Switch Theme:

Delegates shocked just shocked at Iran President  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/world/21geneva.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

Delegates Walk Out of Racism Conference Over Speech
Denis Balibouse/Reuters
Delegates walked out of the assembly room as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran spoke during a conference on racism in Geneva on Monday.

GENEVA — A stream of delegates from France and other European nations walked out of a United Nations conference here on Monday in protest during a speech by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who criticized the formation of a “racist government” in the Middle East in a clear reference to Israel.


The seats of the Israeli delegation (below center) Italian delegation (far right) and US delegation (middle left) remained empty at the opening of the U.N. conference on racism on Monday.
Sharpening the dispute over the Iranian presence, Israel also temporarily recalled its ambassador to Switzerland for “consultations” on Monday to protest the conference and a meeting held Sunday between the Swiss president, Hans-Rudolf Merz, and Mr. Ahmadinejad.

As Mr. Ahmadinejad took the podium here, two protesters, wearing colored wigs and shouting “Racist!” attempted to disrupt the beginning of his speech but were quickly hauled out by security officers, and he continued speaking.

Mr. Ahmadinejad began his remarks by saying the formation of the state of Israel left “an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering,” in order to “establish a totally racist government in occupied Palestine.”

By creating the state of Israel in the wake of the Second World War, he continued, Europe and the United States “helped bring to power the most cruel, repressive and racist regime in Palestine.”

Amid loud cheers from the audience — which appeared largely to be in support of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s comments — delegates from all 23 European Union nations stood up and filed out of the room.

The conference, the first United Nations conference in eight years to address the issue of racism, was already being boycotted by Israel, the United States and several important allies.

The delegates reentered the meeting hall after Mr. Ahmadinejad finished his 30-minute address to continue working on the conference’s stated goal: a statement that condemns racism worldwide and identifies it as something that all governments should address.

Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary general, strongly criticized Mr. Ahmadinejad’s remarks.

“I deplore the use of this platform by the Iranian president to accuse, divide and even incite, Mr. Ki-moon said. “This is the opposite of what this conference seeks to achieve. We must all turn away from such a message in both form and substance.”

Israeli leaders had reacted with deep dismay to news that Mr. Ahmadinejad, who has called the Holocaust a myth and advocated the destruction of the Jewish state, would speak at the conference.

In remarks at a cabinet meeting on Monday, on the eve of Yom Hashoah, the annual Holocaust Remembrance Day, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said: “Six million of our brethren were massacred during the Holocaust. Sadly, not everyone learned the lesson.”

“While we gather to honor their memory, in Switzerland there will assemble a conference allegedly aimed against racism,” he said. “Its guest of honor is a racist Holocaust-denier who does not hide his intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.”

Referring to Mr. Ahmadinejad’s role at the conference, Mr. Peres said Monday: “There must be a limit, even to the neutrality of Switzerland. Today is the day? This is the man to speak? This is the outlook for the future?”

The walkout was a flashback to the initial world summit meeting against racism in 2001 in Durban, South Africa, which critics said served as a platform to bash Israel. The United States and Israel pulled out of that conference, and this year, objected to a paragraph in the draft declaration that reaffirmed the findings of the Durbin meeting. That section, along with a reference to incitement that Washington said might infringe on free speech, prompted the United States to announce its boycott with “regret” over the weekend.

Canada and Israel had already said they would not attend, and others who joined the boycott included the Netherlands, Italy and Australia.

The boycott decision was greeted with elation by American organizations supporting Israel, which had been protesting for months, but dismayed some rights organizations and African-American groups who accused the administration of skipping a historic opportunity to right past wrongs.

Mr. Obama said Sunday that he “would love” to participate in a conference that addressed racism and discrimination, but not one with the baggage of the previous gathering.

“Unfortunately, even though I think other countries made great efforts to accommodate some of our concerns and assured us that this conference would be more constructive, our participation would have involved putting our imprimatur on something that we just don’t believe,” Mr. Obama said.

While other governments who pulled out echoed Mr. Obama’s remarks, saying that the conference was being misused by some countries to single out Israel, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay, said the boycotting countries had allowed Middle East politics to intrude into a conference on discrimination.

“I am shocked and deeply disappointed by the United States’ decision not to attend,” Ms. Pillay said in a statement. “A handful of states have permitted one or two issues to dominate their approach to this issue, allowing them to outweigh the concerns of numerous groups of people that suffer racism and similar forms of intolerance.”

Human rights groups said countries that boycott the conference were losing the chance to set the record straight on racism. “These governments are ceding the floor to more radical voices,” said Juliette de Rivero, the Geneva advocacy director at Human Rights Watch.

Nick Cumming-Bruce reported from Geneva, and Isabel Kershner from Jerusalem. Neil MacFarquhar and Sharon Otterman contributed reporting from New York.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in us
!!Goffik Rocker!!





(THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK)

I'm not entirely sure what a conference like this was meant to ever accomplish. It's just a podium for racist grandstanding under the guise of righteousness.

----------------

Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

Yes, I can see exacly why Iran should have nuclear weapons.
   
Made in us
!!Goffik Rocker!!





(THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK)

As opposed to russia, which attacked a nation for fun last year. Or india, which has been on the verge of nuclear crisis twice.

----------------

Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad 
   
Made in gb
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

Italian delegation (far right)


.... is it the 1930s again ?

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

Hey, Russia already had those nukes when we stopped and tried to stop others from making them, India... well India shouldn't have them either so nyah!
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

In that case, Italy shouldn't have one either because we never know if the pope will go off of his rocker.
   
Made in gb
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury

He hasn't already ?

Italy aren't AFAIK a nuclear power. I've even more certain the Vatican isn't.

..... hmm.... actually... ...

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

How do you think the templars were killed, it sure wasn't divine justice. It was a divine nuke. The pope just counted to three, not two, not four, and five is just out of the question.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/04/20 19:31:13


 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





When JFK, who was Catholic, ran for President in 1960, he was constantly bombared with variations of:

"If the Pope told you to nuke Russia would you?"

After he'd answer no, it would shift to:

"If the Pope told you to nuke East Germany, would you?"

etc.

In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer 
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






ShumaGorath wrote:As opposed to russia, which attacked a nation for fun last year. Or india, which has been on the verge of nuclear crisis twice.


Actually, Russia was doing what the US would have done in that situation, if you look into things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war

Like all wars, exactly who the bad guy was is open to question, but Georgia very much started the conflict by attacking South Ossetia. Russia simply back up it's ally and pushed back hard.


Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas

dietrich wrote:

"If the Pope told you to nuke East Germany, would you?"

etc.


Let me think about that one...oohh jelly donut!

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

Oh yeah, I totally agree with MDG on that. Georgia was in the wrong and started violent actions first. Its like what would happen if Maine tried to join Canada and the United States invaded Maine. Well, something like that.


EDIT: Ein Berliner!!

That's why JFK was shot, he wouldn't listen to the vatican. Any good catholic would do EVERYTHING the pope tells them to do.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/04/20 19:56:56


 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Like all wars, exactly who the bad guy was is open to question,

History is written by the victors.

Might makes right! Right makes might!

And I'm guessing that delegates walking out on Iran's president made him a hero at home. All the secular dogs limped away, afraid of him, and unwilling to challenge him - because they know he's right!

In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

Well, he is entertaining to watch. He's just so full of himself. He does have the same haircut as Bush the younger methinks.
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Though Israel is something of an oppressive regime if you happen to be Palestinian, so somewhere in those 30 minutes would have been a few valid points.

And I think it was extremely rude of the various delegates not to attend. Everyones opinions deserve to be heard, regardless of whether or not you have already decided to agree or not.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

Yeah, my family is friendly towards a palestinian family(we exchange gifts every once in a while), but Israel is surrounded by people who want them dead so I think its a mixed bag over there.
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Well, if I was surrounded by people objecting to my very existence, I think I'd try very hard not to be a bastard at all, rather than a bully boy who throws his weight around against largely innocent people.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
Made in us
!!Goffik Rocker!!





(THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK)

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And I think it was extremely rude of the various delegates not to attend. Everyones opinions deserve to be heard, regardless of whether or not you have already decided to agree or not.


The loud cacophony of idiotic ignorance is best left to its own devices, and doesn't need a platform. Not everyones voice is worth hearing, why does everyone deserve to be heard?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/04/20 20:53:40


----------------

Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

MDG,
Don't know, if their enemies think that they are weak, they may attack while no one wants to push the bully's buttons.

Shuma,
Is that why no one talks to me anymore?
   
Made in us
!!Goffik Rocker!!





(THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK)


Is that why no one talks to me anymore?


Is there any way I can answer this that isn't flaming?

----------------

Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad 
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






ShumaGorath wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And I think it was extremely rude of the various delegates not to attend. Everyones opinions deserve to be heard, regardless of whether or not you have already decided to agree or not.


The loud cacophony of idiotic ignorance is best left to its own devices, and doesn't need a platform. Not everyones voice is worth hearing, why does everyone deserve to be heard?


Because ignoring him adds credence to his words. It's easy to twist the rather childish non-attendance of not being able to handle the truth etc. And because whether we like it or not, he is a Leader of a Country. His voice has to be heard, and then criticised if need be and denounced. Just don't ignore him.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
Made in us
!!Goffik Rocker!!





(THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK)

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And I think it was extremely rude of the various delegates not to attend. Everyones opinions deserve to be heard, regardless of whether or not you have already decided to agree or not.


The loud cacophony of idiotic ignorance is best left to its own devices, and doesn't need a platform. Not everyones voice is worth hearing, why does everyone deserve to be heard?


Because ignoring him adds credence to his words. It's easy to twist the rather childish non-attendance of not being able to handle the truth etc. And because whether we like it or not, he is a Leader of a Country. His voice has to be heard, and then criticised if need be and denounced. Just don't ignore him.


How does ignoring him give him credit? In what world does a captive audience have the effect of taking the power away from a nutcase? I think you have that pretty damn backwards. As for criticism, he's been criticized openly every day since he took office. He doesn't care about the world communities opinion. He plays for the seats at home, no one else.

----------------

Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad 
   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Everyones opinions deserve to be heard, regardless of whether or not you have already decided to agree or not.


Thats just stupid.
His opinion, the opinion of Joseph Stalin, Mengele, and anyone who's ever been on Jerry Springer do not deserve to be heard in any sort of respectful manner.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Is that why no one talks to me anymore?


Is there any way I can answer this that isn't flaming?


No, you are stuck my friend.


Although Ahdmenijaisurdaddy could simply say that the "foreign devils" were repelled by his holy and pure word. It could work.
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Exactly. And not one of the people he claims to be a bunch of bastards so much as gave him the time of day.

Way to work against his propaganda.

Had people walked out on a British or US delegate, we'd never hear the end of it.

Sit. Listen. Refute. Simples.

Frazz, I didn't say the various delegates had to respect his views, but they still deserve to be heard, regardless.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/04/20 21:12:17


Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas

Er. no. You refute that with a pie to the face. You refute that by clandestinely giving his opponents billions of $. You refute it by NOT giving him air time.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

Or a shoe, that's a big thing over there apparantly.
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Respectfully I think it's time to agree to disagree and let the thread continue it's natural course.

We're in the odd position off opposing views, where neither side has to justify them beyond what has already been said.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
Made in us
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair





In your base, ignoring your logic.

The natural course is awfully painful though, may I suggest euthanasia for this thread?
   
 
Forum Index » Off-Topic Forum
Go to: