flyer kind of reminds me a little of the YF-19 from Macross Plus. Which honestly makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy inside. I don't think it would take a lot work to convert the flyer to resemble it even more.

Or buy one and add Eldar weapons



M.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It reminds me of BTech Aerospace fighters, so I guess that’s why I like it.

I found myself thinking the same thing today, went to the Sarna march webpage and found that several old btech designs look similar to the new Eldar flier the Clan Avar comes to mind. GW should send C&D letters to all those nasty free riders ASAP.

M.

Kirby's posting up some White Dwarf info in the comments section of the below link. Phil Kelly confirmed as author.

http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/05/eldar-pictures-rules/#more-6942

Quark wrote:
Kirby's posting up some White Dwarf info in the comments section of the below link. Phil Kelly confirmed as author.

http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/05/eldar-pictures-rules/#more-6942

Our Savior!

I'm to the point on the prices where I just accept them, buy what I want to make and don't give two rats anuses for competitiveness.

Hooray for being an upper middle class person.

Perhaps I should be ashamed for fueling the machine but I just put in my preorder, including the Wraithknight. Thankfully it was with a 20% discount.

Based off past releases, what site generally has the best preorder discounts in the US?

I may end up getting some of theplastic Wraithguard to add to the four metal ones I have, but that's about it.

 puma713 wrote:

JB_Man wrote:
These prices are so outrageous. I can't remotely justify this, and it's not even a matter of capability. I simply refuse to pay $115 for a single model. At these prices, I'll sell my massive army and focus on everything else that I have. I like some of the models, and I'm sure the rules will be amazing, but no reasonable person would even consider this. I could max my contribution to my Roth with the money it would take to keep my armies up to date at these prices, or should I say replacing the majority of each army every time (good bye wave serpents, fire prisms, falcons, vypers, etc, etc, etc...) Heaven forbid I actually decide to get into a new army.

GW is pushing harder than ever, and eventually they're going to reach that breaking point for everyone with these prices. This release has done it for me.

Wait until the price increase. Isn't it due soon?

Usually beginning of June. They will probably try to sneak it past us. Of course the whole Dire Avenger situation is ridiculous and probably part of it. /sigh

sooooo phil kelly writing the codex is a good sign? (new player)