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Ok, so yesterday, I was at my local GW brainwashing center. I was having a nice chat with a fellow who had started an Empire army after 2 years of Wood Elves. A little while later, me, a friend, the Empire Player and A Dark Elf player decided to play a game of 2 on 2, Empire and High Elves vs. 2 Dark Elves.

Now, I was enjoying the game, but throughout the game the other Dark Elf player got in a fight with my friend, the High Elf Player (Ironic, right?) Unfortunately, this ruined the game for me and the Empire player. Both the DE and HE player were both immature, about 13-11 years old. The HE player was fighting a losing battle unfortunately, and eventually reduced to insulting the DE player, whilst the DE player kept arguing with the HE player over rules. Eventually, me and the Empire player quit. Afterwards, the HE player continued to insult the DE player, making fun of his painting and his army in general. Both the DE and HE player were obsessed with winning and were complete jerks.

Has anything like this happened to you? What did you do?

I haven't played enough 40k for stuff like this to happen, but at a Magic the Gathering tournament years ago I was about to win at the beginning of my next turn cause my one creature was stronger by two strength than his last one. I would have killed him, but on his turn, right before he gave up some random guy walked by and reminded the other player that he could use X amount of energy to increase his creatures strength by X/X. He had a lot of energy left. He used this and killed me.

Random guy FTW

It was a legitimate win, but I always thought it was an unwritten rule that observers do not provide help to either side in tournament play. Friendly matches, sure, but when there are prizes at stake?!

How dare they.

Sorry, I guess I'm still bitter lol

unclehomefries wrote:I haven't played enough 40k for stuff like this to happen, but at a Magic the Gathering tournament years ago I was about to win at the beginning of my next turn cause my one creature was stronger by two strength than his last one. I would have killed him, but on his turn, right before he gave up some random guy walked by and reminded the other player that he could use X amount of energy to increase his creatures strength by X/X. He had a lot of energy left. He used this and killed me.

Random guy FTW

It was a legitimate win, but I always thought it was an unwritten rule that observers do not provide help to either side in tournament play. Friendly matches, sure, but when there are prizes at stake?!

How dare they.

Sorry, I guess I'm still bitter lol

I agree with you, that's fethed up...

I've never really had any akward moments since as soon as I realize my opponent in an immature kid (either that or one in an adult's body) I'll just quit, pack up and find another opponent or leave...

It's odd, this happens at both casual warhammer and magic the gathering tournaments, and doesn't happen at both warhammer tournaments and magic the gathering casual.

So I tend to play warhammer tournaments and magic the gathering casual.

Cryonicleech wrote:

Has anything like this happened to you? What did you do?

Nothing like this has ever happened to me because I do not play 11-13 year-olds.

Same here.
Last time I played an 11-13 year old it ended in tears.


Grown-up man tears, but still...

All he knew about 40k he learned from DoW. Kept cheating with movement (even after I repeatedly told him - and showed him the pages) and shooting - never knew a boltgun was assault 3 with rending.

Now I just don't play against people under 16. We're a games club, not a creche.

Shouldn't they have kicked those kids out of the store if they'd devolved to hurling insults at each other?

I got irked a while back when we were playing a game with some house rules. It was 1500 My opponent basically put all his points into Calgar, a Captain, a Chaplain (Wait, what?) and a squad of ten terminators. The rest of his army was admittedly tooled up Tactical Squads and I think a devastator squad.

There was a rule which allowed each of us to take control of an enemy unit for a turn. Before the game he tried convincing the guy at the store that Calgar was immunune to the take command rulem but this was denied. In the shooting phase he grabbed my Vindicator, used it to blast me and then turned it around so it's rear armour could get it hit and killed...and it was. Fair enough, although I did point out that usually you can't fire and then move but since it could have fired at the squad it did if it had moved first I let him off.

I start my go. I notice he has three HQ's and ask if one of the models is a stand in. He tells me no. I basically go what? But I say, 'What the hell, it's just for fun right? let's keeo going.' I get to my shooting phase and suddenly hear, 'Oh, you know you can only use that special rule if you announce it at the start, right?'

...wait, so let me get this straight. I allow you to use an extra HQ. I don't mind you not only doing the same thing, but moving the vehicle afterwards, in the shooting phase, so you can have a better shot at it because. And suddenly strick adherence to the rules are what matters, right?

Oi. I was so tempted to end my go there and then announce, at the start of his turn, that I was taking control of Calgar since the rules mentioned nothing about which player's turn and I suspect the guy running the show would have supported me, but eh. I just quit. Did not wanna play wit someone who was clearly so obsessed with winning. So I muttered about my plan not working anymore and packed up.

My temper was fairly short though...early that day I'd played a 300 pts game against a Tyranid player and without number, who insisted his Warrior squad HQ could lead three different sqauds each but you had to kill them all to earn any kill points. Because it works like that for Guard.

And at this point I resolved never to play 40k on days when there were anyone under the age of 16 playing. Although in fairness there was a couple of really nice little guys there, and one kid had a Guard army that puts mine to shame in terms of painting. So the day wasn't a whole loss.

My worst moment was when my friend(well my sort of friend he is a little b... well I won't say in good company)he and I squared off against his buddies Nids(the nids way out numbered us)and after turn one he left leaving me with the tactical squad from the assualt on maccrage and nothing more.I held up for three turns until the other guy started claiming that his nids had the power to come alive again after a certain amount of turns(I dont know if they can I have never played nids myself)but he was using the rules from the necron codex,and it degenrated into a shouting match with my friend whom had left the room after turn one charging in and shouting that the nid player was right.I then quit the game,the rest of the afternoon I was tormented by the other two guys for being a whimp,until I socked one of them in the stomach with a TV remote,aaah violence is there anything you can't do?

Aaah. Kids!

Wouldn't the world be a better place if we just exterminated them all now?

It would save a lot of pain in the long run!

Don't get mad at kids ;(! I'm about 13 and I am pretty mature when it comes to games. I don't mind losing, in other words I don't cry. I play hard to the end. I play in tournaments and get full sportsmenship points, (not that that matters.)

karlfranz wrote:Don't get mad at kids ;(! I'm about 13 and I am pretty mature when it comes to games. I don't mind losing, in other words I don't cry. I play hard to the end. I play in tournaments and get full sportsmenship points, (not that that matters.)

Yup I agree. I too am 13 and if anything like what you guys said happened to me (like if I was in the shoes of the DE or HE players) Then I would either just ignore the insults and ask him to please stop or I would just leave. Who wants to play against someone who has to sportsmanship right?

Numbers of years survived have got very little to do with what age you act. I know people who have lived twice my years and still act like they were in kindergarten, and I know people who have lived less than half my years and are way more mature in most ways. When people throw poop at "kids" I like to think they mean people who act like immature idiots, rather than people who has not survived many years yet.

I was playing a game with a friend at the warhams store. Then a girl walked in.

karlfranz wrote:Don't get mad at kids ;(! I'm about 13 and I am pretty mature when it comes to games. I don't mind losing, in other words I don't cry. I play hard to the end. I play in tournaments and get full sportsmenship points, (not that that matters.)

Come play here, sports is usually a big chunk of your tourney results. We value a good sport player more than a cheesehead (and I'm not just making a derogatory remark about Dutch people). We had a guy with 62 battle points (out of 75) finish 24th (overall) due to his poor sportsmanship. He was a teen, though.
A recent tourney here, I placed 23 or 24th on battle points (game results). Sports and other soft scores raised my overall to 12th.

I admit, there are a few teens I'll play against. There are many I won't though. Partially it's the age thing (I'm 40). Mostly it's the rampant cheating or pure bad sportsmanship (throwing dice across room when losing - bad if they're yours. Worse if they're mine.).

Mellon wrote:Numbers of years survived have got very little to do with what age you act. I know people who have lived twice my years and still act like they were in kindergarten, and I know people who have lived less than half my years and are way more mature in most ways. When people throw poop at "kids" I like to think they mean people who act like immature idiots, rather than people who has not survived many years yet.

QFT. I've played supposedly grown men who acted more like 5 year old children than my neighbor's five year olds. I'll play against some teens any day of the week over a rules lawyering, movement cheating, "stretchy ruler when it's your turn to assault and short ruler on my assaults" kind of old folk.

I was about 17 when I was playing a game against a chaos guy sporting nurgle. He was dominating my IG. I tried to keep my rules in check, but at one point I moved my leman russ, fired the battlecannon and rolled only one dice for scatter. I got a direct hit so I didn't think it mattered, but apparantly it did. The guy kept telling me that I was cheating and that I needed to reroll two dice and my scatter. I kept saying that it landed dead on anyways so why should it matter, but he kept calling me a cheater and telling me to reroll. I eventually rerolled and it scattered off, killing only one of his plague marines. He laughed and said "See, that's how it should've been", I was mad and kindly said "Screw you, you're an @$$ and I don't want to play anymore with you." He called me several words and told me that I was mad because I was cheating.

Kids who stop paying attention when they're losing, or at least can't see how to win. They get all fidgety and you have to get their attention for them to make armour saves.

I got a lot of awkward moments back when I used to play in my local GW, games would be set up, and you would never know if you were going to get someone with intense irrational girl fear, or a whiney little preteen.

In fairness the worst for both where older lads from 18+ to about 25, as was said above, it is shocking how immature a 20 year old can be in the middle of a toy soldier game.

at the last tourney i was in, 2v2, the other team were blatently cheating most of the time, and using subtle cheats on just about every roll.

claiming we didnt have LOS when it was more than clear that we did, forgetting about wounds delt to his demon princes. measuring from the front, moving to the back, using terrain that is generally considered impassable at that FLGS as just "ruins" because it was not declared at the beginning of the game (to be fair, that was our fault, but a boarded up building with bars over the windows... just because the bars fell off one window does not mean you can move into the building) rolling where we cant see it for the entire game, using specific "lucky dice" for each type of roll. showing up with custom made "lucky dice" for said rolls.

rolling the invul saves from fateweaver in twos insted of all at once (had 10 wounds, rolled 10 sets of 2 dice insted of 10, then reroll failed saves, it might seem mathmatically identical, but its not, he gets to roll more dice... out of 10, 5 fail, reroll those and 2 fail. or roll 10x2 and fail none. try it for yourself)

complaining that because we put an objective on the 3rd story of a ruin but did not declare it as off of ground level and actually where we put it, that they should be able to capture from the ground level... wtfsauce.

well. Ive given out enough details that if they happen to read this thread (im pretty sure they are somewhere on this website) they will know who I am.

*EDIT* one of them was in his mid 20s, the other at least in his 40s. Ive never seen people so obsessed with winning at a game of toy dollies. Their "Crew" should be ashamed.

Cryonicleech wrote:Ok, so yesterday, I was at my local GW brainwashing center. I was having a nice chat with a fellow who had started an Empire army after 2 years of Wood Elves. A little while later, me, a friend, the Empire Player and A Dark Elf player decided to play a game of 2 on 2, Empire and High Elves vs. 2 Dark Elves.

Now, I was enjoying the game, but throughout the game the other Dark Elf player got in a fight with my friend, the High Elf Player (Ironic, right?) Unfortunately, this ruined the game for me and the Empire player. Both the DE and HE player were both immature, about 13-11 years old. The HE player was fighting a losing battle unfortunately, and eventually reduced to insulting the DE player, whilst the DE player kept arguing with the HE player over rules. Eventually, me and the Empire player quit. Afterwards, the HE player continued to insult the DE player, making fun of his painting and his army in general. Both the DE and HE player were obsessed with winning and were complete jerks.

Has anything like this happened to you? What did you do?

Did the staff pull those two aside and tell them to straighten up or go home? that's what I did with the people who insisted that arguing over the rules and name calling was more important than playing. I even had a list of phone numbers to call parents if their kids were acting up..

so, that's what I'd do.

Osbad wrote:Aaah. Kids!

Wouldn't the world be a better place if we just exterminated them all now?

It would save a lot of pain in the long run!

Yeah it's a good thing your Elders didn't think the same thing when you were a kid no????@!!!!!!

stonefox wrote:I was playing a game with a friend at the warhams store. Then a girl walked in.

No they didn't.. Girls never walked into Springfield GW, they always went to the Hot Topic across the hallway and all you mooks would drool over the table. I swear each week we had to buy 100 spit cups to contain the saliva from you knuckle draggers.. LOL

"Try not to get too happy" is what I say just seconds before I dive under the table to retrieve
a lost pair...of dice.

Hmm... played plenty of "kids" (Big and little) and have enjoyed some and hated some.

My most akward gaming moment was at the Chicago GT in 2005. It was my first big tourney and I had fun (whilst getting it handed to me for 2 days!).

At one point I was playing a guy and had to take an "All on his own" check. Now, at my FLGS we have a running gag that we sing a bit of "All By Myself" when rolling for this. It's just kinda habit....halfway through my solo I realize I'm in a room of 200 or so gamers I don't know, singing forlorn 80s love songs to my opponent (loudly!)!

Ahh... women and children at the FLGS.


My views on these 2 subjects:

Children: My mother ran an in-home day care when I was growing up. I Reserve the right to ignore, and barring a similar response from the children, punt those little fethers if their under the age of 12. I don't mind if other adults bring their kids, but it's not MY job to babysit them. If you're brave enough to bring your kid to a den full of gamers that are rather attached to their models, then you're brave enough to let your child run the risk of getting stepped on or yelled at. Much time and money are spent working on our armies, and of all the parents on this planet, that particular set should know better.

Unless they're learning the game, just keep them at home.


Women: Women are like Voltron. The more you hook up and have around... well, you get the idea. As far as women walking into the FLGS that I frequent, it's just a smile and nod of acknowledgment, or saying hey to someone else's girlfriend. If they want to learn, they'll ask, and I've got no reason to walk over and say hey if i'm in the midst of a game and she's going back into one of the smaller side rooms to play Magic: The Gathering or D&D.

Besides, if your FLGS has a few of these around as regulars, you'll notice that the occurance of unwashed gamer stink magically disappears after a while.

Hmmm...

Championship game for all the marbles in the local 40K League. I'm playing against the owner's son, really nice guy. He was playing orks, I was also playing orks. His was mainly a horde army, mine was a mix of different stuff, including three pie dealing artillery pieces. (looted wagon, killa kannon, shock attack gun).

I totally forget my templates at home, and suggest we just measure it out, at 3". Well..... it turns out that some point between RT and 5th edition the large template went from 3" to 2.5". We find this out after I've managed to flatten 40 to 50 of his boyz with pie......

"Um, do you want to put some guys back?"
"Nah, we're cool."

Still.......

You guys think you have it bad? Do I have a story for you!

I used to run my local Independant Stores club on the weekend. It was a pretty nice club, we normaly had younger guys in (13-16) but I didnt really mind because with the exception of 1, they were all mature, intelligent and really into the hobby (one guys Necrons were just amazing, like "Best Painted Army" standard, and another guy had Orks who were mind boggling good when you factored in he had been playing 4 weeks) and we had a Load of fun.

Then the Club owner had to ruin it ;(

40 years old, has been playing 40k for less than a year, and OH MY GOD-EMPEROR he never stopped whining. Every time I made a Rules Call (as I had about 10 times more 40k Experience than Him, the only guy with more than me in the club was a 2nd ed Vet who had just come back to the game), he would challenge me, telling me "That's not how I thought it worked" or twisting the Language to suit him then trying to force the other guy to play exactly to the rules.

Of course it all came to a head during an Apocalypse game of all things, where he started to get really bossy with the kids who had brought their Orks for the game, and I asked him to just lighten up a bit, its an Apoc game ffs. He goes mad and bans me from the club...

So yeah, if you have problems with kids acting like kids, be glad you don't have 40 year old club owners acting like 12 year olds

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Hmm... played plenty of "kids" (Big and little) and have enjoyed some and hated some.

My most akward gaming moment was at the Chicago GT in 2005. It was my first big tourney and I had fun (whilst getting it handed to me for 2 days!).

At one point I was playing a guy and had to take an "All on his own" check. Now, at my FLGS we have a running gag that we sing a bit of "All By Myself" when rolling for this. It's just kinda habit....halfway through my solo I realize I'm in a room of 200 or so gamers I don't know, singing forlorn 80s love songs to my opponent (loudly!)!

lol Thats harsh. I usually play my older brother, and we like to get a little EXTREME!!!!!! with just random stuff. So Being used to that I was playing with a different group a couple years ago, and I shot up a CSM squad with a regular tactical squad and after I rolled a bunch of hits shouted "YEA TAKE THAT BITCHES! BOLTER FIRE YEEEEEEEAAAAA!" And apparently they are that quiet library type so I gopt that stare from 10 or so people lol. Awkward moment in the basement

There is one guy at my club who I really dislike playing against, he has an aggressive personality. He will make "subtle" comments about my painting, with to others stuff like "wow your army is really well done, not like this kinda of stuff" *gestures at my army* .

I try to not play him cause he's a dick in game too, but sometimes hes the only one or our paths cross in a campaign. Takes his time thinking about his turns, and tell me to hurry up. If I question him about cover or any other rule, he acts like I'm the biggest ass because it's "just for fun", yet hes the biggest rules lawyer in the club. In general if I play hi m the game isn't enjoyable and certainly awkward.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Hmm... played plenty of "kids" (Big and little) and have enjoyed some and hated some.

My most akward gaming moment was at the Chicago GT in 2005. It was my first big tourney and I had fun (whilst getting it handed to me for 2 days!).

At one point I was playing a guy and had to take an "All on his own" check. Now, at my FLGS we have a running gag that we sing a bit of "All By Myself" when rolling for this. It's just kinda habit....halfway through my solo I realize I'm in a room of 200 or so gamers I don't know, singing forlorn 80s love songs to my opponent (loudly!)!

You, sir, should have gotten a free 2+ invuln save from sheer awesome. That sounds like something I do in public places for kicks (oh, the reactions. Good stuff.) but I digress. I haven't been playing long enough to have any real awkward gaming moments myself, but I got into a game against a kid who used profanity where most of us folk use punctuation, and it turned out he had a barely rudimentary grasp of the rules and was more interested in being bombastic than playing properly, as long as he was killing my Wolves. When one of the more experienced players came to see how I was doing (it being my third game) within about 35 seconds he was telling the kid he had been interpreting several rules wrongly and we had to put the game on hold while they argued it out. (It turned out that his questionable shooting moves and drop pod deployment didn't help him much when my remaining Woofs hit his gunline...he was well on his way to being tabled when he had to pack up due to parental pick-up. Hee.)